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Brother:
I think you may need to re-evaluate the term MGTOW, and possibly your understanding of it as it applies to you.
And in doing so, make it crystal clear who we are, what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.
You are not me. I am not you. I’m following my own path, and while I may choose to share with you why and how I am doing it, that action does not make it tantamount to your path or revelations. Nor should it. Lumping people together got us into the car-wreck that is modern society.
Men Going Their Own Way. You are going to have your own concept of what your own way is, and no one can tell you any differently. This will not necessarily reflect at all on how I feel. I and hopefully others have absolutely no intention as an organization to tell you what your way will be. MGTOW’s in my opinion, if anything, are fairly tired of “organized” in general. Organized religion, organized socio-political boundaries, organized special interest groups. A great many of those concepts have led us right to where we stand in society. Ironically, alone.
Confusing this dot com presence of men going their own way, with that of a cult, commune, hive, movement, collective or otherwise will defeat the very purpose of having this place, in my opinion. This place was rather brilliantly designed to promote individuality, rather than a collective hive of thinking. I am sure many will disagree, and far be it for me to impugn the nature and intentions of the creator of this place.
The very beauty of this place is that it isn’t a movement.
We can leave mobs of people, mindlessly chanting the same thing over and over again without evaluating it to the feminists. If there is one common thread here, we tend not to like or respect them or their hive-programmed minds very much at all.
Commonalities are one thing. And it is a blessing that we have a place to gather where we might discuss them. However, before I found this place, I was going my own way. If this place, horribly, were to disappear tomorrow, I would still be going my own way. It’s been an oasis in the desert for me; as the camaraderie increases with the concept, so does the thinking of other men enlighten me.
This place has been a great validation for so many of the issues which have plagued my life. My membership here does not however, hinge on me agreeing with anyone on anything, apart from a basic set of rules which have been laid out to make this a functioning and respectful environment. If I am so obtuse as to undermine the intentions of another, I would however consider that dishonorable, and would hope for my discharge from the place. Especially since I personally don’t take THAT s~~~ from anyone. In my opinion, this place is freedom for men who have experienced some very real traumas in their lives due to following what one “should” do. Especially for slightly older generations. We were spoon-fed what we should do. How we should behave. How we should succumb. This is not a place of “shoulds”. This is a place of “Wills”. In every sense of the word. I Will myself to obtain freedom from the shackles of my past. And I Will succeed. I Will not be organized into a group who must follow the intentions of a superior.
I like to think of this place as a great stone Keep, set in the middle of a scorched and post-apocalyptic land. A cataclysmic event has happened, and the fallout is real, present and ongoing. After trudging endlessly through this barren land, I saw in the distance a fortification. One of promise. It’s design was so elaborate that at first it seemed deceptively simple in it’s presentation. I needed shelter, and I was welcome to enter.
If I were able to follow a few very basic codes of conduct, ones which have endured in men for thousands of years, I was to be given harbor and safe passage. This Keep was full of many fellow travelers. Some were absolutely torn to shreds from their travels. Some were possessed of an anger which could barely be voiced for lack of words due to their mistreatment at the hands of their oppressors, and from the punishment of the storm. Others simply needed to rest, needing peace, protection and refuge so that they might continue with their quest. There was no question; they were all embarked on very different voyages, having set out on each of their own journeys, and all from very different origins. But there was commonality in that they all needed refuge from a land; a land which would take from their provisions, their love for humankind, their leather bag of coins, and from their very soul itself. The land would do this all while giving absolutely nothing back. By way of the Keep, men were free to drink, free to rest, free from the voice of the storm, and free from the very voice of their respective oppressors. The men were free to speak of their individual quest, and free to learn from their fellow travelers as to how they might better weather the storm upon embarking once again on their journey. While the gate had been drawn to prevent those who would enter to harm or silence them, each traveler was free to come and leave as they chose. So long as they obeyed a simple code of conduct: Respect for their fellow travelers, and respect for those who built the keep.
And should I feel weary again? I will return, and hopefully there will be new men to enlighten me in my struggle.
If you dont think men have anything to do with the epidemic of sluts in the West, with misandry and low male SMP, then you’re kidding yourself. Ive probably been a member of this site longer than some of you who tried to call me a woman. Pathetic bro.
There is no possible way, that I could ever believe, that the pages, upon pages, upon f~~~ing PAGES of debates concerning philosophy could have been sustained, whether by sheer force of will or mental stamina, by a woman. Not being sexist, just real life personal experience. If I ever met one, then it would fall from 100% certainty to a lower number.
