MGTOW: Common Denominator

[Sky-OParticipant 19032]

MGTOW common elements:

Logic, reason, critical thinking combined with experiences along with an ability to not only identify the truth but accept it and while knowing the world will not change: the power to maintain personnal sovereignty and live fulfilling lives exists within.

In a sense, as MGTOW, we are true outlaws, on a journey that was self chosen and consistent with what the awakening we all had requires.

We stand proud and although few right now. . . Our strength is

[Sky-OParticipant 19032]

Continued (my phone is f~~~ed). . . .

our strength is not in numbers but in ideals, truths and holding a man’s life, dreams and goals as an absolute value: and a value greater than any vagina or orgasm that would require the primary value be sacrificed for the chance to maintain access toa hole.

We are lone outlaws. But noble outlaws.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Snake wrote:

There is no grey. The truth is not what you want to believe it is, it simply is. You either accept the truth(red pill) or you live in your fantasy. I can wish to believe that gravity didn’t exist, or 2+2 = 5, but that is not true. You can believe that if you want, if that makes you feel “independent”, but it doesn’t mean you are right, or mgtow. True and False is not a “false dichotomy” it is the foundation of f~~~ing binary – the exact science used for you to spill your bibble babble on the f~~~ing internet.

 

Im sorry,are you not familiar with logical fallacies? False Dichotomy: a logical fallacy in which there are only two choices.

 

Yes Sir,

Im looking for a new pioneer. Apperantly you are NOT. Im seeking one in which I can enjoy my own agenda. Not one which is relegated to me…”

 

suck your red or blue pill darling”…

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I was expecting more from this forum…Time will tell.

 

Food for thougt: Men Going Their OWN Way: should not introduce one of TWO paths…

Men Going Their OWN Way:

Should, SIMPLY go their own way.

Resident cynic.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

AncientWisdom    You have expectations of a website?   That  is funny…

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Men’s experiences supports the Red Pill vs BluePill theory, nothing more nothing less. If disagree with the red pill then you disagree with men’s experiences considering they are together.

Men are taught to be emotionally sensitive, work hard and provide for a woman and you will live happy ever after. The red pill and men’s experiences shows that’s not true. It’s fine if you don’t buy that red pill theory and you don’t have to however you will more likely come to the same conclusion most men have. Open up your mind and heart that’s what men expect from each other. I had plenty of disagreements with other MGTOW and that’s ok because we can learn from each other.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Who are you to tell anyone that should do this or that? Most MGTOW don’t say should, they just talk about their points/conclusions or whatever and men can either take it in and follow or discard it. MGTOW has no leader. If you ask Keymaster we had heated debates. There is still things I disagree with other MGTOW men but I never tell people should do this or that. I might say this or that might be the right thing to do but that’s it.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[experiencedParticipant]

Well, then maybe you could start your own group, “men staying,  their own way.”

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

You can always go to this website it’s an MRA website. It might conform to more of your liking.

http://www.antimisandry.com/content/

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Anonymous 1]

@ancientwisdom

Ancientwisdom wrote:

I was looking for an environment in which modern men understand one another…not a cult like attitude towards superficial protocalls.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Whats amazing is that man go their own way, forces man into a false dichotomy: red pill or blue pill? My attraction to this site was its appeal of independence. I grew up in the influence of 70’s British punk. This IS independence! Now, here is this movement, which is a natural response to feminism, and they tell you : “There are two paths, both of which are predicated upon a film in the 90s. Choose one OR the other”. Is THIS men going their OWN way? Lol…NO, it is not! Men going their own way, dont require ANY sense of societies approval, I dont NEED, or require a film based in HOLLYWOOD with all of its propoganda, to TELL me what to believe.

From what I could see, you tried to put the mgtows in this site on a little box and failed. The only common denominators we have in common are: we all have dicks, and we all realize that society nowadays is gynocentric by nature and we all decided to walk away from it (not your provider, protector, sperm bank). From there each man is different.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

”Blue pill” vs “Red Pill” is in itself a false dichotomy: a logical fallacy. Two place us into two disrinct camps, is an oversimplification of the process.

There is no false dichotomy here. Is our society gynocentric or not? If you think there is a gray area, than please, by all means, tell me 1 law that benefits men and men only? What social assistance does the government for man unique needs? Where is the help for male suicides? For male homless or work deaths? Feel free to show your “gray area” at any time.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Good God, Im just amother dude exptessing himself, amongst other guys.

As for you expressing your point of view, no body is denying you that. However, don’t expect agreement just because: penis, or Mgtow. Women work that way, men don’t (well, Paul Elam work that way as well, as long as you agree with him).

Ancientwisdom wrote:

I was expecting more from this forum…Time will tell.

As for you expecting more from this site… Really? What, exactly, do you expect from a site other than discussion? Ego massage? Not happening.

