MGTOW Will Not Change the Current Paradigm

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I’ve ghosted from all forms of social media yet am still a contributing member of society via taxes and have no problem communicating with people around me.

Ive never been a member of facebook, Twitter, or any other social media. That is NOT what I was refferring to by members on here posting about “ghosting”.

There are guys on this site who LITERALLY talk about moving out into the sticks, being entirely alone, and only going into “society” if and when its necessary to get groceries, etc.

Who on here HONESTLY thinks that is a healthy attitude? Thats NUTS!

……………..

Dont like the status quo?. SPEAK OUT!

Your voice counts!

Dont like dealing with women?

Hang out with other dudes, in SOCIETY!

…………,.,..,

“Ghosting” in THAT respect is fruitless, unhealthy, and the only CHANGE it causes is SELF harm.

 

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

You can knock yourself out changing society and its s~~~-sucking paradigm – I’ll happily divorce myself from it

Evil prevails when good men fail to act.

Do you SERIOUSLY have no friends in real life who share what we express to one another on here?

I have several who I can say ANYTHING I would in real life that I would on here.

“GHOSTING”….since when are men GHOSTS? Maybe you cant speak your mind at work, but if your at your local watering hole, or anywhere else, why cant you speak your mind?

Im not a GHOST, and I wont be. I will speak my mind in PUBLIC and wont be ashamed.

I dont think some of you get it:

I am NOT putting you down. On the contrary, what you dont realize is that we are a SILENT MAJORITY. The truth has a subtle way about itself: once you speak it outloud, others are free.

Im not saying any of you are wrong, NO- Im saying dont be ashamed of speaking your mind. Of course, in the work place I wouldnt encourage this, but outside of that, ABSOLUTELY.

DONT “GHOST”. Step out. Speak up. And do what weve always done, which is CHANGE things by speaking the truth.

F~~~ becoming a silent shadow in society via “ghosting”.

Resident cynic.

[MOWsince95Participant 1446]

To what ends, AW?

To speak up, you have to make 2 leaps of faith.  (1) that anyone gives a s~~~ what you think, and (2) that it matters and is worth the effort.  You may have your opinion about this, but mine is (1) they don’t, and (2) it won’t/isn’t.

As for (my few) friends, they are all a bunch of mangina whores who bitch endlessly about their domineering ugly fat-assed wives (who were all attractive when they married) and they all know what I believe and think I’m nuts for not wanting the unhappiness of marital bliss that they stuck themselves with, and then they wonder how come I have money and get s~~~ done.  Such cowering men are just as much to blame for why I want very little to do with society as female nature and the judicial/political system, but either way, I don’t give a s~~~ anymore.  I’ll do my own thing and keep an eye for anyone shouting at any watering hole.

If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Honestly, I don’t give a rats ass about whether or not my personal actions nor the actions of anyone else going his own way, change the paradigm or not. I rather think I have earned the right to do as I please regarding socializing/participating with “the world”. My personal check list that merits my earned rights include.

1. completing my basic education – yes

2. employed and paying taxes continually since i was 16 – yes

3. served my nation as a professional soldier (25 years- retired due to injuries) – yes

4. married – yes x2

5 .divorced- yes x2

6. procreated – yes x1

7. royally raped financially – yes x3

8. continue to be employed and participate in this farce – yes

9. continue to upgrade my education while employed full time- yes

10. continue learning new survival skill/techniques in this toxic wasteland – yes

That is just my starter list.

If I want to be alone, unmarried, childless, or any other set condition of living. Who the f~~~ has any legal, moral, or ethical right to demand that I participate in any level of inter personal relationship with individuals or the world on any level.

Well off to work to earn money, and pay more taxes so more parasites can continue to exist

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

@mowsince95,

I suppose were all in different places: physically, geographically, and age wise.

Im not sure how it is for the rest of you, but my closest friends completely agree with anything “red pill”. Perhaps I took that for granted in my original post. I can appreciate that, and my apologies.

I do have family members that ask about me getting married etc, and that is very annoying. So, I can entirely understand what its like if noone around you resonates with these ideas.

My initial point, which still stands, is I dont believe this idea of “ghosting” out of society is healthy for any man, and I believe expressing yourself is healthier for a man and society at large.

I live in a major downtown city though; so perhaps its different for some of you if you live in more rural areas that hold to more traditional views.. Although, I would assume that would play out in the opposite, because if they were traditional, they would be less likely to sympathize with sluttery.

