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So if you’re on this forum you’re probably a mgtow.
Which means you’re already self sufficient and understand that you’re on your own in terms of having to fend for yourselves. No one is coming to help you especially not the government or their half assed policies geared towards our current gynocentric format.I’ll just cut to the chase. The way we’re being told is the healthy way to eat is completely false. The FDA’s standard American diet is killing you slowly.
Fatty meats and saturated fat are good for you and “low fat” is bad (yes, the food pyramid is upside down).
You guys are more than welcome to look into this. Plenty of information out there to lead you down the rabbit hole I stumbled into two years ago.
If you need some where to start though here’s a video of Stephen Phinney explaining what I’m getting at
Here’s another by Shawn baker (the diet I’m currently doing) https://youtu.be/p_WIdI26dKQ
I highly recommend you all avoid carbs in the form of breads, grains, fruits, and vegetables.
I’ve been on every diet you can think of. I was vegan for years before I found ketosis. I was addicted to sugar like most of everyone is (because it’s in everything).
Meat is complete nutrition. There is no other nutrient dense food on the planet that compares to a fatty steak. I’ve looked.Any questions you have I’m more than happy to answer. This will be completely insane for some of you hearing this, but if you’re used to taking red pills it shouldn’t be too shocking
Btw, I’m building muscle on this diet as well. I’m also saving tons of money since it’s such an economically simple diet.
Bonus video from 2013
I highly recommend you all avoid carbs in the form of breads, grains, fruits, and vegetables.
Breads yeah, most grains yeah.
fruits and vegetables?
Kale and spinach have carbs, sweet potato has carbs. Beans have loads of carbs but also loads of potassium, fiber, iron, etc. These are some of the healthiest and most nutrient dense foods on the planet. You’ve fallen victim to keto nonsense about all carbs being bad. It’s refined carbs that are bad.
Fruit has natural sugar but also loads of fiber to slow down absorption. Drinking juice (with no fiber) is literally no different than drinking a soda.
Just eat real foods. ALL vegetables are fair game. Everything but dried fruit is fair game.
I lost weight easily doing keto for a year. I lost weight and built muscle even more easily by just doing intermittent fasting and eating all whole foods. Getting fresh chicken and eggs from a local farm, no antibiotics. You should see the difference in bone density from a supermarket chicken and a farm raised one. It’s a no brainer that one is healthier and more nutritious.
Intermittent fasting allows one to get into a keto adapted state if you choose by fasting for a long enough time. I eat in a 7 hour window, 2 to 9 pm most days. It’s very easy.
Saying that vegetables are bad because of carbs is very very naive and misleading. I’d rather have all of my vitamins and micro-nutrient daily values met from eating a huge variety of whole foods than fret over my net carb intake… but that’s me.
I highly recommend you all avoid carbs in the form of breads, grains, fruits, and vegetables.
Breads yeah, most grains yeah.
fruits and vegetables?
Kale and spinach have carbs, sweet potato has carbs. Beans have loads of carbs but also loads of potassium, fiber, iron, etc. These are some of the healthiest and most nutrient dense foods on the planet. You’ve fallen victim to keto nonsense about all carbs being bad. It’s refined carbs that are bad.
Fruit has natural sugar but also loads of fiber to slow down absorption. Drinking juice (with no fiber) is literally no different than drinking a soda.
Just eat real foods. ALL vegetables are fair game. Everything but dried fruit is fair game.
I lost weight easily doing keto for a year. I lost weight and built muscle even more easily by just doing intermittent fasting and eating all whole foods. Getting fresh chicken and eggs from a local farm, no antibiotics. You should see the difference in bone density from a supermarket chicken and a farm raised one. It’s a no brainer that one is healthier and more nutritious.
Intermittent fasting allows one to get into a keto adapted state if you choose by fasting for a long enough time. I eat in a 7 hour window, 2 to 9 pm most days. It’s very easy.
Saying that vegetables are bad because of carbs is very very naive and misleading. I’d rather have all of my vitamins and micro-nutrient daily values met from eating a huge variety of whole foods than fret over my net carb intake… but that’s me.
Listen to Shawn Bakers reasoning on this. I still eat broccoli from time to time, but it’s not necessary.
We can sit here and argue all day about fruits and veggies being a part of a healthy diet. I used to be that guy too who thought it was insane to give up veggies.
I do recommend eating fermented foods though, specially making your own saurkrat or kimchi. Gut biom is very very important. But I would make it so that you get the local benefit for your gut.
Gut biom is very very important. But I would make it so that you get the local benefit for your gut.
Gut biome is crucial for sure, in many ways. Cravings/satiety, immune response, mood, energy levels.
You know what the healthy bacteria in your gut crave?
