MGTOW Is Turning Into Feminism And How I Surpassed The MGTOW Mindset

[AttonParticipant]

First of UN the ad hominem appeal only work if I used your character as an argument to discredit the notion of and I quote.

MGTOW Is Turning Into Feminism

My argument that I made against that point was not an ad hominem, there where two separate issues.
tu-quoque

No thank you. I would rather stand out from the rest of the MGTOW mold and actually call out MGTOW for what it truly is and what it will eventually soon become after.

I think you have made the argument for me.

The only way to kill feminism is by the use of non-violence and refusing to feed the feminist dogma by avoiding it as much as possible. That is what you refuse to understand.

In practice what else is MGTOW other than simple rejection of the status quo,what Ill can it really even do?
You cite Sandman to be an exemplar of the Ill within MGTOW.

A lot of MGTOW channels spend a large portion of their time making hate and rant videos about women and Sandman is no exception either that they are in fact NOT going their own way and are simply spending too much of their time complaining about women and the dangers of women meanwhile doing everything else but taking the proper action to actually be productive for yourself and investing your time,skills and assets wisely.

Spoiler alert Sandman receives donation regularly and has a Patreon. Many other MGTOW channel also receive a good share of success. Your channel’s haven’t been even close to as successful so you are in no place to give council to anyone on how to invest their time. It pretty clear that Sandman and others have a little bit more of a clue on how to run a YT channel. If a man want’s to make video taking the wimins down a peg more power to him.

Because a lot of butthurt manginas,angry PUA’s,vengeful MRA’s and including the rabid pro-feminists are just as capable of re-directing and hijacking the MGTOW philosophy into a completely different direction than what was originally intended for their own ends.

Many have tried and all have failed, but in the end it doesn’t matter. The idea of men not eroding their freedom to the point where they prohibit themselves from going their own way will live on no matter what. They can do whatever they like to the name of MGTOW our ideas will never go away.

Those of you that do not take my advice into consideration are bound to become the very evil that they have been fighting against.

Ignorance MGTOW haven’t once fought against anything, nothing on this forum or on most of the manosphere is about fighting or campaigning. Again I’ll say it I don’t think you have the first clue about what you are talking about.

My biggest concern of them all if the fact that anyone can use the MGTOW label as the latest popular trend instead of actually taking part of the philosophy in an authentic and responsible manner.

If a man has freedom and is not a woman’s bitch then I take no issue with him calling himself a MGTOW. To go the way you chose you must be free if you meet that criteria and if you are a man then I don’t see a problem.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Keymaster completely missed the entire point

“The point” was addressed directly and flattened by men of history and historical excerpts in print which had nothing to with me. MGTOW is not your personal opinion – nor anyone else’s. That’s “the point” and YOU missed it. You did think before you posted.

You posted thinking the shape of MGTOW could be changed, altered, or ended, and you weren’t counting on historical references dating back 170 years and more. You hadn’t considered that and are now desperately grasping.

I didn’t make it personal. So why are YOU? Because it isn’t.

Anonymous wrote:

Feminism is a cult and MGTOW is heading in that direction as well.

The introductions forum single-handedly proves you wrong. Daily and weekly we hear from men who thought they were living on a island their whole lives. They didn’t attend “mgtow studies” classes, sermons or seminars and the testimonies are countless.

They rejected the herd mentality all on their own, and they thought they were alone.

“Cults” don’t work like that.

Anonymous wrote:

You cannot be saved.

Sweet Jesus.

Anonymous wrote:

Therefore I am saving myself by turning my back on this group and the label.

Where are you going? YOUR OWN WAY??
We’ve seen less dramatic overtures from women.

Frank V. wrote:

know KeyMaster is a big fan of Ayn Rand

Hardly. I have watched her on the Phil Donahue show , listened to maybe 2 hours of audio, and know about 3 Rand quotes by heart. That’s about the size of it.

I was a bigger fan of Michael Jackson. I saw him in concert 4 times, and know the lyrics to Billie Jean, but I never bought a Rand book.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

I think Under Network was out late, for April Fools day.

Not to forget, all that projection and irony, if he, more likely a she though, truly went by his(hers) words and principles, he(shemale) wouldn’t even have made said post, hilarious joke of a hypocrite.

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

You know what I’ve noticed? Every time someone tries to attack MGTOW, there’s always something the critic says or does that shows the hypocrisy of their morals and words.

Don’t listen to this fool.

[chirParticipant]

Last comment from me on this.
Under Network,
I disappointed to tell you but your OP, is not a rational discussion on putting forth your position that MGTOW has become feminism. You are preaching, or in another turn simply telling us what you already know in your mind as fact. There is no room for rational discussion. There was no asking questions and providing references. There was simply your opinion which was the only truth for you and based on your OP there was no discussion to be had about your truth and its accuracy.

So in summary there is no truth but yours, its not open for discussion (even though you post it on a discussion forum), and we are all wrong and irrelevant to your opinion.

You appear to be behaving as a SJW.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Anonymous wrote:

It is official MGTOW is dead to me and it is good that I have outgrown it long ago. I have no intention of supporting MGTOW than I already have.