Alternate hypothesis, if you are indeed a woman, then hat’s off to you, but I rather think you’re a man.
Thanks Exsliventxs and BulletDodger I value your comments
I mean well gentlemen and try to wrap my head around things. I don’t always agree either. Honestly, I’d probably allow some sex to occur for myself. Its been 2 years.
The point bullet dodger made is the same Stardusk has made.
Ive spoken about many things here and have met criticism and agreement. For instance, I favor Stardusk above all other producers and content, however I do not s~~~ talk Sandman (MGTOW.com and I have argued about this…he’s probably more than 50% right and I respect him)(Sandman is definitely a one track mind and seeks no union with this website…that is truly a shame. But also, Sandman, who has charater defects is s~~~ talked way too often, especially by people who clearly don’t mind fueling the c~~~ carousel. They want to harp on a guy who runs his channel like an AT&T commercial but they themselves are breeding feminist sluts) But dont misunderstand me, Im not a Sandman fan, I favor Stardusk. I just dont harp on a dude for his style. He has mispoke and made bad content just as much as others, he just doesn’t give a f~~~ about other mgtow producers or the dot com….which is a shame.
I rant and advocate about proCelibacy and proAtheism every couple of months. Hope you guys enjoy that. 🙂 Peace.
Concerning the c~~~ carousel issue, I view it like this….
1. Men don’t want to marry sluts.
2. Men like pussy.
3. Men f~~~ available pussy.
4. Non-MGTOW want to marry.
5. Women who carousel are not valued.
6. Men marry least slutty women available with which they can “emotionally” connect
7. Slutty women hit the Wall at full speed, with cats.
8. Slutty women write an article, that gets posted on this site for laughs.
9. Rinse. Repeat.
I may have it entirely wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time, but I like to think that it’s a self-correcting system.
That’s sort of why I get angry sir. I make comments and you berate and belittle me by calling me a woman and thinking like a woman. You’re shaming me after I even agreed to some of your points. What the f~~~ dude? I made good points and celibacy isnt a rigid code. Half of the people coming to this site are celibate anyway through no effort, we just can’t even tolerate the presence of todays women. So why is it blasphemy to call out the dudes bagging chicks, who ARE f~~~ing up whatever was left of the dating pool? They go around teaching sluttery and then act tough and call themselves MGTOW, when last night they were pussy begging with the best simps out there.
I don’t appreciate that sir. NOT ONCE, have I ever said someone here is a girl! And I was extremely careful to never say someone thought like a woman. Come on bro. I forgive but s~~~, Im getting my b~~~~ broke while making some good points here. Maybe Celibacy isn’t the end game solution and maybe MGTOW isn’t a “movement,” its an idea, whatever– but I just called out some hard truths that have everything to do with the variables that control the whole thing. Double talking dudes, “mgtow” by day, pussy beggers by night training and encouraging female sluttery and male dispoability.
I thought we were all getting along a few posts ago when I bought beers for everyone. So after that I still tried to keep it light and fun. And then you had to go and bring up Sandman. I knew things were going too good to last……
especially by people who clearly don’t mind fueling the c~~~ carousel
Lets stop right there. MEN don’t fuel the c~~~ carousel. Rampant hypergamous SLUTS do. Sex doesn’t happen unless a woman WANTS it to. If you don’t have your head around that, it’s time to stop thinking about Sandman and other people so much. Basics first.
Women are having FAR MORE sexual partners than men:
Even actively pro-active pussy chasers are having less sex than women.
So it’s dishonest to accuse MGTOW who may (or may not) enjoy some trim once in a blue moon of “fueling the c~~~ carousel”.Sandman is a VIDEO PRODUCER on you tube. He makes videos on youtube. By himself. So do all kinds of whackos. Turns on his mic and rambles off a paragraph of what he thinks. Not what he KNOWS. He was in a relationship with a woman for 9 years. If it worked out with her – guess what , there would be no Sandman. That’s right.
Sandman has turned himself into the MacDonald’s Hamburger of MGTOW.
You know EXACTLY what it’s gonna taste like before you bite into it.
And that’s why all those dosey boys are buying it by the trough. So they can get their happy meal.While he;’s off “going his own way” for a buck, the dot com is bringing MGTOW TOGETHER. Sandman is doing no such thing. He is one mouse click away from having his entire channel deleted. Youtube is a storage facility and a resource. MGTOW is SO much bigger than that. Why you speak about him like the captain of the MGTOW ship is baffling.