These are my thoughts. I think every guy here should speak his mind and never GHOST.

Men arent ghosts.

 

 

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

If I want to be alone, unmarried, childless, or any other set condition of living. Who the f~~~ has any legal, moral, or ethical right to demand that I participate in any level of inter personal relationship with individuals or the world on any level.

You are mistaking me. Im not saying you have some OBLIGATION to do anything. Rather, Im saying you have the RIGHT to have a VOICE to express whatever YOU believe is right for YOU.

As opposed to “ghosting” off in silence…

Get it?

 

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

“Society doesnt care about me, so Im going to GHOST society”

-.who do you think will notice, what do you think it will change?

Its tantamount to saying – “Noone cares about me, so Im going to KILL MYSELF”.

Wont change a damn thing. And why live in isolation, in a REACTIONARY method to the world, rather than PROACTIVE.

 

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 42]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

There are guys on this site who LITERALLY talk about moving out into the sticks, being entirely alone, and only going into “society” if and when its necessary to get groceries, etc. Who on here HONESTLY thinks that is a healthy attitude? Thats NUTS!

10 years in the mountains living with no neighbors within 3/4 miles, via way down the mountain through the forest, started with raw land, now it’s a home at the end of the power line in the middle of nowhere.

Until you live with the animals, wake up to the animals, be threatened by the animals, have more animals around you than people, you can’t possibly know a “healthy attitude” from a hole in the wall! My time in the forest was/is when I feel most ALIVE! Society is the one that’s unhealthy, mentally ill, and spiritually DEAD. A god damn cesspool! Just ask any animal!

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Ghosting is not a feminine concept.  The most brilliant men in history have often opted away from society to clear their mind from the social clutter then reemerge as enlightened men. They don’t do it make anyone miss them or watch society collapse. There are too many people in the works for that to happen.

@ancientwisdom you contradict yourself a little by saying g MGTOW won’t make a difference in society yet you still encourage men to speak out proclaim their voice. If our philosophy won’t change the world what would motivate us or anyone with similar feeling to want to speak out? Being manly or masculine is not motivation to let put voice be heard. Some of us are content with living in our own space and not having to bother people or have them bother us. It’s peaceful.

 

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Society isnt going to collapse over MGTOW. It might collapse because of the immoral society we live in, but it wont be because men collectively decided NOT to be with women.

pretty much, we are reacting to what’s happening ANYWAY, like it or not.

Anyway, good read.

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Several things off the original post:

* The idea of opinions stuck in my mind.  I believe, as society advances, and becomes more artificial and able to correspond to the will and whims of people (particularly with money) the more subjective and based on opinions it will have.  It is going to be impossible to argue for anything, or even debate anyone from objective reality, because it is increasingly preferences.  One can end up say laws of economics, or try to be an objectivist, but I find such is folly.  You aren’t going to get anywhere debating with SJWs, for example, because they have subjective preferences they want, which are impossible to argue for.

* Your ability to impact the world personally is next to zero.  Maybe you can impact some people, and if very profound, get somewhat of a following, but there is also a bit of wisdom that was observed that, the broader you go, the less of a direct impact you have.  So, with this reality, no one man is going to do squat really with the world.  SJWs and social progressives operate under the delusion that their Tumblr accounts will change the world, when they are really just noise.  With this, all you can do is look after yourself, and maybe help a few people directly.  I had been involved enough in different such social movement things, and found them all about a waste of time and money and resources.  Anyone doing MGTOW who thinks it will change the world, will delude themselves.  They can gain personal happiness, but change the world?  Nah…

* In regards to ghosting, I believe each MGTOW needs to decide how much he is going to ghost the world.  And with that, here is a video I did on it, if you want to watch:

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35855]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

There are guys on this site who LITERALLY talk about moving out into the sticks, being entirely alone, and only going into “society” if and when its necessary to get groceries, etc.

Who on here HONESTLY thinks that is a healthy attitude?

Never mind healthy. That sounds downright MANLY. And fully within the manly tradition of mountain men, trailblazers, and others of a bold, individualist pioneering spirit.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Evil prevails when good men fail to act.

Well then maybe you should get right on that. You have my full support.

As for myself, I never claimed to be a good man. So I have to ask, what’s in it for me?

Im not a GHOST […] we are a SILENT MAJORITY.

That’s actually amusing when you realize “the silent majority” is a euphemism for the dead.