This is proof of the limited understanding. You don’t “support MGTOW”. You just do it. If anything, the MGTOW “Community” supports you by sharing knowledge and experience and letting you know, particularly in those early days of burgeoning awareness, that you’re not the only man out there.

Not support MGTOW. That’s like saying you don’t support feet.

[GambitParticipant 178]

If people really wanted to leave they wouldn’t make posts like these. Under is making a post like this in hopes we’re going to beg him not to leave us like a c~~~ posts on their Facebook wall stating she’s leaving in order to gain more attention and start more drama.

I bet Under is still reading these posts logged out of his account.

[Anonymous 42]

Gambit wrote:

Under is making a post like this in hopes we’re going to beg him not to leave us like a c~~~ posts on their Facebook wall stating she’s leaving in order to gain more attention and start more drama.

Well said Gambit! you described female mechanics perfectly!

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

You are not a mgtow ,you.probably some dumb mangina or a feminist now be gone plz

[Anonymous 12]

I have for quite some time believed that MGTOW is a true Feminism/Equality in process.

I mean that seriously and positively. MGTOW don’t care that women are women, MGTOW don’t believe that women should be treated any better or differently because they are women, MGTOW don’t want to get a woman pregnant and therefore use her as a baby maker.

There are many other factors but MGTOW are the least sexist people around, and provide exactly what women have always said they want but of course women never mean what they say.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Calling anyone that doesn’t agree with you a troll is no different than labeling a true patriot of his own country as a terrorist simply because he refuses to justify in the consequences of his own actions

You are an idiot you told us we are whining. If that’s not trolling I don’t know what is. If we are whining why the f~~~ are you still here? LOL
Why don’t you just ? If we are whining you’re whining too.
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"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Meanwhile true MGTOW that are truly going their own way are not wasting their precious time ranking up points on who can be the loudest and whiniest of the group. You all know who you are. Because anyone higher than a triple digit has clearly spent too much of their time here on the forums and not spending their time on more productive activities.

Clear you don’t have a clue. Sandman makes videos to make money and get popular as possible and we have talked about this. Many of us don’t considered sandman a true mgtow because he called monk mgtow cowards.

Why are you here if we are wasting our time? Doesn’t mean you’re wasting your time too?
Nobody controls mgtow including you. Nobody can lead or try to lead.
Whiniest? LOL And you think that’s not trolling? If we’re whining you’re whining too. Maybe it’s time for you to look in the mirror.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Anonymous 5]

Keymaster wrote:

“The point” was addressed directly and flattened by men of history

pffft, you only covered some A.D. so let’s look at some B.C.

Homer is acknowledged by current scholars, and the ancient Greeks, as the first and greatest of the Greek poets.
He talks of Odysseus (Ulysses in Roman) in the Odyssey and his encounters with women and the tricks they used to entrap, imprison and manipulate men.
The Odyssey is about a man bucking the system and going his own way,,,and women and their nature are the biggest dangers to a man’s existence.

Calypso promised Odysseus eternal youth and kept him trapped on her island for eight years, against his will. If it wasn’t for the intervention of Zeus she’d had never freed him.
Homer wrote that Calypso had no sympathy for what Odysseus wanted.

He then met Circe who turned his men to swine, a resource for later slaughter.
Odysseus was warned of her nature so her first tricks of drugging and magic didn’t work.
She then threw herself onto the floor and tried tears, and then tried getting him into bed (sound familiar?)
Then she tried praise,,,lol,,,(reverse shaming)

He encountered the Sirens (NAWALTS) but had Red Pill warning and plugged his crews ears and then tied himself to the mast so he could experience their allure without being wrecked on the reef of reality that romantic love invariably leads to.

But let’s go back thousands of years more to the cradle of civilization between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, Mesopotamia.
Cuneiform script was the first known writing and the first written story we have in human history is “The Epic of Gilgamesh”
Here’s what happened to Gilgamesh when dealing with Ishtar, the goddess of love
,,,,,,,,,,,”When Gilgamesh, having learned from the fates of his predecessors, turned down Ishtar’s advances, what did she do? Feeling spurned, she caused her father Anu, god of the heavens and father of the gods, to create a heaven bull which devoured Gilgamesh’s warriors, killing hundreds before it was slain by Gilgamesh and Enkidu, his partner in arms.
Ah Ishtar, terrible Ishtar; cruel, callous and capricious goddess of love, whose embrace may neither be accepted nor spumed without danger!
Ah Ishtar, personification of the terrible core of woman-in-love, as men experience her!” ,,,sound familiar?

Do some googling to find out what a c~~~ Ishtar was,,,how she ruthlessly manipulated men as work horses (providers) and lions (protectors)

Not a single tenet of MGTOW has changed since the beginning of recorded time.
It’s difficult to reconcile this with a comparison of MGTOW to Feminism,,,which is now on it’s 4th (wave) change of philosophy in about 50 years.