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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Brother: I think you may need to re-evaluate the term MGTOW, and possibly your understanding of it as it applies to you.
And in doing so, make it crystal clear who we are, what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.
You are not me. I am not you. I’m following my own path, and while I may choose to share with you why and how I am doing it, that action does not make it tantamount to your path or revelations. Nor should it. Lumping people together got us into the car-wreck that is modern society. Men Going Their Own Way. You are going to have your own concept of what your own way is, and no one can tell you any differently. This will not necessarily reflect at all on how I feel. I and hopefully others have absolutely no intention as an organization to tell you what your way will be. MGTOW’s in my opinion, if anything, are fairly tired of “organized” in general. Organized religion, organized socio-political boundaries, organized special interest groups. A great many of those concepts have led us right to where we stand in society. Ironically, alone. Confusing this dot com presence of men going their own way, with that of a cult, commune, hive, movement, collective or otherwise will defeat the very purpose of having this place, in my opinion. This place was rather brilliantly designed to promote individuality, rather than a collective hive of thinking. I am sure many will disagree, and far be it for me to impugn the nature and intentions of the creator of this place. The very beauty of this place is that it isn’t a movement. We can leave mobs of people, mindlessly chanting the same thing over and over again without evaluating it to the feminists. If there is one common thread here, we tend not to like or respect them or their hive-programmed minds very much at all. Commonalities are one thing. And it is a blessing that we have a place to gather where we might discuss them. However, before I found this place, I was going my own way. If this place, horribly, were to disappear tomorrow, I would still be going my own way. It’s been an oasis in the desert for me; as the camaraderie increases with the concept, so does the thinking of other men enlighten me. This place has been a great validation for so many of the issues which have plagued my life. My membership here does not however, hinge on me agreeing with anyone on anything, apart from a basic set of rules which have been laid out to make this a functioning and respectful environment. If I am so obtuse as to undermine the intentions of another, I would however consider that dishonorable, and would hope for my discharge from the place. Especially since I personally don’t take THAT s~~~ from anyone. In my opinion, this place is freedom for men who have experienced some very real traumas in their lives due to following what one “should” do. Especially for slightly older generations. We were spoon-fed what we should do. How we should behave. How we should succumb. This is not a place of “shoulds”. This is a place of “Wills”. In every sense of the word. I Will myself to obtain freedom from the shackles of my past. And I Will succeed. I Will not be organized into a group who must follow the intentions of a superior. I like to think of this place as a great stone Keep, set in the middle of a scorched and post-apocalyptic land. A cataclysmic event has happened, and the fallout is real, present and ongoing. After trudging endlessly through this barren land, I saw in the distance a fortification. One of promise. It’s design was so elaborate that at first it seemed deceptively simple in it’s presentation. I needed shelter, and I was welcome to enter. If I were able to follow a few very basic codes of conduct, ones which have endured in men for thousands of years, I was to be given harbor and safe passage. This Keep was full of many fellow travelers. Some were absolutely torn to shreds from their travels. Some were possessed of an anger which could barely be voiced for lack of words due to their mistreatment at the hands of their oppressors, and from the punishment of the storm. Others simply needed to rest, needing peace, protection and refuge so that they might continue with their quest. There was no question; they were all embarked on very different voyages, having set out on each of their own journeys, and all from very different origins. But there was commonality in that they all needed refuge from a land; a land which would take from their provisions, their love for humankind, their leather bag of coins, and from their very soul itself. The land would do this all while giving absolutely nothing back. By way of the Keep, men were free to drink, free to rest, free from the voice of the storm, and free from the very voice of their respective oppressors. The men were free to speak of their individual quest, and free to learn from their fellow travelers as to how they might better weather the storm upon embarking once again on their journey. While the gate had been drawn to prevent those who would enter to harm or silence them, each traveler was free to come and leave as they chose. So long as they obeyed a simple code of conduct: Respect for their fellow travelers, and respect for those who built the keep. And should I feel weary again? I will return, and hopefully there will be new men to enlighten me in my struggle.
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Thanks Willy. I read your whole post and I liked it very much. Ive actually learned a bit and I have to say that celibacy is a great thing but you guys are right, we cant really reccommedn it or plant it in the MGTOW definition. I still think I made great points and I think celibacy is a force reckon with. But yeah, we cant plant it in the mgtow definition.
Like Keymaster said, its loose defined for a reason, to save us from the bulls~~~.
