MGTOW, I need advice

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

Dear Mgtow brothers. I come to you today humble, asking for some advice. This has been on my mind for the past few years and I still can’t figure out an answer to it.

A little of my background- I am currently 24. I have dated girls before I went mgtow. And when I say dated, I mean I was the blue pill guy who treated them to restaurants and got them gifts with the occasional “I love you’s” being said. Now, ever since I decided to follow mgtow, I stopped dating altogether. The only thing I find myself doing lately, if the opportunity presents itself, is to go the way of Tom Leykis for some ‘pump and dump’ and maybe friends with benefits action if the chick is cool enough. At this stage of my life, with my hormones and sex drive raging, I just can’t….I am sorry I am going to be honest… I DO NOT WANT TO become a full pledged red piller.

Now to my dilemma…It lies with my exes. I always was picky of who i had sex with and who I dated, therefore I was never subject to all the single mom and fat slob woman f~~~ up idea. All my women were educated, with good careers and very good looking. When I was dating I had a rule as to when I leave a person or that person leaves me, I would never give them another chance. I would not give them the time of a day. I would give them nothing.

Now, becoming older, more mature, more experienced in the ways of Tom Leykis and the whole bad boy ‘pump and dump strategy’ I started to question my old ways. I asked myself- what if an ex contacts me? What if she wants me? What if I run into them(very big possibility where I live). I am always bettering myself. I workout, do calisthenics, I am 6’4 and love to dress well. We all know those are buying factors for women and makes them want to have a certain part of you. Is it wrong of me to have another shot with an ex again and keep it strictly sexual, friends with benefits type of thing. I read all the horror stories of the consequences when dealing with exes. Them being pregnant. Them wanting money because they have nowhere to live. But like I mentioned before…That is not my situation. My exes are either nurses now, or financial/accounting analysts and doing extremely well. The only thing that would spark their interest would be my physical well being as well as my ambitious drive that I still have to this day.

Brothers, stealthy, key master…All the older more experienced mgtows. What are your thoughts? When dealing with exes, is it ever possible to just have fun with them until it lasts? Or there is always dire consequences. This chain of thinking has been driving me nuts for the last 2 years and I still cannot decide if the answer is yes or no. I did so much research, had so many conversations with my friends and the answers still come to be 50/50. Some say yes. Some say no. Please bro’s, give me a piece of your knowledge…and a good wake up call if I need it.
Truly humble for today. Mr. Kraft.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

There’s a reason they are ex-GF’s. They were not qualified to be your mate or the mother of your children.

It’s doubtful that will have changed if they do try to rekindle something with you. Wear double condoms and control the possession of said condoms when you’re finished.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Worrying about the future is the cause of anxiety. Wait until it happens before you think about it.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

Let me get this straight:
Your exs haven’t made any moved so far but you are already pandering over something that could might happen someday?

I advise you to stay away from romance with women altogether.

It cannot end well.
Doesn’t matter that they have jobs and no kids.
The sweeter the bait, the worse the trap.

And continue to be picky!
Get pickier by the day!

That’s how it started with me.

Before I went monk my standards where so high that I realized that no woman is ever going to meet them.

Let your standards go through the roof.
It’s the first step to liberation.

Never settle for less!
Never settle at all!

Monk

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

Meister wrote:

Let me get this straight:
Your exs haven’t made any moved so far but you are already pandering over something that could might happen someday?

You misunderstood. They had. In the past. But that was when I was younger so I just chose to ignore them.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Meister wrote:

Let me get this straight:
Your exs haven’t made any moved so far but you are already pandering over something that could might happen someday?

You misunderstood. They had. In the past. But that was when I was younger so I just chose to ignore them.

I think you know that we will all tell you to continue to ignore them.

And consider a vasectomy.

Monk

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

At this stage of my life, with my hormones and sex drive raging, I just can’t….I am sorry I am going to be honest… I DO NOT WANT TO become a full pledged red piller.

