MGTOW and Homosexual Men

[SubtilitasParticipant 101]

sidecar wrote:

Oh no. Women are far FAR hornier than men. You have no idea. They’re just very indirect about it. Men are, as you have yourself observed, whether straight or gay, direct and up front about sex. So men appear on the surface to be more interested in sex, but that appearance is deceiving. No man anywhere, straight or gay, obsesses about sex like how women do.

That’s a good point. Maybe you could specify? Having had predominantly female friends, I know they talk a lot about sex, men and what arouses them in which way, but I have got also the impression that women do not get horny at least in that regard as their arousal doesn’t come as strong and in such a rush as it does in men. Do you really think they’re just concealing it better?

[Anonymous 2]

I don’t care whether a man is gay or not, as long as he is anti-gynocentrism. Feminist policies hurt ALL men. Gay men are not exempt from serving longer jail sentences than women, and they don’t get any extra sympathy from society because they are still men. If they commit suicide, society will still look the other way, because they are men. The more men that turn their backs on the gynocentric system, the better.

[bomwaParticipant 488]

Well subtitilas I’m glad to hear that you’re growing a beard, so to speak.

I used to have a serious problem with gays. Anything to do with gayness disgusted me.

However, now I see that it is actually the caricature of gayness that disgusts me. That caricature of a feminised, pansy. But really, that caricature is what the system wants gay people to behave like. It is a stereotype being reinforced because those feminised gays are so much easier to control.

We are led to believe that gayness = effeminate. This, as I am just beginning to realise, is bulls~~~. The reason it is bulls~~~ is because the hundreds of millions of feminised, blue-pill manginas are living proof that straight men can be effeminate too. What is the common factor/s found in effeminate gays and effeminate heteromen?

I believe that question is what drives the red-pill man in his quest for knowledge. He wants to know how he can regain his personal sovereignty. So he first endeavours to find out what is robbing him of it.

What do you think Tom of Finland thought of the effeminate gay stereotype?

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

bomwa made some great points. Keymaster too. A lot of great comments in this thread.

As someone who worked at a “Gay Bookstore” in the 1990’s, I had a chance to learn a lot.

1. I have more respect for a gay man who refuses to let himself become a utility to women than I do for a straight mangina who lets himself get walked on like a rug. Don’t be fooled, women will try to use gay men like fashion accessories and that is worse than the “objectification” than they complain about.

2. A gay man I worked with became a regular drinking buddy. He was a total class act and never hit on me. But I remember the first time I hung out with him, and he got a few drinks in him, he loosened up enough to want to ask me “how do you straight guys put up with it ?” He made it clear, he would never take the s~~~ from another man that many straight men put up with from women. Knowing him for a few years, I got to know he meant it too !

3. My cousin growing up was a lesbian. Before the “Red Pill”, she gave me what she called “The Inoculation” and told me the truth about women. She worked with men in remodeling and started to feel more at ease with “cool men” than the majority of straight women. She thought they where nothing but manipulative users. She used to visibly cringe when recalling the stories straight women told her about how they used men.

4. Effeminate gays are considered more “acceptable” by some of these feminists because they don’t have so much “toxic masculinity”. A friend of mine who is an ex “male feminist” (I know you are lurking) has started telling me a lot about the real history of feminists hating and then using gay men. Act too much like man, you will be attacked.

I get a sense that there are a growing number of gay men who are sick of being used and watching straight men get walked on. They know being “male” makes then a target at some time, especially if they act like a man.

Welcome aboard subtitilas ! The agreement on signing up asks if you are a man of your word. Nothing is said about bi/gay, color or anything else.

F~~~ Identity Politics !

Frank V.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Subtilitas wrote:

That’s a good point. Maybe you could specify? Having had predominantly female friends, I know they talk a lot about sex, men and what arouses them in which way, but I have got also the impression that women do not get horny at least in that regard as their arousal doesn’t come as strong and in such a rush as it does in men. Do you really think they’re just concealing it better?