So to save me from further scolding and accusation of being a woman, I admit that we should not endorse celibacy. I still think its a badass solution and like I said, half of us are celibate anyway just because of the climate. We dont even have to try for it, it just happens as we go our way. But okay, points made.
I’m new around here ( no I’m not a sockpuppet before anyone suggests it) and I agree. The only way for this whole joke system to stop and end is for men to simply walk away from women completely, and that includes sex. Most men are not going to do this however, and the majority of MGTOW’s won’t go the celibate route. But it is this pussy worship and chasing women for sex which has produced the type of women we see now, spoilt, materialistic and narcissistic. Men who chase women ( and that includes some MGTOW ) are admitting the women is in control. Why? Because they want her pussy, in which case she has the power. A woman was never supposed to lead and this is what happens when they take control. You wouldn’t let a child lead a parent and it’s the same with a woman leading a man. Every time a man is desperate for sex the woman knows this, and 99% of the time she is leading him, and he’ll do anything in that moment to get his little urge taken care of.
If all men went celibate this thing would end. Women would go back to their role of chasing men and their standards would be a lot lower then the fantasy they have in their head of the perfect man ( yes women are supposed to chase men for sex). In the near future, men might not have a choice with the way the rape laws are heading though, so I wouldn’t worry too much.
Obviously we recognize each other then? I go by Automated Being on Youtube and I’ve had this conversation before with you. So you can stop insulting me, calling me a woman, saying I think like a woman, and addressing me like I killed your dog or like I write Sandman’s videos.
I didn’t do s~~~ to you except challenge the fact that you made a video database of MGTOW channels that didn’t include Sandy. Why? Because you have it out for him. Admit it. The second Sandman made Monks of MGTOW; the second Messenger made his inflammatory Shaming of Sandman video, you waved banners here saying SANDMAN IS DOWN, MEYDAY!……..you guys engineered his defamations and incited the whole mgtow base against him. Ever since then, all you here is people attacking the Sandman name.
I also never called Sandy the Capt. of SS. MGTOW bro so quit it. I’ve repeatedly said that I like Stardusk, not Sandman. That doesn’t mean Sandman is nearly as bad as you paint him out to be or that he deserved the continued s~~~ talking about McDonalds of MGTOW bulls~~~. You shame me and shame a MGTOW producer and expect an attaboy? F~~~ that.
I tried being respectful and all I get is bullying. You accidentally or purposefully created a rift in MGTOW and now wont take responsibility for it. Of all your past deeds and good accomplishments and all of Sandmans too, you both screwed the pooch. I applaud your work sir, I really do, but you keep squirting blood in the water in regards to sandman.
Women are having FAR MORE sexual partners than men:
So it’s dishonest to accuse MGTOW who may (or may not) enjoy some trim once in a blue moon of “fueling the c~~~ carousel”.
I already stated that Women # of sex partners exceeds men. Youre not educating me. Its not dishonest to point out that men, including mgtow, are too weak to control their biological drive to f~~~, even if it spells disaster for men across the board and themselves. In fact, this is the god damn Trojan horse that is shredding apart masculinity and upholding the feminist regime. You play it off like its fun once in blue moon when in reality it is the nuclear bomb that is causing everything horrible for us. So maybe it is a good idea to encourage celibacy, how about actually hitting the enemy where it hurts instead of this pacifists bulls~~~.
If men have an innate out-group bias (i.e. gynocentrism), what is needed is a learned in-group bias. This seems easy enough for those who have already gone MGTOW, as they have already rejected gynocentrism to a great degree.
I still think [celibacy] is a badass solution……..
You know what’s a better solution? Not giving a f~~~ if you get laid or not. Certainly not giving a f~~~ about whether or not OTHERS are – or not. Making overtures about celibacy is not as effective as leaving them wondering or always knowing you can get it elsewhere.
You don’t put a paper bag over your head and make an announcement that you will now stop breathing until the pollution problem is solved.
Declarations of celebacy is like those people who go around telling everyone they quit smoking yesterday. But you’re always going to see that asshole hiding around a corner sneaking a few drags and all you can do is roll your eyes. So it’s way more adult to shut the f~~~ up about it.
We already HAVE too many people sat ing “MGTOW AREN’T GETTING LAID”. Its a great big f~~~ing LIE. You don’t HAVE to make a declaration of celibacy when 80% of the Manospehere already THINKS you don’t get any. It’s a JOKE. I could go out there tonight and have each of my b~~~~ licked by 2 sluts for $60 a piece and none of you would ever know! And what if I did, would be disappointed in me? Please. It’s not even worth talking about.
