MGTOW as philosophy

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Over the last few months I have been pondering the idea of MGTOW and how it has personally affected my life. I also see a great deal of men who were previously married and can attest how the philosophy has changed their life for the better. I feel that the younger men who are just coming into their adult years can learn from this but also grasp what MGTOW is and isn’t. I know when I first started this journey my idea of MGTOW was very different than what it is today. So here are a few things I have learned and hopefully this will help the young bucks not spend so much time going over ground that others have discovered –

1. MGTOW, is not a movement. No matter how many people tell you that it is a movement or it is some response to feminism or it is the male version of feminism – it isn’t. For one, there is no one way or “right way” to be a MGTOW. MGTOW is and always has been a philosophy. A philosophy of self ownership. It is the radical notion that you the individual male and your happiness actually matters. That your life has more meaning than to be a f~~~ing workhorse or cannon fodder to serve in the protection of a woman. Pursue your dreams, do what you want to do – make your life more about getting laid or being a “good husband.”

2. Society will not change. No amount of arguing or reasoning is going to change that. We are dealing with thousands of years of evolutionary programming that has led men and women to be who they are. While it’s fun to keep railing about women being horrible and terrible understand this – women will be who they are and society will cater to them. Being bitter or angry about it isn’t going to solve anything outside of wasting your time and energy.

3. Time is your most valuable commodity. For you younger guys who are starting the journey into MGTOW, realize that time is your most precious commodity. It is here today but it can be gone in a blink of an eye. How you choose to spend that time, how you choose to use that commodity is what will allow you to realize your dreams and hopes.

4. Understanding of being alone. There is a vast difference between being alone and being lonely. Many younger men, especially those raised by single mothers have a real problem with the concept of being a solitary creature. It is why you see guys jump from relationship to relationship because the idea of being alone is something they were never taught. It is something only a man can teach you. Women need to have others around them, that is how they validate their existence. Men we don’t need this. It is why men can make friends and don’t have the incessant need to touch base with these friends all the time. We can see each other after years and just pick up and have a conversation like we just saw each other yesterday. Being alone is not something to fear, it is something to embrace.

5. Always view women as what they are, a commodity. The world around you will tell you that women are an investment and that women can enrich your life. Personally, I have never seen an example where a woman has done any such thing. More than anything having a woman in your life is a leech on your time and money. There is a video in which Marc Rudov highlights this with a story. Brother and sister are having a conversation, brother asks sister how come you always have money and I don’t. Sister replies, well that’s simple – I have a boyfriend and you have a girlfriend. A lot of men don’t understand this fact and a women hide this behind love and other such nonsense. Society expects you the man to sacrifice his time, money, strength for the women and offspring (whether they are yours or not it doesn’t matter). What matters is that you the male being squeezed and then discarded once your usefulness has passed.

[CthulhuParticipant 698]

See? That’s some straight truth right there. Lurkers and casual readers would do well to learn these truths.

Why vote for a lesser evil? #ICETHEMOUT

[ghostParticipant]

Great post, froghorn.

[Bloody HeartlandParticipant 693]

Not having focused on chasing women or getting dates has left me with a lot of free time to think about myself for once. A crucial part seems to be the difference in thinking of yourself in relation to women, or even the world around you, compared to just you by yourself, on your own merits. From a young age we are all taught that our worth is only what we can provide for society – I think it’s time we’ve changed that.

"I have the fury of my own momentum." "With this ring I thee wed. Fire walk with me."

[ghostParticipant]

foghornleghorn wrote:

2. Society will not change. No amount of arguing or reasoning is going to change that. We are dealing with thousands of years of evolutionary programming that has led men and women to be who they are. While it’s fun to keep railing about women being horrible and terrible understand this – women will be who they are and society will cater to them. Being bitter or angry about it isn’t going to solve anything outside of wasting your time and energy.

This is GOLD.

[Anonymous 54]

Especialy the part about being alone.

Young Men should learn how to cook, and get GOOD at being alone.

Learn to treat yourself like a special guest.

[ghostParticipant]

Honestly, everything is GOLD in this post. This thread should be PINNED.

