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I know that title might ruffle some feathers, but that is what I believe; and I want, and respect everyones input on my opinion. Which is simply that: an OPINION.
The MGTOW phenomenon can not be tied down to a specific creed, because by its very nature it is RELATIVE to each individual man.
However, I often read posts on here in which men think that the entire male/female dynamic, laws, and the world will be changed by MGTOW.
I dont buy it.
Its true most younger men are opting out of marriage, but Ive encountered those very same men acting like supplicating pussies to try and get some tail. They might not marry, but they will play the bitch to get pussy. Which only solidifies the problem.
I sometimes read posts on this forum from the perspective that society will colapse as a result of MGTOW. That women will be overthrown of their power. I simply dont see that happening. Im being a realist, and Im not discouraging anyone from their own pursuits, simply stating the obvious as I see it.
Its not going to happen.
Men LOVE pussy. Nothing wrong with that; the unfortunate aspect is that we pay too much for it.
MGTOW is an inspirational ideal, in that we dont compromise beyond a certain point just to get our dicks wet, and that we recognize other men are feeling the same as us and being manipulated.
I just realistically draw the line on a few key points:
1. Were arent going to make ALL men become content with never having sex again at the price of giving women the middle finger. Not going to happen.
2. Society isnt going to collapse over MGTOW. It might collapse because of the immoral society we live in, but it wont be because men collectively decided NOT to be with women.
3. As much as I hate to say this: men want pussy more than women want dick. Dont accuse me of being some chick here. Im a dude and as much as I DETEST womens behavior, I love pussy.
My point in this post is: Im with you guys to an extent, but I dont understand how some of you HONESTLY post about:
Men bringing down society, by GHOSTING.
Dont get me wrong. If I thought we were capable of doing that, then SIGN ME THE F~~~ UP!
I simply dont see a logical argument for it.
As for me?
I agree with almost all of you on your perceptions of women. I dont treat them the way I did in my youth.I wont pay for them, or treat them special. But Ill gladly welcome them in my bed, because Im a dude, and I like pussy.
My two cents fellas.
Resident cynic.
I agree, it wont change the world but it will save dudes from doing the same mistake as others, even the same mistake again.
I see young people in the early 20´s in Sweden all over the place getting in to serious relationships/marrying and starting familys, girls dream of kids and young men dont know what else to do. They dont have a clue that there is another way. They are not happy but they seems to be ok to start familys with whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.
Keep clam i'm dyslexic.
whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.
Ughhhh…
Dude, that is So grotesque. If this site helps any man from doing that, then it is well worth it.
Resident cynic.
MGTOW will only save those that want it. Those men will be the survivors of this system.
The rest of them … pfttt
I am inclined to agree with you, AncientWisdom. Some of the posts I have seen cropping up here over the past few weeks / months feel a bit “MRA” ish or some sort of “rally under the banner.”
Trying to change the world / collapse society, or whatever – I will leave that to the more politically minded.
. Were aren’t going to make ALL men become content with never having sex again at the price of giving women the middle finger. Not going to happen.
Something absolutely catastrophic like a World War / Nuclear Holocaust etc would change the world much more drastically then for every guy to become monks. As much as women do my head in, I believe they are a “necessary evil.” Using MGTOW as an example – if there were no women, then who or what would be our “common enemy?” Would we turn on each other? Would we have a world wide bro-mance? Would we innovate and engineer to make our world better and improve? And what about the element of competition? A lot of competition is done (in my opinion on a base /biological instinct) in order to “impress women.” Without competing, how would men “better” themselves if there was nobody to impress?
Becoming a monk or “ghost” as AncientWisdom puts it can’t be healthy – rather then retreat, why not utilise knowledge and experience to better navigate your every day interactions and dealings with all people? Have the confidence to stand by your convictions even if you are the only one in a crowd – moral courage.
What is more powerful? Running away from the world where nobody hears your opinion? Or staying in the loop and despite external pressure from friends / society, you stand up for what you believe?
I am sure there are many points where my argument is flawed, but quite simply, MGTOW for me is very much “creating my own reality.” If everyone committed mass suicide tomorrow, I would just get up and make myself a cup of tea and get on with what I want to do.
Marriage? No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.
Ive read many men on here discuss “GHOSTING”, and some of them describe it as moving in the country side and never interacting with people again.