There is something really SICK and wrong about other people caring this much about WHO you’re f~~~ing – or not f~~~ing.
They should be shamed for that alone.
and like I said, half of us are celibate anyway just because of the climate.
You don’t know that.
No you don’t. It’s not even open for discussion. You know who’s not getting laid? Boyfriends and husbands. So the issue of whether or not YOU CHOOSE to – or not – is totally f~~~ing pointless.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Thanks WalkingMOW. At least one person gets it.
At least one person gets it.
Jesus Christ. Everyone else is still waiting for YOU to get it. And we don’t really give a s~~~ whether you get it or not. That’s the difference here. You’re too preoccupied with everyone else to pretend to be “going your own way” when you won’t even let THEM.
Go hang out at Sandman’s forums.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I already stated that Women # of sex partners exceeds men. Youre not educating me. Its not dishonest to point out that men, including mgtow, are too weak to control their biological drive to f~~~, even if it spells disaster for men across the board and themselves. In fact, this is the god damn Trojan horse that is shredding apart masculinity and upholding the feminist regime. You play it off like its fun once in blue moon when in reality it is the nuclear bomb that is causing everything horrible for us. So maybe it is a good idea to encourage celibacy, how about actually hitting the enemy where it hurts instead of this pacifists bulls~~~.
I think this conversation is missing one very important angle.
Let the women chase the dick?
You seem to be laboring under the impression that women control sex and so “chasing the trim” is disastrous for MGTOW. That is simply not true. As I’ve stated in a few posts, if a man is viewed as a net plus for her ego, she will chase instead.
An example:
A very attractive female friend of mine was dating this rather tall handsome man, and I overheard them having a little spat by the car.
The discussion seemed to be about nothing of any consequence, but I’ll never forget when he turned to her and said softly but firmly, “You still want dick? I’ll pull the dick.”
He said it so casually, and the look on my friend’s face was one of horror. She was beautiful and could have almost any man, but the idea of him with-holding sex from her was horrific, so she whined “no, please don’t.”
He didn’t berate her further, didn’t exert his weight anymore, the discussion was over.
Now you may deem it completely deplorable for a man to use the same tactics against a woman that women have been using since the time of ancient Greece, however it is similarly effective.
It is NOT bad for a man to let a woman approach him for some “trim”, it is NOT bad for her to view him as a step-up in her EGO ratings, it is NOT bad to threaten withholding the dick. These methods are not PUA.
S~~~ DOES WORK. Men just have to have the b~~~~ to deploy the strategy.
I do not s~~~ talk Sandman (MGTOW.com and I have argued about this…he’s probably more than 50% right and I respect him)(Sandman is definitely a one track mind and seeks no union with this website…that is truly a shame. But also, Sandman, who has charater defects is s~~~ talked way too often, especially by people who clearly don’t mind fueling the c~~~ carousel.
Beware, I can tell you are getting excited about this, take a step back for a moment…..
If in anger you answer, then in shame you will dwell….. I think Yoda said this….
You had a very interesting and intelligent first post to start this thread, yet… you deviated from your post and started to debate something entirely different – Sandman, unfortunately I associate this with female behaviour, let’s stay on point bud….
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
I already stated that Women # of sex partners exceeds men. Youre not educating me. Its not dishonest to point out that men, including mgtow, are too weak to control their biological drive to f~~~, even if it spells disaster for men across the board and themselves. In fact, this is the god damn Trojan horse that is shredding apart masculinity and upholding the feminist regime. You play it off like its fun once in blue moon when in reality it is the nuclear bomb that is causing everything horrible for us. So maybe it is a good idea to encourage celibacy, how about actually hitting the enemy where it hurts instead of this pacifists bulls~~~.