A “full pledged red piller” as you put it can still have sex with women. That’s completely up to each man’s desires. I think you maybe confusing this with a man that has chosen to go “monk”. When a man “chooses” to go “monk” then he also “chooses” not to have sex with women, and usually other sexual acts like masturbation and pornography are also avoided.

A Man Going His Own Way, makes his OWN choices about what type of lifestyle is appropriate for himself.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’ll try to make this as simple as possible.

There are three types of ex girlfriends:

1) Women you had fun with and remember fondly but moved on from for reasons that were not painful or acrimonious. These women, if they’re still desirable, you can hook up with now and then “for old time’s sake” when you’re both between other opportunities.

2) Women you got separated from and then developed sibling-like relationships with after the fact. You probably wouldn’t want these women again and if they offered themselves to you, it would probably just be sad.

3) Women you ran screaming from. These women will come back into your life for nefarious purposes, offering to be fun and cool but secretly looking to get back at you for leaving them the first time.

First off, you should get a vasectomy no matter what you’re doing. Any woman could try to trap you with a baby and it would essentially be the end of your life. If you don’t have a vasectomy, exercise extreme condom control measures. Bring your own, use it ever time and despose of it yourself by flushing it. Don’t even let a woman blow you (unless you force them to swallow, show you the empty mouth and gargle with lysterine after) as they can save semen for later use if you’re not paying full attention.

Now. Should you hook up with ex type 1 above? Sure, why not. Exes can be good for a romp now and then. Just keep them at arms length. Type 2 is weird and sad and type 3 is absolutely no-fly.

Does that help?

[bladeParticipant]

Are you thinking of having a relationship with one of these chicks so you have pussy on tap for your raging hormones ?

Or is it your lack of understanding of the red pill like awakend mentioned ?

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 43]

Spermjacking is nasty business, yo.

One of the benefits of saying no and staying away from women. Nothing positive, and all negative.

surprise babies, STD, bats~~~ crazy hormonal s~~~, cat allergies, and f~~~ing up your life with drama. Where’s the upside to this?

I don’t understand this I don’t want to be red pill. To me its one or the other. Red pill and tell women to go f~~~ themselves, or blue pill and put me back in the choke collar. Maybe because I always thought sex was disgusting that made my choice easier. Knowing women’s true nature and still f~~~ing around with them is playing with fire.

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

There seems to be a paradox in what you’re trying to say. First you fret over your ex girlfriends and are anxiously waiting for what surprises that may await or not. Then you say you don’t want to be a red-piller but will still be under the influence of mgtow and then you say this

What are your thoughts? When dealing with exes, is it ever possible to just have fun with them until it lasts?

How can that even be? They are your ex for a good reason and to continue any relationship with them would just put you back under the radar of all those things you’re trying to avoid in the first place!

My suggestion to you is to let go and move on.

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Joey has it the same point I noticed. There is an apparent contradiction—if you have the raging hormones why waste them on a known quantity you have already rejected? (presumably for a good reason)

Some of us Red pillers go monk because we recognize that women under any circumstance cannot be trusted for any reason. So why enter a minefield if you don’t have to?

[RorschachParticipant 2083]

Awakened wrote:

A Man Going His Own Way, makes his OWN choices about what type of lifestyle is appropriate for himself.

I could not agree more. You can do anything you want as long as you aware that there will be consequences. Apparently there is some confusion about going your own way. If you accept the truth about the shaming, blaming, projection, deception, and other tactics that are used by women to MANipulate the situation then your already taking red pills, you just havent overdosed yet. MGTOW isn’t here to help you get laid or to tell you what the right or wrong thing is. All I can say is that it sounds like you need to read alot more of the brothers stories here, or you will need to learn the hard way. Your man sensors have tripped, there is a reason for that. If you ignore your internal sensors you will suffer, and the suffering can be very severe depending on the situation.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"....... and i'll look down and whisper "No."

[Anonymous 0]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Now, becoming older, more mature, more experienced in the ways of Tom Leykis and the whole bad boy ‘pump and dump strategy’ I started to question my old ways. I asked myself- what if an ex contacts me? What if she wants me? What if I run into them(very big possibility where I live).