FIBER
You know where to get fiber?
vegetables, fruits, legumes, nuts, whole grains
I’m not denying that beef liver or other meats are nutritionally complete and very healthy but to avoid vegetables because of “muh carbs” is very counter-productive and naive in my opinion.
Also I agree that fermented foods are great but the importance of fiber cannot be understated and is far more important for health than consuming fermented foods.
I f~~~ing love kimchi though.Fruits are good but only low sugar fruits (blackberries, raspberries, strawberries) and in low quantity
Reason is that regardless of whether you eat fruit or refined carbs, your insulin gets spiked and insulin is the culprit that causes
-fat storage
-cortisol (belly fat)
-triglycerides (if refined carb insulin spike), which are #1 cause of heart diseaseI eat fruit every day, but only low sugar fruit and in small quantity.
My diet is 50% fat, 25% protein, 25% carbs. Carbs are mostly sweet potatoes (low sugar/glycemic index). Protein mostly grass feed beef/wild fish and fat is eggs/beef/butter/dark chocolate
It’s refined carbs that are bad
On point here, I’m a health connoisseur as well. I can tell you its about processing.
If it comes in box, it is more than likely toxic for you.
Fruits, vegetables, and raw unsalted nuts are a staple of mine, just because of how of nutritional dense they are.
I eat meat but mostly chicken and salmon.
I would suggest that everyone buy organic if you can afford it.
The less pesticides the better.
Pesticides have been linked to lower T-levels.
Intermittent fasting allows one to get into a keto adapted state if you choose by fasting for a long enough time. I eat in a 7 hour window, 2 to 9 pm most days. It’s very easy.
I’m a huge proponent of intermittent fasting as well. I love how it kick-starts you metabolism by forcing your body to utilize its available fat stores.
Just eat a good assortment of healthy foods, exercise, and fast one day a week.
You should be golden.
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
I would suggest that everyone buy organic if you can afford it.
The less pesticides the better.
Pesticides have been linked to lower T-levels.
Good point but I didn’t realize that organic does not mean “less pesticides” and in some cases organic actually uses more pesticides than non-org.
I think the best thing to do with any fresh veggies you get from a supermarket is do a nice soak in distilled water for a few minutes and let air dry. I’ve noticed a big improvement in taste for kale and spinach.
When I’m settled in my ideal home with a nice yard for a garden I won’t have to worry about any of that.
Btw, I’m building muscle on this diet as well. I’m also saving tons of money since it’s such an economically simple diet.
Interesting. I recently read that your body needs fat in order to burn fat (most efficiently) other wise your body will go into fat storage mode, as a compensatory mechanism for not receiving fat.
Is there a basic break down of what this diet looks like on a daily basis (i.e. 2 eggs for breakfast, chicken and 1 slice of bread for lunch, etc) somewhere?
This video was fact rich, but didn’t give that kind of info.
The first video you posted looks interesting, but it’s almost an hour long.
Resident cynic.
I think the best thing to do with any fresh veggies you get from a supermarket is do a nice soak in distilled water for a few minutes and let air dry. I’ve noticed a big improvement in taste for kale and spinach.
I do this as well. Rather be safe than sorry.
When I’m settled in my ideal home with a nice yard for a garden I won’t have to worry about any of that.
Amen to that! Nothing beats home grown!
Interesting. I recently read that your body needs fat in order to burn fat (most efficiently) other wise your body will go into fat storage mode, as a compensatory mechanism for not receiving fat.
Your body needs fat to fuel your brain.
Your brain uses fat as a source of fuel.
Just avoid the LDLs
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
Is there a basic break down of what this diet looks like on a daily basis (i.e. 2 eggs for breakfast, chicken and 1 slice of bread for lunch, etc) somewhere?
I typically start the morning either with steel cut oats w/blueberries or Raisin Brain Crunch, or eggs with Killer Dave’s multigrain, non-enriched bread.
My breakfast choices are simple and I adhere to them.
On my fast days, I won’t eat until dinner time. I’ll generally give my body a 8 hour period to hit that ketogenic effect.
I’ll have my protein shake after my workout to satiate me until dinner is done.
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Btw, I’m building muscle on this diet as well. I’m also saving tons of money since it’s such an economically simple diet.
Its a simple idea but, it gets complicated. what do you buy that keeps this diet cheap?
Don't be a slave. Be yourself.
I highly recommend you all avoid carbs in the form of breads, grains, fruits, and vegetables.
Breads yeah, most grains yeah.
fruits and vegetables?
Kale and spinach have carbs, sweet potato has carbs. Beans have loads of carbs but also loads of potassium, fiber, iron, etc. These are some of the healthiest and most nutrient dense foods on the planet. You’ve fallen victim to keto nonsense about all carbs being bad. It’s refined carbs that are bad.
Fruit has natural sugar but also loads of fiber to slow down absorption. Drinking juice (with no fiber) is literally no different than drinking a soda.