It’s a lot easier to hide a damp vagina than an erect penis, especially in this day and age of perfumes and deodorants and smoke and whatnot.

I’ve covered this before here, and yes, women are by and large far far hornier than men.

It’s a direct result of our biology. Each woman has from birth only a very limited supply of eggs, and those eggs have a definite expiration date. Worse for her, the abnormally long time between conception and weaning in humans further severely limits her opportunities for reproduction. Humans almost exclusively have only a single child per pregnancy. More than two is almost unheard of without modern medical intervention. Add to that the fact that before the last hundred years or so without our modern medicine and nutrition most pregnancies resulted in miscarriages and still births. Then there’s the high infant and child mortality that we used to have.

This all adds up to make a woman’s opportunities to reproduce her genome extremely limited compared to other mammals. So the selective pressure for pro-reproductive behaviors in women was extreme. This is one of the reasons for the hypersexuality of humans compared to other mammals, especially in women. The genes that didn’t encourage women to get out and f~~~ at every opportunity rapidly lost out in evolutionary competition to genes that do.

Meanwhile men have it a lot easier. Each man produces enough sperm every day to repopulate the planet. And he will continue being able to do this throughout his life. This means men are capable of spreading their seed as widely as possible, but it also means men have time. Men have opportunity to concentrate on things other than reproduction. So men do. Men enjoy sex, but they have a significantly lower opportunity cost of missing out on sex than women.

Then there are other complications like the extremely long childhoods of humans and the enormous cost in resources necessary to raise each generation. This expense has resulted in the natural division of reproductive responsibilities between men and women. Women have the monopoly on breeding, while men, thanks to their infinite reproductive capacity, have the lock on resource generation. Put bluntly, women are breeders and men are providers. Both are equally necessary to raising children into adults to keep the cycle going.

Those roles are deeply burned into our brains by a couple million years of natural selection. And you can observe this in humans if you observe them closely enough. You’ve already noticed this yourself how women talk so much about sex. It goes beyond even that, though. Listen to the other things women talk about as well. They talk about clothes – for attracting partners and competing with other females for partners. They talk about shoes – same reason. Also make-up – again for the same reason. They gossip about celebrities – who is and is not f~~~ing who. They talk about relationships – their own and other people’s – basically who is and is not f~~~ing who among people they know. And they talk about men.

The common thing to all these topics is they all boil down to reproduction and therefore sex. Which shouldn’t be surprising given their evolved role as breeders; you would expect them to obsess about it.

Now compare that to what men talk about. Women. Cars. Tools. Sports. Work. Apart from the subject of women it should be obvious that these topics all relate in some way to demonstrating, enhancing, testing, or describing their ability as providers. because that’s what men evolved to be: providers and protectors.

When you finally realize just how much of our supposedly modern behavior is dominated by our evolutionary past it’s either very interesting or very creepy. Or both.

But it definitely explains why women are far more obsessed with sex than men.

It also explains a whole lot of other things as well, such as why men are capable of handling rejection and women simply aren’t, because of their different opportunity costs. And a lot else besides.

There’s a lot more to it than just this. This is merely a shallow outline of the biology of human reproduction and its consequences. I barely even touched on the economics of human reproduction, but there’s a limit to what I want to type in one night.

[Anonymous 1]

Subtilitas wrote:

Since the day I remember, the people I’ve surrounded myself with were women. They seemed open-minded and friendly, so much more open than all the boys in my class, who I felt rather avoided me. I became effeminate in appearance, behaviour and manner of speaking. Looking back at it now, I see how ridiculous I was. Neither was I “one of the girls” nor were the boys not open-minded. They simply sensed that I wasn’t being myself. Now I remember many occasions where I was with the guys and their behaviour rubbed off on me (oh, the ambiguity, lol). And I felt great and at peace with myself. It took me years to realise that for most girls I was a handy tool, an advisor or an emotional tampon, as you’d say. Eventually, I’ve grown a beard, literally as well as figuratively.