As a rule, I think it’s bad to get back together with ex’s. Maybe on a one-time or very occasional basis. But to reconstruct a failed relationship (even if it’s just as a FWB), I would say no. Reasons:

1. Whenever ex’s came around and made themselves available to me for a second shot, I found that they were always expecting an upgrade compared to the old relationship, not a downgrade to sex toy. It seems they came around to give me “a second chance” and see if I had learned my lesson. They didn’t put it that way right out front, but when I fenced a bit with them over terms, I pretty quickly figured out that they were expecting me to be grateful for a second chance and expecting me to show it by giving them better terms than last time. Naturally, I told them to take a hike.

Frankly, no woman is going to return to a failed relationship in order to accept a worse deal than she had the first time around.

2. Rollo Tomassi is a Red Pill blogger who talks about PUA and dating rules for Red Pill guys. And he has addressed the issue of reconstructing failed relationships:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #7
It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.

Link: https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/08/rooting-through-garbage/

You can read the blog essay yourself at the link, above. But part of Tomassi’s reasoning is that “…healthy relationships are founded on genuine mutual desire, not a list of negotiated terms and obligations, and this is, by definition, exactly what any post-breakup relationship necessitates.” Tomassi talks about this elsewhere. Women like a little mystery in their relationships. The mystery was killed by the earlier break-up. Now it’s just scheduling and negotiations. If you try to negotiate something like a FWB, it’s just not going to last long. Again, it’s a downgrade to a sex toy, and most women just aren’t going to buy that. They may say they’ll be happy with just sex, but it won’t last.

Tomassi also points out that you’re just going to let yourself in for a dreary repeat of whatever problems you had before. Better to start fresh with a new face.

[WallyParticipant]

If you go down this road, mixing it up with exes it will not end up well for you I’m afraid. Just make sure to keep emotions out of it but this will be difficult. Nothing wrong with taking care of your physical needs at your age but be careful. My advice don’t do it with an ex.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[HitmanParticipant]

one chance per woman per lifetime.

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

Hitman wrote:

one chance per woman per lifetime.

The classic doc love quote. How could I have forgotten….

Thank you all. I don’t know wtf I was thinking. Sometimes its f~~~ing hard and you men are right, I am tripping myself inside my head. And yes you are also right, now that I think about it and put things into perspective, it DOES feel wrong to go back to something that didn’t work out. I would never do that for a job or a backstabbing friend, so why should I do it with a woman.

TwoStep, thank you for introducing me to the blog. I absolutely love those and will emerge myself sometime tomorrow.

Son, that’s a great breakdown. Very very close to the truth except for 1- when a bitch dumps you, not the other way around. Otherwise very good points.

Thanks everyone… Thanks for having my back and setting me straight.

[Anonymous 0]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

TwoStep, thank you for introducing me to the blog. I absolutely love those and will emerge myself sometime tomorrow.

Glad I could help.

Just FYI, Tomassi has published a couple books. I’ve read the first one, called “The Rational Male.” It basically compiles his best essays from the first two years of his blog. It groups the essays by subject and ties things together. Great book.

The book is here: https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Male-Rollo-Tomassi/dp/1492777862/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482330214&sr=1-1&keywords=the+rational+male

So when you get tired of poking around the blog at random, order up the book where the material is served to you in a more orderly fashion.

Also, there was also a recent thread here at MGTOW.com talking about Tomassi’s theories, if you want an advance idea of what you’ll find in Tomassi’s book: /forums/topic/the-awarness-rollo-t-blog/#post-374161

[007 (Reborn)Participant 1672]

Easy. My stalking ex called me today using a phone number I’d never seen before. I said “You have the wrong number.” Then hung up. Just block them out. They are ex’s for a damn reason. Don’t let them fool you into believing they changed. It is bulls~~~.

Pursuing Happiness and Freedom.

[Anonymous 42]

I never felt the true joy of happiness until I extracted myself from the life threatening game.

The dangers are too many and the rewards are null.

Life with modern women is like playing one-arm-bandit with a rattrap!

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