THIS ISNT WHAT MEN DO.
We SPEAK OUT. WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
Let me ask you “GHOSTS” this: the bag checker at your grocery store…Would you notice or care if they were gone?
Disappearing into the distance causes nothing more than your own isolation and depression.
YOUR.VOICE IS VALUABLE.
AND.
NEEDS TO BE HEARD!
If you isolate yourself, you are by default stating your opinion isnt worthy. IT IS!
Tell it to society.
Do you think your value is tantamount to a ghost?
F~~~ that!
Speak and be heard!
We are the SILENT MAJORITY.
You want to be a GHOST?
Thats something I wont sign up for, because ghosts are immaterial and have no consequence.
Resident cynic.
If everyone committed mass suicide tomorrow, I would just get up and make myself a cup of tea and get on with what I want to do.
If….if…if…
That’s precisely my point: too many “ifs”.
IF my aunt had a penis shed be my uncle.
Too many “ifs”.
Lets discuss reality.
“IF” society collapsed.
“IF” men had equal rights.
“IF” women lost value.
Who gives a f~~~ about “IFs”?…
Resident cynic.
I didnt intend for my post to be too antagonistic towards you. I was drawing off of a line of thought. Also, I replied prior to you editing/adding more to your reply.
I appreciate youre input.
Thank you.
Resident cynic.
whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.
Ughhhh… Dude, that is So grotesque. If this site helps any man from doing that, then it is well worth it.
GOOOAAAALLLL!!!
lol sorry couldn’t resist…
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team.
Ughhhh… Dude, that is So grotesque. If this site helps any man from doing that, then it is well worth it.
GOOOAAAALLLL!!! lol sorry couldn’t resist…
LOOOL! That was funny bro! 😛
Resident cynic.
I didnt intend for my post to be too antagonistic towards you. I was drawing off of a line of thought. Also, I replied prior to you editing/adding more to your reply. I appreciate youre input. Thank you.
LOL No worries AncientWisdom – I didn’t even see it as potential antagonising until you mentioned it! =)
“If everyone committed mass suicide tomorrow, I would just get up and make myself a cup of tea and get on with what I want to do.”
That was more of a throw away comment and apologies to anyone that may have / will offend. It was meant as an emphasis to me basically doing whatever I want regardless of what happens to the world around me.
“whores who f~~~ed all their mates and the entire local soccer team”
Haha! When I was in the Air Force, there used to be a regular “coach” of young women who would turn up at our station on weekends to “meet” young squaddies. This was affectionately known as the “Meat Bus” – the next morning in the barrack blocks, all you could smell was s~~~, cum, blood, puke and whatever else you can think of. Passed out people in corridors and toilets, etc. Good times! LOL
Marriage? No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.
“Ghosting” is a:
Passive, feminen, reactionary mechanism. It is narcissistic in nature- “Im so important, that if I remove myself from this circle it will effect EVERYONE.”
Men have always effected their environment by SPEAKING their mind.
Men take INITIATIVE. We speak out. We dont withdraw and WAIT for a reaction.
I speak out against the notion of ghosting because it is unhealthy for men. Isolating oneself, going against your nature, and becoming reactionary will lead to depression. This isnt what we do.
Men aren’t “ghosts”. Step out. Speak up. F~~~ being a ghost. Im tired of reading about men on here isolating themselves from society. THAT is not the answer.
You are society. Speak up. Get some tail. Talk to other dudes. Just dont put up with the s~~~ wr all have recognized on here. That doesnt mean you can NEVER enjoy pussy again or be a part of society.
F~~~ THAT.
BE A VOICE.
AND STILL ENJOY YOURSELF.
LET GIRLS “GHOST”
Thats not for us and wont change anything.
Resident cynic.
Sorry for the rant.
I agree, I remember before MGTOW acronym was invented. I remember thinking, way too long and hard to say. But back then I was an MRA and had no interest in going my own way.
I was an MRA for a reason. My life was set. I had a son and wanted a different world for him to grow up in. If anything it has gotten much worse. I, for one, knew to protect myself from both men and women as both can be as bad as the other in attacking you in the workplace etc.
As an MRA I was there when schools turned against boys in the 1980’s and boys started falling behind and thought that I could save my son from these harridans. He failed at school because of his own problems (he had all the things a kid could have going for him but failed because of LZ disease, extreme laziness).