This is exactly what happened to me (I’m gay too btw). Being feminine, then making a lot of straight male friends, then the ‘finding my own masculinity’ and long story short, stop caring for women and their designer shoes and their skin cares and whatnot, and become MGTOW

[Anonymous 1]

Keymaster wrote:

Attraction is not a choice.

This pretty much sums it up. In the ancient times, men having sex with other men was a normal thing, there were no gays, no bisexual and no heterosexual, there was just attraction. There was no shame in who make sex with who, there was not a label to describe you.

I can speak for myself, I have been only sexually attracted by women for my whole life, and never by a man, since we like to use words that simplify our language, my identification is heterosexual. Honestly, I find the idea of men having sex with other men repulsive, well I am free to like or dislike something, right? I by the way do not go around screaming that I am heterosexual, I am not proud of being it, I do not see that as the “normal” thing, and I cannot care less of what other people are attracted to. I see this thing of expressing who you are and what you want at all costs as a disorder. I can understand that when society fights you(because society want both men and women to angage and make children, and men not engaging women are a risk), then you fight back. But I guess in most countries gay people now have their rights, and cannot be discriminated, there should be laws that prevent that. However, just like women can abuse their rights, someone saying “he did that because I am gay” can make it up, there lays the risk of creating a series of special rights that can end up being used just like feminists did.

One thing that I do not like about males attracted ONLY by other males is the role that they play in our society towards women. Women LOVE gay men, for a very simple reason, gay men will never ask nor accept the most valuable thing that women can give: sex and validation through it. A gay man is a jackpot for a woman, she has a male(orbiter) and is not bounded to spread her legs ever, bluepills friendzoned follow the same destiny with much more suffering.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

“Now what do you think are the dynamics behind women – gay men relationships?”

Most gay men have a relationship with women that is the same as a blue pill orbiter, only difference being that exchanges are lighter due he haven’t sexual attraction for her and by so she cannot use pussy power. However protecting women is an instinct even for gay men, and gay men have the same social conditioning of straight men towards chivalry and revering motherhood.
Good proof being gay men donating sperm like good beta cucks while “forgetting” the war that feminists and especially lesbians ALLIED WITH THE CHURCH wage against surrogacy.

“What has feminism exactly to do with gay men?”

Feminist: “gimme gimme gimme, I’m more discriminated than you!”
Stupid gay believes her.
Not all gays are stupid.

“and how do gays fit in MGTOW?”

It depends by their ideas.
My idea is that the weapon of mass destruction against feminism cannot be a gay unaware of how women are, nor even a virgin.
It’s the divorced man or the man who had a long cohabitation with a woman, especially if he’s bisexual (and by so he’s able to make real comparisons and to see a pattern that there’s in all women but lacks in men).

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[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Subtilitas wrote:

sidecar wrote:

Oh no. Women are far FAR hornier than men. You have no idea. They’re just very indirect about it. Men are, as you have yourself observed, whether straight or gay, direct and up front about sex. So men appear on the surface to be more interested in sex, but that appearance is deceiving. No man anywhere, straight or gay, obsesses about sex like how women do.

That’s a good point. Maybe you could specify? Having had predominantly female friends, I know they talk a lot about sex, men and what arouses them in which way, but I have got also the impression that women do not get horny at least in that regard as their arousal doesn’t come as strong and in such a rush as it does in men. Do you really think they’re just concealing it better?