[DocParticipant]

Foghorn I agree with much of what you said

But – and I have said this before – despite each of us going our own way, that very notion creates a collective. We may each have our own philosophy, thoughts feelings directions etc but the simple fact we beleive we need to walk away from women forms a collective way of thinking – which by definition is a movement.
Ok

The dictionary describes a movement as ‘an Abundance of events’ we have abundantly all moved away from women.

By that definition MGTOW is a movement.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Doc wrote:

But – and I have said this before – despite each of us going our own way, that very notion creates a collective. We may each have our own philosophy, thoughts feelings directions etc but the simple fact we beleive we need to walk away from women forms a collective way of thinking – which by definition is a movement.
Ok

A collective only in the sense of walking away from societal expectations of us. While you say that we are walking away from women the simple fact that we each decide to what degree we walk away from women prevents this from being some overarching collective. Some of us go monk, some decide to continue dating women, some decide to only sleep with women. Also a collective does not a movement make. We all share traits of what we recognize but that doesn’t mean that we are advocating for anything. There are no policy changes we want and there certainly are no demands that we are making from the status quo. The fact that men are walking away and societies question of why is met with a wall of silence is why it is so devastatingly effective.

[Anonymous 1]

Being lonely is just an emotion/feeling. And it’s ok to feel that way and many other feelings. If you base your decisions on feelings that a story many of us know too well.

Being alone is the physical lack of people around you.

[DocParticipant]

foghornleghorn wrote:

DocDJ wrote:

But – and I have said this before – despite each of us going our own way, that very notion creates a collective. We may each have our own philosophy, thoughts feelings directions etc but the simple fact we beleive we need to walk away from women forms a collective way of thinking – which by definition is a movement.
Ok

A collective only in the sense of walking away from societal expectations of us. While you say that we are walking away from women the simple fact that we each decide to what degree we walk away from women prevents this from being some overarching collective. Some of us go monk, some decide to continue dating women, some decide to only sleep with women. Also a collective does not a movement make. We all share traits of what we recognize but that doesn’t mean that we are advocating for anything. There are no policy changes we want and there certainly are no demands that we are making from the status quo. The fact that men are walking away and societies question of why is met with a wall of silence is why it is so devastatingly effective.

Agree but the single abundant thing is a move away from women

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Doc wrote:

Agree but the single abundant thing is a move away from women

When you take a no-f~~~s approach to life with your happiness and freedom at it’s forefront, that’s going to naturally happen.

[ghostParticipant]

foghornleghorn wrote:

no-f~~~s approach to life

I like that, Foghorn.

[DocParticipant]

foghornleghorn wrote:

DocDJ wrote:

Agree but the single abundant thing is a move away from women

When you take a no-f~~~s approach to life with your happiness and freedom at it’s forefront, that’s going to naturally happen.

You are right.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Anonymous wrote:

Being lonely is just an emotion/feeling. And it’s ok to feel that way and many other feelings. If you base your decisions on feelings that a story many of us know too well.

Being alone is the physical lack of people around you.

True, but many young men have trouble identifying the difference between the two. They break up with a girl and immediately jump into another relationship because they constantly need a chick around. Personally, I enjoy walking into my home and not having anyone there.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

You thought that one through really well! Good post

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I like this post. @doc I get your point, but there is no collective. So far it’s 30k men moving in their own direction, sometimes coming together here. But a movement requires common goals, an agenda if you will.

I won’t be marching, I won’t be picketing, as a matter of fact I’ll be damn hard to point out in a crowd; even though I am very distinctive by my appearance.

@foghorn, this list is good. It sums up the best of why to choose MGTOW without being apologetic to our multiple detractors.

Leave us alone, we’re vapor. We can’t be caught, pinned down, or quantified. Demonizing the idea of men choosing themselves is perilous. The best case scenario is shaming some men back onto the plantation, the worst case is destroying male/female relationships forever.

Choose well, MGTOW are gone already. The other 3.5 billion males are waiting for your answer as to why life with women is better than unc~~~ing.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[OldBillParticipant]

Superb post, Foghorn. I wish every prospective member had to read it before joining.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

ghost wrote:

foghornleghorn wrote:

no-f~~~s approach to life

I like that, Foghorn.

It’s liberating when you don’t validate your life based on another person’s opinion of you.

[ghostParticipant]

foghornleghorn wrote:

It’s liberating when you don’t validate your life based on another person’s opinion of you.

Indeed.

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