Just eat real foods. ALL vegetables are fair game. Everything but dried fruit is fair game.
I lost weight easily doing keto for a year. I lost weight and built muscle even more easily by just doing intermittent fasting and eating all whole foods. Getting fresh chicken and eggs from a local farm, no antibiotics. You should see the difference in bone density from a supermarket chicken and a farm raised one. It’s a no brainer that one is healthier and more nutritious.
Intermittent fasting allows one to get into a keto adapted state if you choose by fasting for a long enough time. I eat in a 7 hour window, 2 to 9 pm most days. It’s very easy.
Saying that vegetables are bad because of carbs is very very naive and misleading. I’d rather have all of my vitamins and micro-nutrient daily values met from eating a huge variety of whole foods than fret over my net carb intake… but that’s me.
+1
The keto/low carb diet works for some people. If it works for you, that’s great. It doesn’t work for me. It doesn’t work for everyone.
There is no one size fits all diet. The main thing is to eat more whole foods (as the above post states) and cut down or eliminate the processed food. The rest is just personal preference and what works for you.
Btw, I’m building muscle on this diet as well. I’m also saving tons of money since it’s such an economically simple diet.
Its a simple idea but, it gets complicated. what do you buy that keeps this diet cheap?
I buy my food in bulk. Costco Sam’s etc. My meals consist of ground beef, eggs, bacon, bone broth, sardines, saurkrat (homemade), grass fed cheese, mayonnaise, Tabasco sauce, and broccoli and cauliflower on occasion.
I’m leaning more towards the carnivore diet but the formula is still the same. Being in ketosis.
Intermittent fasting is also on the roster. I eat one meal a day and will fast the rest. Once or twice a month I’ll do a 48 hour fast.
If you didn’t know that fasting stimulates human growth hormone, now you know. I’m actually gaining more muscle mass on this format.
This will sound insane to most people. You should watch the videos on posted on here. Take the time to understand what is really going on.
The food pyramid is a lie. Avoid sugar at all costs. Read every food label carefully.
But yes, eating once a day saves tons of money. My meals are simple and I’ve yet to tire of them.
I was eating steaks but ground beef is half the price. I cook all my meals. I haven’t been out to eat in almost two years.
I stopped drinking alcohol years ago. I don’t even smoke weed let alone take a Tylenol.
Because of this diet my immune system is a tank. I never get sick anymore.
Most people view food as a hobby for when they’re bored. The reason this diet is unappealing is because too simple.
Imagine telling a women you’re trying to f~~~ that you’re only eating meat and cook all your own meals. Not to mention that you only eat once a day and fast alot. She’ll run away in seconds.
Win win
You don’t need 10 different types of onions or apples. I always pose this question to vegans: find me one nutrient dense food in the vegan diet compared to a fatty steak. They can’t. Because it doesn’t exist.
Meat has gotten such a bad rap. We’re omnivores which means we’re opportunists but all this marketing has brainwashed us to think that we need to eat twenty different types of veggies and fruits and beans and grains to be “healthy.”
Just eat meat
What’s wrong with eating both… we’re omnivores as you said.
Cooking meat = delicious
cooking meat with onions, peppers, spinach, beans, lentils, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, etc = even more delicious and nutritious
(obviously not all of these at once) But for me it’s just more variety and more things that taste good.
What’s wrong with eating both… we’re omnivores as you said.
Cooking meat = delicious
cooking meat with onions, peppers, spinach, beans, lentils, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, etc = even more delicious and nutritious
(obviously not all of these at once) But for me it’s just more variety and more things that taste good.
Look into the data. Humans have only been eating grains for 10,000 years. We’ve been eating meat for over 3 million years.
There’s tons of awesome info out there that explains it better than I ever will. If you don’t watch the videos I posted on here it’s doubtful you’ll look into anything else further.For me personally carbs f~~~ed me up, gave me constant IBS, inflammation.
I wouldn’t eat veggies unless I planted and grew them myself. Until that happens I’ll be eating a carnivore diet. I do still eat saurkrat which I make myself and let it ferment for 6 weeks plus.
Last night I ate a can of sardines, 5 eggs, pork rinds, drizzled in mayo and Tabasco sauce, and 20 strips of maple wood bacon. It was delicious.
You don’t have to follow what I do to the T but just try and eat things that are anti inflammatory. That will keep you in ketosis.
If you stay in ketosis (because you’re avoiding carbs and sugar) you’ll never get cancer. But notice that the process to get into ketosis leads to being the healthiest person on earth.
People go on this diet because they’re at deaths door. Technically we should only be taking in 23 grams of carbs/sugar a day. Anything over that will knock you out of ketosis.
We eat things because we can. But that doesn’t mean it’s healthy for us. Do you want to live to be 100 and still be able to run and do Yoga or do you want to end up like everyone else by the time they reach 65, bleeding internally and hooked on blood pressure/diabetic medication?