Women also talk a lot about feelings and love, much more than men, but who really loves? The protector and provider or the protected and provided?
Talking about sex isn’t the same as being horny, just like talking about football and being a football fan doesn’t mean being a footballer.
Women are far less horny than men, at least half, probably even lesser horny. A thing that is highly misleading is that their sexual drive, being more mentally driven, is much more elastic: women can be on pair of their men during the first months: the actual libido of an average woman varies from 5% to 95% of the libido of an average man, depending by the circumstances. Once I f~~~ed a girl in the middle of a disco dance floor, among the crowd, during a foam party, I did meet her just only 30 minutes before f~~~ing her. If someone thinks that she could still have the same libido after 5 years of marriage, then he doesn’t know women: I was probably “the man of the year” for her during the foam party, but if I would had married her then after 5 years of marriage I would still have had the desire of f~~~ her all days while she would have granted me access to her pussy no more than twice per week and more likely once per week…

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[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Part of the no f~~~s given belief system of MGTOW is to actually practice a no f~~~s given. If you really do, then you won’t spend so much time wringing your hands over who your neighbor is f~~~ing at night. Gay people at the end of the day are people and in my view and generally a MGTOW view, it takes all kinds to make a world. You are right though about masculinity being driven out of the gay community. But I also suspect that you see that mostly among the people who are just out there. The people who participate in those parades I doubt are indicative of all gay men. The reason I say this is because I know several gay men who are good friends and colleagues at work who do not display any of those behaviors. They work hard and they essentially don’t go around introducing themselves as “gay.” Not that there is anything wrong with it but you I’m sure are not defined by your sexual preference in that there is more to you as a person than just who you sleep with. As another commenter pointed out, a straight person won’t introduce themselves as a straight man. Being straight like being gay is just a preference of who you like sleeping with and frankly it’s no one’s business and if anyone is hung up about it, it says more about them than it does you.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Gay rights are extremely important for MGTOW: they provide straight and bisex MGTOW with a whole new range of defensive weapons.
Gay shaming from females? Homophobia.
Are you single, why? Are you a misogynist? No, I might be gay, probably my sexuality is fluid.
And so on.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Anonymous 42]

Gay hey hey, no f~~~ing way!

I chose the straight and narrow, the trail on top of the ridge! I can’t go anywhere but down in all but one direction, forward and straight!

I like Milo and don’t judge men for being gay, but it is unnatural and a byproduct of Eve since the beginning of the human race.

Sex and the price a straight man pays is off the table for me.

With gay being the only other option for companionship I’ll pass, it just doesn’t jive with my core belief. I can’t lay with a man and be comfortable, just like today’s women, so I guess the only option is to GO MY OWN SOLITARY WAY…

I’ve spent allot of time and effort reviving my instincts during and after a lifetime of feminist influence, my instincts have been honed and it sharpened my mind beyond all expectations!

[NeroParticipant 1466]

I have been reluctant to talk about this because, up to now, it has had no purpose on this forum. However, there have been a few posts lately that have made it more viable to discuss this.

My oldest son is gay. My ex wife and I have known he was gay for about 5 years now. Ever since he declared being gay, he cut me and his brother out of his life immediately. We are too manly for him. Since then, he seemed to only see his mother as his sole parent, which she gladly embraced as it bolstered her esteem and self-worth, while undermining me at every turn. Ironically, when finding out about his sexuality, it was her – not I – that was so tormented and grief-stricken, she didn’t go to work or get out of bed much for a week straight. Through her guilt from her reaction, she has SJW championed him and made every excuse for his poor behavior to get over her own guilt. The only thing I ever cared about was his personal character, which was questionable, even then.

My son became the stereotypical effeminate gay man, shaking his ass walking down the street, dying his hair every other week, talking like a little sassy bitch, doing the snapping the fingers s~~~ (I put a stop to it when he did it in my face), dressing more revealing to peac~~~ to other gay men, and would only tolerate cute female friends or other effeminate gay men in his life. He has no tolerance for straight men. He is afraid of their manliness. It is apparent.

