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Read the bible alone, discuss what you find with people around you. You will be given understanding of these words if you return to them day after day. Stay away from the preachers and the mainstream and you´ll be fine, this book isn´t going to bite you.
NT John 14:26 – ¨But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and will cause you to remember everything I said to you.¨
I had not noticed these things before I became cognizant of MGTOW. Here are just a few short MGTOW-related verses I have chosen to break down.
OT Genesis 3:12 – The man said, ¨The woman whom you gave me, she gave me some fruit from the tree and I ate it.¨
Theme – Woman, not able to follow instruction from the Lord, ate from the tree of knowledge first. The Man was convinced by Woman, and was equally led astray from the Lord.
Lesson – Do not be deceived by Woman. Be wary when the Woman believes she knows the truth.OT Genesis 3:15 – ¨And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring´s heel.¨
Theme – There will always be disharmony between the sexes. The female generations will make your head hurt (not only through violence, words and actions count too!) All you will be able to do is try to slow her down, it is inevitable and in her nature.
Lesson – This describes their natural state. Anything they have learnt from man to move away from this state is only temporary or a slowing down of the process.NT John 4:16 – He (Jesus) said to her, ¨Go call your husband and come back here.¨ The woman replied, ¨I have no husband.¨ Jesus said to her, ¨Right you are when you said, ¨I have no husband,¨ for you have had five husbands, and the man you are living with now is not your husband. This you said truthfully!¨
Theme – This Samaritan woman has no husband, but she lives with a guy. She has slept around, Jesus knows this, and he says it to her face.
Lesson – Females sleep around. It is nothing new. It might be implied that this girl is hypergamous and jumping from man to man for her own perceived benefit. Hypergamy isn´t a byproduct of our generation, we are simply not allowed the reigns to control it, or even given a lens to perceive it.OT Gen 3:16 – ¨You will want to control your husband, but he will dominate you¨
NT Ephesians 5:22-24 – ¨Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord, because the husband is the head of the wife… …wives should submit to their husbands in everything.¨
Theme: Old Testament – Self explanatory. In a modern day context, this is still true, although there are newer legal methods to prevent from ¨side-effects¨ of male domination.
Theme: New Testament – Ephesians 5:22 to 33 Explicitly states firstly a wife´s obligation is to submit to her husband, then in subsequent verses it describes the man´s responsibility in reciprocating this through love. It does not change the OT position of natural human values, it is a set of values that can temper female control and male over-domination if upheld by both a wife and a husband.
Lesson – Wives who do not submit to their husbands in everything are in fact operating under the old ways, in line with the OT and their default human nature. They have stepped back from the trouble of mutual reciprocation that is outlined in this teaching from Ephesians. If we can not expect women to act in this NT way in this present day civilization context, then why should any man hold up our side of the bargain here. MGTOW is men regaining their natural power of domination in a peaceful manner, without marriage.1 Corinthians 7:8 – To the unmarried and widows I say that it is best for them to remain as I am. But if they do not have self-control, let them get married. For it is better to marry than to burn with sexual desire.
Theme – Paul is stating here that it is not better, but BEST to remain single as he is. His idea of marriage involves constant sexual devotion to each other. Look at the earlier part of Chapter 7.
Lesson – Modern day marriage/divorce legally do not care if you are getting laid regularly. Neither do many wives/girlfriends. It is certainly best to follow Paul in his advice.I am certain there are more insights and verses to share! Thanks for reading,
Lesson – Do not be deceived by Woman. Be wary when the Woman believes she knows the truth.
Lesson – Adam was the first mangina. Dont follow a womans lead. God held him accountable for his actions.
And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring´s heel.¨
The original text uses a word for her “desire” for him to be her wanting to rule over man.
The heal and offspring refference has been interpreted throughout theology to be a refference to God crushing Satan (the serpant) through his chosen people of Israel, in spite of the serpants attempt to kill Gods chosen people.
You will want to control your husband, but he will dominate you¨
This was a consequence of the curse. God initially made the female to be a help meet for man. But when God cursed mankind, the womans “desire” would now be to rule over man. A curse now.
Resident cynic.
I think there was a reason God said he’d put hostility between man and woman after BOTH sinned (I say BOTH because a lot of churches put blame strictly on Adam). The woman was the first to rebel, and I definitely don’t think their rebellious nature they have now is coincidental.
I also find it interesting how she got Adam to eat the fruit. I imagine her either seducing him or guilt-tripping him to do something he normally wouldn’t. A lot of men today make poor decisions that affect them for the rest of their lives (like Adam did) because they fell for a woman’s requests/demands.
I love finding MGTOW-esque verses throughout the Bible. Besides Christ (of course), Paul is one of my favorite guys in the New Testament; I consider him a hero in so many ways.
OT Genesis 3:15 – ¨And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring´s heel.¨
Theme – There will always be disharmony between the sexes. The female generations will make your head hurt (not only through violence, words and actions count too!) All you will be able to do is try to slow her down, it is inevitable and in her nature.