I highly recommend you all avoid carbs in the form of breads, grains, fruits, and vegetables.
Breads yeah, most grains yeah.
fruits and vegetables?
Kale and spinach have carbs, sweet potato has carbs. Beans have loads of carbs but also loads of potassium, fiber, iron, etc. These are some of the healthiest and most nutrient dense foods on the planet. You’ve fallen victim to keto nonsense about all carbs being bad. It’s refined carbs that are bad.
Fruit has natural sugar but also loads of fiber to slow down absorption. Drinking juice (with no fiber) is literally no different than drinking a soda.
Just eat real foods. ALL vegetables are fair game. Everything but dried fruit is fair game.
I lost weight easily doing keto for a year. I lost weight and built muscle even more easily by just doing intermittent fasting and eating all whole foods. Getting fresh chicken and eggs from a local farm, no antibiotics. You should see the difference in bone density from a supermarket chicken and a farm raised one. It’s a no brainer that one is healthier and more nutritious.
Intermittent fasting allows one to get into a keto adapted state if you choose by fasting for a long enough time. I eat in a 7 hour window, 2 to 9 pm most days. It’s very easy.
Saying that vegetables are bad because of carbs is very very naive and misleading. I’d rather have all of my vitamins and micro-nutrient daily values met from eating a huge variety of whole foods than fret over my net carb intake… but that’s me.
+1
The keto/low carb diet works for some people. If it works for you, that’s great. It doesn’t work for me. It doesn’t work for everyone.
There is no one size fits all diet. The main thing is to eat more whole foods (as the above post states) and cut down or eliminate the processed food. The rest is just personal preference and what works for you.
For some people drinking 5 cups of coffee before noon “works” for them. It doesn’t mean it’s healthy though.
Like I said before I tried every diet. The best way to argue a point is to understand how to argue the other side of the argument as well.
You seem to think that I’m coming from a “I’ve never been on any other diet but this one works the best” argument.
There is no other nutrient dense food on the planet besides meat. Show me a tribe of people who survived the ice age on only plants. They don’t exist and if they did they were wiped out.
Humans can adapt to any environment you out us in, but those who have access to meat always fared better. They were stronger, bigger. The brain developed because we ate meat.
People get real sensitive when how they’re eating gets brought up.
I know guys who say they’re doing low carb but end up eating a slice of pizza on a Friday night.How many vegans do you know who get drunk partying out with friends and end up eating meat that night? The answer is almost all of them admit to having done something kkme that.
In order for this to work you can’t take cheat days. You can’t half ass it and you can’t lie to yourself.
I have no more joint pain, no more bloatedness. All my stomach IBS issues have vanished. My skin looks amazing. My mind is sharper than it’s ever been.
“everything I’m moderation” is bulls~~~. You either stick with a proper plan and keep to it or be ready to continue to be mediocre.
Let’s conksre this to mgtow. In mgtow you don’t still try to date women and get into relations with them. Thats half assing it. You’re either all in or you’re not.
People do these diets in a lazy fashion and gets half ass results, and then they blame the diet Lolol.
You don’t know what works for you unless you can properly measure it and that takes discipline my friend.
Most people can’t follow a keto diet because they lack the discipline. Plain and simple
Just relax man…
Like Maverick said, low carb/keto doesn’t work for everyone.
I followed it to a T for over a year, tracking everything in chronometer. <25 net carbs a day.
The thing is that range is variable for everyone. I’m pretty sure I was still keto-adapted after a few months of doing low carb and having 30-35 net carbs a day. Mostly through more vegetables and fruits.
I bet some elite athletes can go with almost 50g net carbs and still be deep in ketosis.
The point is one diet or lifestyle doesn’t work for everyone. It may be perfect for you but you can’t preach as if it’s the only way.
Basically each individual if they so choose has to find out their ideal diet just by understanding how their body and mind reacts to the changes.
Personally I keep my net carb intake around 40g but don’t even have to track it really. I just aim for getting fiber, water (through fruits/veggies), some healthy fats and naturally those combinations of whole foods will have enough protein for me.
Perhaps more importantly is any combination will have a good distribution of vitamins and micronutrients.
I feel a lot of the same benefits of ketosis as when I was strictly doing keto and don’t see a reason to stop focusing on a variety of vegetables, fruits and good quality cuts of meat and fish.
Sardines are amazing too. I prefer Wild Planet or King Oscar brand. I buy the no salt/in water and make my own marinades.
I highly recommend you all avoid carbs in the form of breads, grains, fruits, and vegetables.
Raw fruits and veggies are fine. Leafy greens are excellent. Very fibrous, most of the “carbs” in roots and legumes is indigestible to humans, but you can still get a wide range of micronutrients from them.
Eat a big bowl of green. It’s good for you.
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