We caught him taking c~~~ and ass shots on his iphone and sending them to random guys, so we took his phone. He did poorly in school and has a real asshole attitude when the world doesn’t go his way perpetually. He will turn on anyone, even his mother, when he is denied what he feels entitled to. He has no loyalty and can’t sustain a relationship, whether it be a friend or a boyfriend. He is extremely critical and intolerant of anyone. He will only associate with “pretty” people and will use anyone like a pawn to get something of value. He is disgusted by ugly and fat people. They are lesser beings to him. He is obviously a radicalized libtard, taking in all gay pride and entitlement that seems to come with it. He is more of a c~~~ than most women I have ever meant. I honestly don’t really like him as a person. I could give two s~~~s about him being gay, but apparently it DOES matter very much to him. I can tell you it is pretty brutal to have this situation as a father.

I can only say from my experiences in dealing with him and his other gay boyfriends is that though they demand a tolerance from heterosexuals, they don’t have much tolerance of their own. They are like pack animals that allow no outsiders, other than weaker and like-minded females. Now, this could be an age factor, as he is still young. However, I have known this to be a similar case to older gay guys that women seem to flock to at my ex wife’s highly populated government job. It seems to fit the same pattern, although maybe not quite as intolerant to hetero-men, they still fit the primary mold I have discussed.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Eric Lauder wrote:

Women are far less horny than men, at least half, probably even lesser horny.

Someone has really fallen for the victorian feminist propaganda.

Women are more sexually selective than men, true, but that is a completely different matter to their level of desire. And it isn’t their higher brain functions doing the selecting.

Don’t believe this? Compare the average number of sexual partners women have had to the average number men have had.

Eric Lauder wrote:

their sexual drive, being more mentally driven

“Mentally driven”? Lol no. Women’s sexual behavior is almost entirely driven by the horny little monkey deep in the primitive part of their brains. Why do you think so many of them are attracted to blatantly inappropriate men? Moreover, ask a man why he’s attracted to a particular woman, and he’ll be able to tell you in very specific terms. His reason may be shallow and superficial, like she has a nice ass, but he’ll know what it is. A woman won’t be able to say, so she’ll respond with vague euphemisms like: “he’s so manly” without even knowing what that word means, because she herself doesn’t know why she is attracted to him. How is that “mentally driven”?

Once I f~~~ed a girl in the middle of a disco dance floor, among the crowd, during a foam party, I did meet her just only 30 minutes before f~~~ing her.

And yet you think she went along with this because her sexual response was “mentally driven”? Really?

If someone thinks that she could still have the same libido after 5 years of marriage,

Oh no. She still has the same libido. Just not for her husband. Once she has his resources locked down her inner monkeywoman tells her to broaden her reproductive opportunities to maximize her probability of reproductive success. Her higher mental processes are at best only used to try to justify this behavior. They do not control it.

This is why s~~~ like romance novels and “Fifty Shades of Gray” are so ridiculously f~~~ing lucrative.

And don’t make the mistake of thinking this is a recent thing. Historically there have been huge consequences for women for cuckolding. At the very least they risk losing access to their husband’s resources. In many parts of the world today they risk the death penalty. And yet they still cheat. If their sexual behavior was “mentally driven”, don’t you think they would be able to make a better risk analysis and control themselves?

[Anonymous 1]

I hope a lot of lurkers and some men on this site read the post above from sidecar. Some pretty strong red pills in there.

You read posts like this and it clicks thoughtlessly. You just sit there nodding.

It takes no effort….or at least it shouldn’t

[Anonymous 3]

Eric Lauder wrote:

Subtilitas wrote:

sidecar wrote:

Oh no. Women are far FAR hornier than men. You have no idea. They’re just very indirect about it. Men are, as you have yourself observed, whether straight or gay, direct and up front about sex. So men appear on the surface to be more interested in sex, but that appearance is deceiving. No man anywhere, straight or gay, obsesses about sex like how women do.

That’s a good point. Maybe you could specify? Having had predominantly female friends, I know they talk a lot about sex, men and what arouses them in which way, but I have got also the impression that women do not get horny at least in that regard as their arousal doesn’t come as strong and in such a rush as it does in men. Do you really think they’re just concealing it better?