Please, give one example of what you’re “protesting” against. Any example, just one.
Don’t use a bitch tactic and accuse us of negatives that haven’t happened, but what you claim are going to happen and then launch into shaming tactics (that we’re all sheep, not REAL MEN!!!)
We can’t disprove or defend against a future hypothetical negative.
You sound like a bitch I was once married to.

[MecklotParticipant 608]

God damn it, this is too basic. We had a mental guy off his prescription drugs on these forums a week ago. Trust me, she raised the bar. Best show so far in my opinion. You are going to have to step it up.

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t want the MGTOW concept to snowball into a bigger problem than it already is.

This is my second post in this forum and I have read a lot to get some understanding over the last thirteen or fourteen months.
I fail to see how you see it as a concept and more importantly why you are saying that it is a problem turning into even a bigger problem ? I think your concept of MGTOW is either flawed or you never tried to understand it’s philosophy and how it helps men in an ever increasing hostile social environment. If you feel safe being a female doormat, by all means prostrate yourself for them and good luck.

Zero Tolerance

[Anonymous 11]

Anonymous wrote:

I have ascended above MGTOW and have taken the much superior pill of the two: The Golden Pill.

I think you’ve mistaken your Golden Vagina for a pill.

Anonymous wrote:

Meanwhile true MGTOW that are truly going their own way are not wasting their precious time ranking up points on who can be the loudest and whiniest of the group.

Tower and I are the most obnoxious of this group and damn proud of it. I don’t really care about my points. I’ve been here a while and some of what I say obviously resonates. The only thing I consider wasted time is reading your discordant drivel.

Are you petty jealous? That’s a woman’s calling card and and a mangina’s too.

Anonymous wrote:

everyone can hide behind a mask and cause disarray,defamation and destruction

Are you projecting or something? I tell people the same s~~~ I write here straight to their faces.

Anonymous wrote:

Because anyone higher than a triple digit has clearly spent too much of their time here on the forums and not spending their time on more productive activities.

I’m slightly higher than triple digits. I work 12 hours a day 5 days a week and weekends too on business dealing with multi-million dollar clients. I’m not going to mention the never ending domestic work on a house I own free and clear of any mortgage. Unproven accusations are a c~~~ and mangina’s stock in trade.

Anonymous wrote:

Goodbye MGTOW it was a good philosophy

Is it tampon changing time now or do you have to lick your dominatrix’s feet. Which is it?

Insults inspired by Code Bunker. Thanks Bro!

Please move this f~~~tard simpleton to spectator.

[Anonymous 42]

Thanks C-Pig for the recognition of “most obnoxious” like you I’m a “straight shooter”, and I do no hide behind anonymity throwing stones from a secluded location, look at my avatar, I’m hiding nothing! I like you boldly smash through ignorance with the shield of truth! That’s what real men do!

I’m not here to waste more time on those that would undermine the truth, they don’t matter. I’m here to encourage, enrage, by all accounts only telling the truth!

Let the sparks fly in this fireworks factory we call society, I don’t give a f~~~, I’m all through with walking on eggshells shattered glass being told to my face it’s not glass, it’s a plush pillow, silky smooth.

No sir! I improvise! I cut a steel pipe in two, weld them together, sweep up the broken glass, pour into both tubes, mix up an explosive charge, place it in the breach, screw the pipe caps on tight, then aim it at the lie, fire, then watch it slowly die while sparkling and dripping blood, that’s what I do!

If I ever write another letter to 1600 Pennsylvanian AVE, Washington D.C. I promise I will share it with you!
My obnoxious crab shooting friend!

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Keymaster wrote:

The Under Network wrote:

Keymaster completely missed the entire point

Frank V. wrote:

know KeyMaster is a big fan of Ayn Rand

Hardly. I have watched her on the Phil Donahue show , listened to maybe 2 hours of audio, and know about 3 Rand quotes by heart. That’s about the size of it.

I was a bigger fan of Michael Jackson. I saw him in concert 4 times, and know the lyrics to Billie Jean, but I never bought a Rand book.

Consider me corrected on a mistaken impression then. I do get my wires crossed sometimes.

Frank V.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Looking back on this thread, another thing this “guy” did was the thing Keymaster spoke of, where a woman walks into a room full of guys, and no-one notices her. She then flips her hair as she says, “What?! Are you all GAY? I’m done with this!”, as if she were doing the rejecting in the first place.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Anonymous wrote:

Introduction

I had already made several posts in the past about the slow decay of the MGTOW community and… etc

Meh, I wouldn’t worry about it so much as long as it doesn’t become a enforced echo chamber, devoid of humor, full of butthurt and perpetually offended. The “alt-right” (Milo, Crowder, and etc) has been keeping a good balance and example somewhat of how we should carry ourselves.

I like being offensive. I love trolling people. A good man will quip back and have a laugh with me as the world burns. As long as we don’t go PC police, MGTOW will be fine.

I’m more worried some MGTOW being rather f~~gy and not going “swiggy.. swooty… coming for that booty” when the ass is on your lap. Just hit and run f~~~~~s. Like Bond taught you. Hit it and run.

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