Now he is grown and I only have myself to think about. I have been married twice and lived with an additional three women. Going my own way is a state of mind.
Personally I like the city. Going your own way in my mind means taking care of me first. My needs, my finances, my time, who I socialize with. It has little to do with gender although women are the worst for men IMO.
I see the aggressive attacks on men by men haters, we can call them feminists but so many don’t call themselves that but hate men all the same.
Just like many men are going their own way without identifying themselves as MGTOW. I would suggest that most men going their own way would hate the label MGTOW.
We are not seeing a reaction to MGTOW who are a small fringe group who only socialize to commiserate about the reason’s why we go our own way. Men who enjoy the company of like minded men.
And women have been trying to eliminate men’s only spaces for 100 years as they know that free association of men will lead to men transferring knowledge about women and thus slow down to feminist supremacy juggernaut.
So why are we here? I am not here to change the world by disseminating MGTOW. I am simply conversing with men who see the world as I see it for a little company.
Feminists have made the thought crime of seeking fairness in relationships illegal. I like doing unfashionable things as well.
Another reason I post here is to burst the bubble for younger men of the unfairness of modern men/woman relations.
But I don’t think that needs doing. Young men are on the front line and see it for themselves. The hervivours of Japan don’t organize and neither do I.
Men will go their own way because it is thrust upon them by the women of their age who neither want or need relationships with men.
Men are very resourceful and will find end runs around these silly games.
I already see it. Men of means do not associate with women who are gold diggers and publicize their abuse. Men of little means have multiple children with multiple women who are not their wives or even steady partners as they have nothing and nothing to lose.
So I come here and share my feelings with like minded men in full knowledge that it will mainly help me to express my self and help others by disseminating idea’s which are now taboo by the powers that be.
We will change nothing. This feminist political juggernaut launched in the Seneca Falls conference in the mid 1800’s and is now almost 200 years old will not be stopped in my lifetime so I take care of myself and, as I would open the door for someone coming after me, I share my idea’s here hoping that it may help some other guy that has not heard these ideas.
Women will destroy these men’s only spaces which will spring up elsewhere as ideas cannot be destroyed and the more you attack them the stronger they get.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
I am not here to change the world by disseminating MGTOW. I am simply conversing with men who see the world as I see it for a little company.
Men of means do not associate with women who are gold diggers
Well expressed PufnStuf – my sentiments also.
Marriage? No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.
Anonymous11MGTOW has changed my paradigm and that of many other men around the World. I don’t give a f~~~ about the world at large as it does not give a f~~~ about me.
I’m in AW’s camp, I like to have some real pussy, and I even enjoy the company of the rare woman who actually is not totally self-absorbed. Unfortunately, that involves real women which entails real risk. Whereas some MGTOWs understandingly refuse contact with all women which is the safest path by the way. I’ve building a screening process. It’s still under development and requires astute observational skills, reverse-s~~~ tests and self-discipline.
Rules so far:
#1) No kids = ++++++++++
#2) Asking for favors w/o returning the favor = ———-
#3) Not returning calls or texts in a semi-timely fashion = ———-
#4) Interested in me and demonstrates it = ++++++++++
#5) I do not hide my true self in an attempt to score. If she does not nag, bitch or bail = +++++
#6) Tattoos = ———-
#7) Drug or Alcohol Problems = ———-
#8) Mentions any Exs on a chronic basis = ———-
#9) Materialistic/Excessive Debt = ———-
#10) Speaks only about herself and her problems = ———-
#11) Health conscious/Physically fit = +++++++
#12) Moody = ———-
#13) Artistic/Creative Type = ++++++++++
#14) Always be ready to bail at the first sign of dysfunction or disrespect.I never let one control me or have access to my finances. I will never marry one. It’s easier to have nothing to do with them. Go your own way but affect positive change wherever and whenever you get the chance. It’s still best to keep MGTOW in stealth mode.
You are mistaken if you think ghosting is a form of arrogance or hubris and even the term’s definition cannot be clearly pinpointed.
I’ve ghosted from all forms of social media yet am still a contributing member of society via taxes and have no problem communicating with people around me.
I ghost not because I am arrogant, but because my conclusion after a cost/benefit analysts is that there are better things to do with my time than engage in social media and paying attention to what is going on in other peoples’ lives who are not an immediate part of mine.