Women also talk a lot about feelings and love, much more than men, but who really loves? The protector and provider or the protected and provided?
Talking about sex isn’t the same as being horny, just like talking about football and being a football fan doesn’t mean being a footballer.
Women are far less horny than men, at least half, probably even lesser horny. A thing that is highly misleading is that their sexual drive, being more mentally driven, is much more elastic: women can be on pair of their men during the first months: the actual libido of an average woman varies from 5% to 95% of the libido of an average man, depending by the circumstances. Once I f~~~ed a girl in the middle of a disco dance floor, among the crowd, during a foam party, I did meet her just only 30 minutes before f~~~ing her. If someone thinks that she could still have the same libido after 5 years of marriage, then he doesn’t know women: I was probably “the man of the year” for her during the foam party, but if I would had married her then after 5 years of marriage I would still have had the desire of f~~~ her all days while she would have granted me access to her pussy no more than twice per week and more likely once per week…

Yeah this is biological fact. Women’s sex drives are far lower than men’s. Women do ramp up during ovulation, but I consider that more a reproductive drive. Whereas men enjoy sex more for pleasure than solely for reproduction.

Women may think about sex, but it’s mostly in the form of leveraging sex for control. And also, women’s sex drive is primarily around 30-35, not really as much before that, although from about 15-20 or so they do have a desire to couple, but that desire is also negated by the popular cultural programming which tells them to sleep around and not pair bond.

Young women also mature quicker and do desire sex earlier than males. At 15, a girl thinks more of sex and wants dirtier things than a 15 year old boy, probably more than a 20 year old male. But things change over time as a man’s sex drive can increase and then stay constant, whereas womens ebbs, outside of ovulation and again during her later years, probably because her eggs are running out. This is why older women of that age have “baby rabies”. It’s not sex so much as the desire to reproduce.

Most women also only want sex once a week, or at most every other day. A girl will say she has an extremely high sex drive for wanting it every other day, whereas most men, especially younger men, can go many times every day.

Eric, I haven’t written this before, but I often find myself agreeing with your posts and knowing that you know, and you must have been extremely successful with women/attractive at some point. It is a sense that I get very rarely in real life too. But when it happens, it seems like we recognize each other, because the experiences are so similar and the understanding of women is there. I estimate it is maybe 1 out of every 300 or 500 men that I run into that have ever been sexually attractive and successful with women. The notes and stories all match up, and in person it’s usually the same physical profile, even if the man is older and hasn’t been working out, the V-shape and broad shoulders is kind of there, and a certain facial profile. Almost always we wind up also talking about fitness/weight lifting, and I usually find I still learn things no matter how much I thought I knew. Also generally speaking very masculine/dominant ideas. And more self respect than typical men.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

Women may think about sex, but it’s mostly in the form of leveraging sex for control.

The Chad phenomenon proves otherwise.

Women leverage against men’s desire for sex, not their own desire. When they’re trying to leverage for control, they’re not thinking about sex at all; they’re only thinking about the control and benefits they want. As far as their own desire is concerned, they’ll happily and repeatedly throw away everything they have to hop on Chad’s thunderous c~~~ with no thought to the consequences. And feminism is largely in the business of eliminating those consequences.

[Anonymous 3]

sidecar wrote:

phoenix wrote:

Women may think about sex, but it’s mostly in the form of leveraging sex for control.

The Chad phenomenon proves otherwise.

Women leverage against men’s desire for sex, not their own desire. When they’re trying to leverage for control, they’re not thinking about sex at all; they’re only thinking about the control and benefits they want. As far as their own desire is concerned, they’ll happily and repeatedly throw away everything they have to hop on Chad’s thunderous c~~~ with no thought to the consequences. And feminism is largely in the business of eliminating those consequences.

I was that guy, and I can guarantee you, it’s not as permanent or as high as you think.