So, as I said before, if you think our analogy of Blue Pill and Red Pill is false, please, elaborate. I am curious to see what your response would be, and what is all this “complexity” that we are missing.. It better not be a NAWALT argument though, that would be disappointing…

Cheers

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Common denominator?  Mmmmm….none of us really give a flying f~~~ what a gynocentric society “expects” of us as men.  We define our own identities and decide what roles we will or will not fulfill.  Other than that, every man decides what his own sovereignty looks like.  Some guys still play with fire but keep a Nomex suit handy.  Others just give up playing with fire.  To each their own….

So tell me,,,,how does that make you feel?

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[Puffin StuffParticipant 25019]

I was going my own way in marriage. So, when it didn’t work out if was no sweat off my brow. I expected it. The money ran low for less than one month and she was gone.

Do you think she ever for once thought, “Oh, this is so unfair to my loving husband Frank who not only goes way beyond what is recommended men do I especially did that with our son as I wanted an independent and loving relationship with my son. Knowing, from MGTOW sites that is very likely she will try to interfere with that relationship just the way TV, movies, their friends and their attorney advise them.

I think we all know there are actually no red pills or blue pills. There is no “alpha” or “beta”. These are shorthand expressions to bring across points which are very relevant to learning to go your own way and gives us a language to discuss it. For those reasons those expressions are useful.

Interesting little aside story. I was hanging out with my female friends 4 year old son the other day and took him down to the lake near my house and played sandcastles with him.

The very first thing he did was make a power hierarchy. Though out of the blue he tells me that the dog, Rosie, is the boss and I and he worked for Rosey. There were some men down by the sand and he had to get permission from the “sand king” to use the sand.

He then proceeded to boss me around getting him water and shrubs to make sand soup.

We live our life but are more aware of the dynamics because we have a language to think about it and here at MGTOW a language we can use to communicate with each other online.

Red pill/blue pill men and women haven’t evolved in over 50,000 years. There were no pills. It’s just an analogy.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I can’t stop to discuss or debate this thread …. I’ve just taken a RED PILL and the feeling of wanting to GO MY OWN WAY is kicking in.

Gotta mgtow now ….. sorry CommonD you’re holding me up 😆

[Big Viking Chef BVCParticipant 1286]

Again, no one is being forced to choose anything, and you sound like a woman, Ancientwisdom.  I’m calling it, guys.

“Is THIS Men Going Their Own Way?”   — You sound unimpressed.  Also, that sounds like shaming.  Your attack on this site is about as elegant as a rhino in a crystalware boutique.  You are a feminist talking down to men as you always have.

Personally, my socks were blown off by this site and the overwhelming intellectual capacity of it’s MENbers.  But that doesn’t seem to be your experience, so you can leave any time on your own, or experience the ejector seat.

It is so pathetic that you had to pretend to be something that you hate (men) in order to have your little fun disruption here.  Get out of the men’s room, perv.

BVC

Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.

[davParticipant 422]

@ AncientWisdom

“Now, here is this movement, which is a natural response to feminism, and they tell you : “There are two paths, both of which are predicated upon a film in the 90s. Choose one OR the other”.

Excuse me but this is, ahem, horses~~~. Haven’t seen anybody here tell anybody to choose anything. That’s a woman’s game right there. Women are the ones with the ultimatums.

“It’s me OR the dog” “It’s me OR the bike” “You propose OR it’s over” “Your career OR me” Sound familiar? We have all heard it before.

Don’t get too focused on the nouns, or color of pills. Go your own way.

 

 

[Big Viking Chef BVCParticipant 1286]

dav wrote:

Excuse me but this is, ahem, horses~~~. Haven’t seen anybody here tell anybody to choose anything. That’s a woman’s game right there. Women are the ones with the ultimatums.

I agree completely.  It’s projection.  When AncientWisdom comes here, that is what she sees because that is what she does.  I see freedom here.

BVC

Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.

[MitzrealParticipant 76]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

I aslo dont need a false dichotomy, based on bull s~~~ premises. If Im going to choose my OWN way, Ill choose it on my own

@ancient The dichotomy you see about red vs. blue is not a true dichotomy, its merely a metaphor for the paradigm shift that happens when you wake up to reality. What you’re arguing over has not real point (as far as antagonism and argument go). It serves merely to bring higher concepts down to a level easily understood for all men (a common denominator that you seek).

As far as the common denominator of MGTOW in my opinion (and only mine) it is realization that your life is yours and that there for your desires, wishes, and very sovereignty trump everything from the biological imperative (the need to find a woman and make babies, i.e. natures desire for a species to propagate) to the social propaganda that tells man to be a worthless and disposable producer to feed the government machine and their chained voting slaves…

False dichotomies are annoying, I get that but not everyone is capable of seeing reality color blind, in truth all of life’s situations are endless shades of gray.

However to be a sovereign being you must take a stand, you must define those things for which you live and in which you believe. This requires turning a monochrome world of higher thought and philosophy into a duochrome world of black and white.

Live your mental and spiritual life in the world of grays if that pleases you, but to successfully navigate the minefield that is modern life/society/and legal system one must carry this set of black and white tinted lenses. These lenses allow you to distinguish the traps from the trails… This doesn’t mean your philosophy or even life has to be black and white merely that in order to discern what is best for you and what is harmful the black and white lenses are necessary.

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