Ghosting is a means to a selfish end, but then again the entire idea of MGTOW is selfish in nature. Do what is in your own best interest and what will make YOU happy once you have taken the red pill and awoken from the slumber society has had you in. No social media means I’m not scrolling down some news-feed or getting involved in a p~~~ing match with some woman or blue-pill. I’m doing things that I ENJOY doing and that will contribute to my future.
Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.
However, I often read posts on here in which men think that the entire male/female dynamic, laws, and the world will be changed by MGTOW.
MGTOW isn’t about changing the world, though. It’s a phenomenon, not a cause. It’s inherently reactive, not proactive.
MGTOW is about men changing their own lives for the better, one man at a time. Or at least keeping men from making the mistake of changing their lives for the worse by marrying etc.
I sometimes read posts on this forum from the perspective that society will colapse as a result of MGTOW.
I don’t see that. I do see society collapsing. Just look around you; things are getting uglier day by day. However I see this happening due to feminism and hypergynocentrism and the short sighted irresponsible policies they demand. MGTOW aren’t the cause of that collapse. MGTOW is just one of the symptoms.
They might not marry, but they will play the bitch to get pussy.
But are they producing the resources necessary to support the pussy? Or its spawn? If current employment and college enrollment trends are anything to go by the answer is a definite no. Expect shortages to follow. We’re already seeing it happening, and it has economists scared s~~~less.
I think you’re concentrating too much on men chasing or not chasing pussy, while missing out on the larger aspect of MGTOW, which is men living for themselves. Not living for pussy, but also not living for society or the status quo or anything else. Men don’t need to ghost for society to collapse. They merely need to produce only enough for themselves while women continue to consume more and more and more. Women are already consuming more than we can sustainably produce. Even if every man was producing massive surpluses for the benefit of society we couldn’t keep up with female greed. MGTOW aren’t causing that, they’re merely not slowing it down. They’re refusing to sacrifice themselves to mitigate female overconsumption, while trying to isolate themselves from the inevitable clusterf~~~ it will bring.
Ok this is my take. There has been a shift with women being the aggressors. Now the fact is women want money and children. Now is MGTOW going to make society fall??? Maybe not now but this is no different to the slave trade. Look how long it took to abolish slavery. hundreds of years it took and that’s what is going to happen with MGTOW I believe. Now as far as sex goes I know I don’t speak for everyone but seriously I rather masturbate than put up with women’s bulls~~~. Now there was an article here that explains http://elitedaily.com/dating/men-pssies-women-need-start-asking-men-dates/746965/ It’s from a woman’s point of view and they do bash and use shaming tactics in this. More and more guys are dating less. This will continue I believe for the next generation if things don’t change in the laws.
I don’t care. I’m out. A woman will never enslave me. And if I can share my knowledge with other men about the dangers of women, so be it. If they refuse to heed my warnings, it’s no real loss to me. Eventually EVERYONE will know the dangers of women, just like pretty much every man knows that women are completely and totally illogical. The only ones that will willingly step into that trap once they know this are either stupid or just can’t help themselves. You can’t save everybody.
Going my own way changes MY paradigm, and when MGTOW it changes theirs too. F~~~ society.
And about ghosting …YOUR.VOICE IS VALUABLE. AND. NEEDS TO BE HEARD! If you isolate yourself, you are by default stating your opinion isnt worthy. IT IS!
Feel free to inform us all of where it is exactly our voices f~~~ing matter in society.
. . . . . The voting booth? Bulls~~~.
. . . . . Church? Nope.
. . . . . Court system? Yeah, right.
. . . . . At work where HR whores and manginas rule? Lemme know how that goes for ya.
Where, exactly, other than here. Truth is I don’t give a s~~~-molecule about society or changing it anyore. It can f~~~ing rot in hell. I go ghost simply because that is what suits me and makes me happier – you claim above it leads to isolation and depression, but for me participation in a society that craps upon my values at every turn and tells me daily to go f~~~ myself for not wanting to be its indebted, capitulating and kneeling bitch is more isolating and depressing than ghosting into the realm of my thoughts and interests could ever be. My participation in society extends to doing my best at work, and extracting from that an income to secure current sustenance and a comfortable future. That’s it. You can knock yourself out changing society and its s~~~-sucking paradigm – I’ll happily divorce myself from it.If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.- AuthorPosts
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