I used to rotate women, back in my 20s my sex drive was just entirely too high for one woman. So I had literally dozens every month. They’d rotate in and out, none really would last more than 2-3 months. At best they’d be every day or other day, a few girls could go several times a day some days out of the month. I suspect it was mostly tied to ovulation, and I started keeping a record at one point for my own safety. I used to code with different markers on a calendar for the safe days to keep track. Thing is that’s not even 100% as women’s cycles change over time, biologically women are designed to be very deceptive.

Tourists are a big one. They’ll come and stay for a few days, and want lots of sex, then disappear. The idea that there are no consequences, or that it’s exciting was probably high on their list.

But no way would I marry a woman and no way do I think their sex drives are in any way equal to men. And all the science I’ve seen confirms that, along with my own testing and experience.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

I was that guy, and I can guarantee you, it’s not as permanent or as high as you think.

But I’m talking about behavior, not volume.

Yes, men’s sex drives are less selective than women’s, but that doesn’t mean their sex drive is stronger. Men produce sperm throughout their lives. They have time. The opportunity cost of missing a chance to reproduce is not nearly as great for men as it is for women. Women have a limited number of eggs with a definite expiration date. Their biology can’t afford to let them pass on reproductive chances. Their inner monkey is telling them to f~~~ and f~~~ NOW!

Look at it this way: have you ever met a woman, thought she was attractive, considered f~~~ing her, and then changed your mind the moment she opened her damn fool mouth? I know I have. But women don’t do that. Women know within seconds if they want to f~~~ a particular man, even if they have no idea why, and there’s pretty much nothing he can do or say that will change her mind. He can tell her to f~~~ off. He can insult her. He can abuse her. He can try walking away. She will still want him and will hamster up any number of excuses justifying her desire.

That is how horny they are.

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MGTOW is more of a philosophy to avoid pitfalls that gay men really don’t have to concern themselves with in relationships with females. In fact, many times, gay men get treated better than straight men by women and society at large. Not saying they can’t be red pilled towards women’s hypergamy also effecting them because women WILL pull their bulls~~~ on their gay friends. But since when did gay men have to worry about getting drug over the coals in divorce court with a woman because he was guilty of being a guy in a relationship?

We really don’t care who you f~~~, but obviously if you aren’t attracted to women and have that innate urge to share a sexual partnership and relationship with women who hold all the chips legally that allows them to f~~~ you up royally and destroy your life and steal your kids, then lets be honest you really don’t have a need for MGTOW lifestyle specifically. Sure you are red pilled and realize that masculinity has been demonized, but so do many in the Men’s Right Movement and anti-feminist organizations that do have women as members.

The real reason for my response is that gay men shouldn’t be targeting this place just to make it “queer friendly” for them. That’s EXACTLY what women want to do when they come here to try to infiltrate and eventually police our opinions and direct our natural male culture to be less offensive for their community. All we do is f~~~ around bulls~~~ting with one another and have male banter that we have been conditioned to shut up about around women and gays because of policing.

We however aren’t hostile to homosexuals; and are generally not concerned about their issues or interested in hearing their sexual preferences like we likely will end up hearing about predictably. In fact, a lot of us envy the freedom a lot of you gays have. We aren’t tradcons who historically had a disgust for gays. Hell a lot of users are large fans of Milo Yiannopolis and don’t give a flying f~~~ about who he’s in bed with or his homosexual jokes and innuendo. I just want to be free to call fellow users f~~~ing f~~~~~s and vice versa, and not worry about a purely hypothetical situation where gay users who have established a beach head here get mad because I am offensive asshole who can handle the bantz.

For instance lets use an example of what I think should be avoided: Imagine had you not signaled you were gay (imagine such an impossibility for a moment please) and I said “dude your avatar is gay as f~~~” I really don’t want to be dealing with a bunch of gay users started getting emotionally butthurt because I’m being offensive purposely just because I can. Because I can deal with that s~~~ in real life and talk to a bunch of women, gays, liberals, or social justice warriors.

And I am offensive. This is something that I would post for s~~~s and giggles:

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