But in the political sense, yes, we are the undiscovered majority. And we are voting with our wallets and with our feet. And believe me that does a lot more than yelling on a soap box or voting at the ballot box

[Anonymous 5]

I don’t expect MGTOW to change the world. The whole point of MGTOW is saying “F~~~ the world”. I don’t care about fighting the evil c~~~ society. Let the MRA’s do it. I got better things to do.

I will glaldy speak my mind on the internet and educate my fellow man and hope it helps them. But I am not going to go stand outside of a university and get into screaming matches with c~~~ feminists and guttersluts. That is too much stress I don’t need.

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

MGTOW Will Not Change the Current Paradigm

And to be fair we’re not trying to, I’ve linked this video in the past and feel it fits this situation too

[Anonymous 1]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You have your own. That’s fine.  However, you aren’t being a realist. Realism is not based on opinion, it is based on fact. Reality is a fact. Now let me introduce you to some facts.

 

Who gives women power? Men (gynocentric men) and by extension man-made institutions. When most men become MGTOW, realize the nature of women and snap out of the blue-pill dream….. Do you really think women will be given that power?

 

If you think women will be in power for long, then I’m sorry, but that just isn’t going to happen. It isn’t natural and all civilizations that have freed the women have collapsed in short order. Yes, I agree that society won’t collapse only because of feminism and MGTOW, but these are the symptoms of decline.

 

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Simple solution:

Control your sexual drive

And yes, men are beginning to understand how. The trend is rising.

Keep in mind, women use our sexual drive against us all the time, so why even bother with them, doesn’t make much sense.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[RobinParticipant 17]

kbbroiler wrote:

Now there was an article here that explains http://elitedaily.com/dating/men-pssies-women-need-start-asking-men-dates/746965/ It’s from a woman’s point of view and they do bash and use shaming tactics in this. More and more guys are dating less. This will continue I believe for the next generation if things don’t change in the laws.

I can honestly state, without hint of exaggeration or hyperbole, that the article linked to above contains some of the most appalling rubbish I have ever read in my life, but – as you say – this is alongside some accurate insights.  I have little doubt the insights are accidental.  The author is quite simply stupid and it’s likely the article was only published due to its potential as click bait.

It seems feminist women have not learnt something The Rolling Stones knew 46 years ago.  Then again, The Rolling Stones are men…

Feminists don’t seem to understand the consequences of social complexity.  You can want something, campaign for it, shout for it, demonstrate for it, but even if your plaintive appeals are allowed and your wishes are granted, it doesn’t follow that what you want is what you will get.  In short, women have lost touch with their needs.  It’s a harsh lesson – and for the increasing number of childless women, a brutal lesson.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Robin wrote:

There are guys on this site who LITERALLY talk about moving out into the sticks, being entirely alone, and only going into “society” if and when its necessary to get groceries, etc.

Who on here HONESTLY thinks that is a healthy attitude? Thats NUTS!

I do, me.

As for ghosting, and all that I have read on this thread, I say this…

What it means to me is not anything anyone else has to say about it.

I do not subscribe to it being unhealthy, unmanly, feminine,

Ancientwisdom wrote:

“Society doesnt care about me, so Im going to GHOST society”

-.who do you think will notice, what do you think it will change?

Its tantamount to saying – “Noone cares about me, so Im going to KILL MYSELF”.

I can only speak for myself, but it’s not me ghosting society, it’s me ghosting (or shielding, if it’s more clear that way) myself from modern day females in society.

Who do I think will notice? Myself first and foremost, which is my point for myself.

Added bonus? When women realize I am not a puppet on their string that they can have their way with. Besides the way women treat me know is by far, better than what it was when I was trying to do what was expected of me, regardless from whichever angle (social, political, etc)

It’s tantamount for myself, to saying – ” I don’t care for anyone to try and “mold” me, So I’m going to GHOST MYSELF”

The replies of other’s in this thread already covered the rest.

[RobinParticipant 17]

Phantom wrote:

Robin wrote:

There are guys on this site who LITERALLY talk about moving out into the sticks, being entirely alone, and only going into “society” if and when its necessary to get groceries, etc. Who on here HONESTLY thinks that is a healthy attitude? Thats NUTS!

I didn’t say this.  Don’t quote someone else’s words as mine.

[rajshekarParticipant 46]

I often read posts on here in which men think that the entire male/female dynamic, laws, and the world will be changed by MGTOW.

Well, if Feminism has changed almost entire world, why can’t MGTOW??

“I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless but not men” - Godfather

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