Lesson – This describes their natural state. Anything they have learnt from man to move away from this state is only temporary or a slowing down of the process.please note that god says this to the snake/satan. A Woman can be a church or a belief-system. In end time prophecy jesus will come back and marry his bride. The bride are his holy people, the ones that live by gods law such as the thora and the 10 commendments. The whore of babylon is also pictured as a woman. In prophetic words in the bible a woman is always a church or a belief-system and god is making a prophecy right there. ¨And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; ..”
Read it again… after he told this to the snake, he then speaks to Eve and after that to Adam.
In end time prophecy satans people will fight vs the true christians, the ones that follow jesus because hes the messiah and the way.P.S. : the church institutions such as the catholic church is not christian. Check out the so called ” christian ” holidays how they are worshipping false gods and not the god of the bible.
If religion works for you fine.
I say keep religion out of MGTOW, no exceptions.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.If religion works for you fine.
I say keep religion out of MGTOW, no exceptions.
The OP quoted a historical text that is thousands of years old. Hes not pushing or peddling “religion” on anyone. If all we can discuss here is: AWALT…RED PILL…WHITE KNIGHTS…Then this forum would have a short shelf life.
Are you so offended that someone quoted the bible? Who cares? I take it you find zero power in it. If thats the case then why is it a cause or case for concern from you? State your opionion or ignore it. Dont ban it.
Resident cynic.
My very personal view is that within every religion is a grain of spiritual truth wrapped in an ocean of dogma. I see the bible as a collection of mystery school texts, I think there are some very clear examples of this, but it all got a bit obfuscated after the council of Nicea when the whole thing turned into an elitist control system (yeah, thanks Constantine).
Was Jesus a teacher with some hidden knowledge? Yes, I think it’s possible – along the same lines of Hermes Trismegistus. Was he the son of god? No, I think that had more to do with trying to match the legend of Jesus to the Jewish messiah story.
But f~~~ it, it just seems to me that it’s all godstuff, Brahman, the Dao, the probability field, all the same.
The universe seems to exist to create complexity. If that’s the case, then we are a significant expression of complexity as conscious beings. Why is the universe, or the driving force behind it, deliberately setting up conditions in which consciousness can arise? Suspicious, huh?
I agree with you though, some very MGTOW passages in the bible.
Btw, I use Lucifer as my tag because the story of being cast out of heaven seems like a fitting metaphor for being cast out of society for challenging the accepted beliefs, no other reason. But old Lu is an interesting figure, Gnosticism has a very different interpretation of him.
We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda
Btw, I use Lucifer as my tag because the story of being cast out of heaven seems like a fitting metaphor for being cast out of society for challenging the accepted beliefs, no other reason. But old Lu is an interesting figure, Gnosticism has a very different interpretation of him.
Man, I have been wanting to ask you why you chose “Lucifer” as a screen name for a while. Reading your reply above I was about to respond and ask you, then I was pleasently surprised you mentioned it.
The title coupled with the ivory stone chiseled face is intriguing to say the least. I had my assumptions. You know that Lucifer means light bearer, and there are those esoteric elites who call themselves Luciferian, not necessarily because they believe in the scriptual version of Lucifer, but rather the symbolism.
They ironically believe that he is the bearer of enlightenment and liberty vis a vis a jealous God.
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I agree there is some symbolic importance with MGTOW. Lucifer was the FIRST and ORIGINAL sinner. What was the fall of this creature? Beauty and vanity. He was so beautiful and vain thatmany angels bowed down to his beauty, and he desired to be worshipped as a result.
That reminds me of women.
The ORIGINAL sinner desired to be worshipped out of vanity for his beauty.
Resident cynic.
I was brought up a Catholic & educated in a monastery school.
I did not like it …. especially the ‘fiddling’ with us kids.
However, that aside, when reading the bible it always struck me that Jesus & deciples were either gay or mgtow.
In my heart …. if they ever were real … I go with the latter.
Anonymous42If religion works for you fine.
I say keep religion out of MGTOW, no exceptions.
Lets step outside “religion” and into recorded history, I’ll keep it simple by focusing on some musical lyrics……
Ya got everyone throughout history saying women are evil misguided creatures, even GOD, what more do you need???
And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring´s heel.¨
The original text uses a word for her “desire” for him to be her wanting to rule over man.The heal and offspring refference has been interpreted throughout theology to be a refference to God crushing Satan (the serpant) through his chosen people of Israel, in spite of the serpants attempt to kill Gods chosen people.
I started writing my comment when there were no comments yet. Well youre right on… with less words.
You cant just quote the bible without knowing how to interprete the words right and without the context given, when it comes to a prophecy.
The bible uses flowery language when it comes to prophecies always!
God didnt mean to make men and women to be hostile to each other! Hes telling Satan, that he will pay for that one!Lucifer means “bringer of light” by the way. Something to ponder.
If Jesus and his disciples were gay, then one of the Pharisees would have used it against them. A gay Jewish boy in that time and place was subject to death by stoning.