I think this conversation is missing one very important angle. Let the women chase the dick? You seem to be laboring under the impression that women control sex and so “chasing the trim” is disastrous for MGTOW. That is simply not true. As I’ve stated in a few posts, if a man is viewed as a net plus for her ego, she will chase instead. An example: A very attractive female friend of mine was dating this rather tall handsome man, and I overheard them having a little spat by the car. The discussion seemed to be about nothing of any consequence, but I’ll never forget when he turned to her and said softly but firmly, “You still want dick? I’ll pull the dick.” He said it so casually, and the look on my friend’s face was one of horror. She was beautiful and could have almost any man, but the idea of him with-holding sex from her was horrific, so she whined “no, please don’t.” He didn’t berate her further, didn’t exert his weight anymore, the discussion was over. Now you may deem it completely deplorable for a man to use the same tactics against a woman that women have been using since the time of ancient Greece, however it is similarly effective. It is NOT bad for a man to let a woman approach him for some “trim”, it is NOT bad for her to view him as a step-up in her EGO ratings, it is NOT bad to threaten withholding the dick. These methods are not PUA. S~~~ DOES WORK. Men just have to have the b~~~~ to deploy the strategy.
But this is exactly the point. Women are supposed to be the one’s doing the chasing. And then the man is supposed to decide if she’s a female of any value or not. Sex is no.1 for reproduction but it’s been turned into some type of pleasurable drug for men to escape the misery in their lives. And much the same with the modern women. The biggest lie, is that men need sex, when actually no we don’t. It’s women that need sex. Men have an option whether we want to reproduce or not, but the vast majority of women want offspring. Women are the sexual beings not men. Everything about them is to attract a mate. Men have been conditioned that this artificially high libido is natural, when it isn’t. So men need to work on that before they complain about the unfair legal situations against men in society. When men change their view on sex, then women will how they act around men and the laws will change. Women would be begging men for sex, if men refused then women would get desperate.
Now there will be many MGTOW’s who will have the attitude ” f~~~ it, I don’t care about this s~~~, f~~~ society, I’ll get laid and do what I want blah blah blah ” not knowing that this collective attitude is why we are where we are in society now. If everyone lives a selfish attitude then guess what? We live in a selfish world.
Anonymous3I am celibate as a combination of age and belief in God, who forbids fornication. I would have to get married, but marriage is an absolute joke in the West with absurd laws and a dearth of marriageable females (young virgins). But it’s been that way for decades.
MGTOW can be about celibacy, but MGTOW is not a religious movement and without religion there is no real need for celibacy. MGTOW is more about not getting married. So the religious and the idea of MGTOW both align.
I would abandon MGTOW if we lived in a Christian nation with Christian laws and true Christian women that would be appalled at the very idea of sex before marriage and then frivolous divorce (with state sanctioned financial incentives, which is un-Christian as well).
However we don’t, and so I don’t. MGTOW is making the best of a failed society. It is too bad the churches all sold out to feminism, or this mess could have been prevented. It is far too late now.
KeyMaster:
We already HAVE too many people sat ing “MGTOW AREN’T GETTING LAID”. Its a great big f~~~ing LIE.
There’s your problem Sir. You deny the obvious.
We aren’t getting laid, that’s a f~~~ing fact. CLAIM IT and OWN IT with Pride. Why are you denying it and putting sex as some type of accomplishment that you’re embarrassed to admit we’re not getting any.
We don’t want the sex because we see what it costs. Its not that we cant get it. And when we do get it, it costs us dearly. When we do get it, it furthered a single females interests and discretions as well as it furthered the feminists goal of all women being able to buy out men by selling their pussy. You either dont understand that or dont care that MGTOW men dont give a s~~~ about their own plight. Youre all nihilists without a cause, contirbuting to your own demise when you dont admit that CELIBACY is a MGTOW Principle and worth delving into.
There’s your problem Sir. You deny the obvious. We aren’t getting laid, that’s a f~~~ing fact. CLAIM IT and OWN IT with Pride. Why are you denying it and putting sex as some type of accomplishment that you’re embarrassed to admit we’re not getting any.
Told my GF at the start, I don’t believe in marriage, I’m not getting married.
Now since this is anonymous and no damage could be done to her “honor” I don’t feel guilty in saying that we f~~~ed around 7 times in the last 4 days, the frequency only decreasing because I bottom out and she gets sore from it.
This MGTOW aren’t getting laid bit, is quite funny.
As a man if she were to get pregnant, I would NOT mind paying child support and being an active part of that child’s life.
What I’m not going to do is pay for a ceremony, honeymoon, a new house for her, a mortgage, alimony, new car for her, or move in and bring my s~~~ so she can use it and then claim it as 50% when she divorces my ass.
I’m not sure if you actually believe that celibacy is the way, or you’re trying to destroy the image of MGTOW by forcing celibacy into it’s definition that exactly undermines it’s purpose. That purpose being “OWN WAY”.
You’re idealistic to a fault. Still, that’s nothing I’m terribly concerned with, to each their own.
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