Remember how a Pharisee was always showing up and throwing a trick question to Jesus? I believe they would have used the butt-boy charge against Him if they thought they could. Really, who would have passed up a chance to get them all stoned to death if they could have pulled it off?
Following this train of thought, it makes sense to think JC was married. In that culture, a man was literally obligated to be married. Surely some Pharisee or other would have played the “how come y’all ain’t married?” card if it were an option.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Lucifer means “bringer of light” by the way. Something to ponder.
If Jesus and his disciples were gay, then one of the Pharisees would have used it against them. A gay Jewish boy in that time and place was subject to death by stoning.
Remember how a Pharisee was always showing up and throwing a trick question to Jesus? I believe they would have used the butt-boy charge against Him if they thought they could. Really, who would have passed up a chance to get them all stoned to death if they could have pulled it off?
Following this train of thought, it makes sense to think JC was married. In that culture, a man was literally obligated to be married. Surely some Pharisee or other would have played the “how come y’all ain’t married?” card if it were an option.
As I was reading this my mind started playing Monty Python Life of Brian scenes … he’s not the Messiah … he’s a gay ….. a gay what …. a gay ….
I did eventually stop that mind loop and finish your post.
Sorry bout that ☺
The heal and offspring refference has been interpreted throughout theology to be a refference to God crushing Satan (the serpant) through his chosen people of Israel, in spite of the serpants attempt to kill Gods chosen people.
You cant just quote the bible without knowing how to interprete the words right and without the context given, when it comes to a prophecy.
The bible uses flowery language when it comes to prophecies always!
God didnt mean to make men and women to be hostile to each other! Hes telling Satan, that he will pay for that one!I see I have misread Gen 3:15 as being between the man and the woman. It is actually between the serpent and woman. My mistake!
Yeah, there were couple of Popes named Lucifer, just because it meant bringer of light in latin. But the planet Venus, the bringer of dawn, and the nickname for the Large Binocular Telescope in Arizona which has been kicking out amazing images with it’s red and blue CCD eyes.
Btw, if he’s scaring you old farts out there I can switch him for a caterpillar or something, wouldn’t want you lads having a funny turn, you’re not getting any younger. 😉
We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda
Btw, if he’s scaring you old farts out there I can switch him for a caterpillar or something, wouldn’t want you lads having a funny turn, you’re not getting any younger.
Hardee-F~~~ing-Har mother f~~~er?!
Just how old do you think we are? Lol.
Resident cynic.
I think there was a reason God said he’d put hostility between man and woman after BOTH sinned (I say BOTH because a lot of churches put blame strictly on Adam). The woman was the first to rebel, and I definitely don’t think their rebellious nature they have now is coincidental.
I also find it interesting how she got Adam to eat the fruit. I imagine her either seducing him or guilt-tripping him to do something he normally wouldn’t. A lot of men today make poor decisions that affect them for the rest of their lives (like Adam did) because they fell for a woman’s requests/demands.
I love finding MGTOW-esque verses throughout the Bible. Besides Christ (of course), Paul is one of my favorite guys in the New Testament; I consider him a hero in so many ways.
@MegaChris% You said it for me. You nailed it right on the head, man.
The reason lucifer went to Eve with his bulls~~~ about “you’ll be like gods” is because he knew her nature, knew she was most vain out of the two and most selfish. God Himself encoded it that way in the female genome. He wrote out our very Being into DNA as an artist paints a chef d’oeuvre. The credit ALWAYS goes to the Creator, even if we little minds cannot fathom how evil can be used for good and how a single good can prevail over legions of demons. But Christ could show us better than he could tell us. That is why countless Men died to keep the Letters safe until the Church was out of persecution.
The nature of Man and Woman are spelled out in detail in the good book along with so many other great things!
Feminists and menginas prefer to see an evil god, death and destruction in the Bible. They prefer to see evil Patriarchy and war in it… A stranger told me once that the Bible is really like a mirror. Sent me thinking long about that.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!quote “I see I have misread Gen 3:15 as being between the man and the woman. It is actually between the serpent and woman. My mistake!”
It is between the people who follow the serpant ( most people ) and the people who follow gods law ( few people ). In biblical prophecy a woman is not a real woman.
A stranger told me once that the Bible is really like a mirror.
This is precisely what every Judeo-Christian critique never comprehends: the law was given not as a means for men to achieve salvation, but rather a reflection to demonstrate man never could avhieve it on his own.
Man could never live up to Gods standards and this was exemplified further in the New Covenant when Christ revealed the extent of the law to mans heart/desires and not merely actions.
So many people misundersrand the teaching and theyll say things like “well you believe all gays are sinners”…Ya, I believe were ALL sinners, myself included.
The term ‘sin’ comes from archery. Anything that was short of a bulls eye was a ‘sin’. Were all far short of a bulls eye.
Resident cynic.
what are you saying? thats its impossible to hold the 10 commendments?
1. God knows we cannot rule over each other successfully.
2. If you accept Gods authority then you follow his rules, thats the way you show your love for god.Its not easy to hold his commendments as satan will s~~~-test us til the end of time ( not the end of the world ) but it can be done of course.
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