MGTOW – 20 or 20k, it is worth it

[GeraldParticipant 3638]

Recently there was a post discussing how many of our lurkers might be fake accounts, or women, or whatever.

Tonight has been a rough one for me, but through the wisdom and friendships, the open acceptance and willingness to discuss the issues we all face, and the honest advice of the men here… Men like Stealthy, Old Bill, Mg-tower, Pistol Pete, Keymaster and many more… I have dealt with it.

I kept my head. Said no, provided the empty chair when needed and remained stoic throughout…

And thoug there is more pain, much more pain to come over the next few days, I know, be it 20 or 2000 or 20000, that at least a few men have found what they needed here. I am one of those men.

My life is still a mess, it won’t get better for a long time, but I see where my errors were. I see where I strayed from the path. And I see a path out. It isn’t a pleasant path, but truly worthy things are never easy. THIS site showed me that.

And for that I am grateful. MEN, if we only help a handful… If we only save a few… It is WORTH it.

Keep up the truth, it isn’t easy being awakened. But it is REAL.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[Anonymous 6]

Keep your head up brother.

[bladeParticipant]

Always someone on here 24/7

Hope things get easier for you bro

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

Calm down…Take a deep breath…and another…We have survived…We will prevail…You are not alone brother…This is our life..This is our happiness…You are strong…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[Anonymous 18]

MGTOW is a byproduct of scientific means.

I have failed when I have let my subjective beliefs to override the rational red pill truth.

I have immensely benefitted from circumventing web of lies and deceits 3 women have tried as a trap since going MGTOW.

And in hindsight traps they were.

You can only measure the validity of mgtow in how those we criticize react. Mockery. Without any substantial counter-facts.

[GregB0Participant]

Gerald wrote:

Recently there was a post discussing how many of our lurkers might be fake accounts, or women, or whatever.

Tonight has been a rough one for me, but through the wisdom and friendships, the open acceptance and willingness to discuss the issues we all face, and the honest advice of the men here… Men like Stealthy, Old Bill, Mg-tower, Pistol Pete, Keymaster and many more… I have dealt with it…..

MEN, if we only help a handful… If we only save a few… It is WORTH it.

Keep up the truth, it isn’t easy being awakened. But it is REAL.

Gerald, there are indeed many outstanding men on MGTOW who are always willing to reach out to help whenever possible. Part is due to the MGTOW site, part to their own individual generosity and part to a mans desire to help.

I recently posted a thread about my niece and received immediate, significant support this week. That is the comfort of the MGTOW community.

Part of the reason I posted the 99% thread was in thinking what MGTOW.com could become if we had more active members like the five you mentioned. That would be awesome!

Hopefully having friends and comrades available will continue to ease your journey in the times ahead. Peace to you brother.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Wait till NFG mode kicks in.

Then we’ll you won’t give a f~~~.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[ghostParticipant]

Hang in there, brother. It WILL get better.

Never give up. Your ancestors would be disappointed if you did.

We are ALL in this together.

[Chase PesosParticipant 2136]

Gerald,

Check the YouTube comments, we might be around 20 million. It’s a total explosion and I love seeing it.

Fight the good fight, we’re here with you.

Chase a check, never chase a chick...

[King SolomanParticipant 64]

Gerald I don’t know your particular pain brother. But I do know there are enough good men here who care and are willing to listen and offer advice.

The best bits of which you can integrate into your own ‘go your own way’ framework.

Remember there’s always the possibility of an opponent using stealth and countermeasures to infiltrate a group.

Just listen to your gut and the advice of the long time contributers here.

Their opinion should be a good indication of any contrarian BS and IMHO be given precedence when drawing your own conclusions.

Learning by others past mistakes doesn't make me better than them but grateful for their sacrifice

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Good post.

Gerald wrote:

My life is still a mess, it won’t get better for a long time, but I see where my errors were.

Were they really “your” errors?

We tend to accept responsibility for what we shouldn’t. Including the mistakes of other people. That can be a lot of unnecessary baggage. So a man must be very careful what he blames himself for. A great deal of it can be discarded when you examine it closely. It’s a major load off.

Example in relationships – when things don’t work out. Men do this to themselves all the time:

• “I should have listened more”.
• “I should have said X instead . . .”
• “I should have said nothing.”
• “I should have tried harder.”
• “I should have brought her flowers more often.”
• “I should have had better “game”.”

That’s shouldering one hell of a burden when she can just flip on a dime whenever it suits her. . . and he’s STILL gonna blame himself.

But what if none of it was really anything HE did “wrong”?
How liberating is that?

Women work their butts off to make their own inadequacies YOUR problem. And when it doesn’t work out, it’s YOUR error. A surprising amount of what we blame ourselves for can be totally discarded.

That’s when “I needed to listen more” . . . becomes “No. She needed to STFU more”.

( Just an example. Specifics will very of course )

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Second what others have said, and wish you the very best.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[WallyParticipant]

Geral, hang in there brother, you see the path and the way out that is the most important thing right now.Focus on that.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[onmywayParticipant 502]

Hang in there, brother. Time heals!

[GeraldParticipant 3638]

Keymaster wrote:

Good post.

Gerald wrote:

My life is still a mess, it won’t get better for a long time, but I see where my errors were.

Were they really “your” errors?

We tend to accept responsibility for what we shouldn’t. Including the mistakes of other people. That can be a lot of unnecessary baggage. So a man must be very careful what he blames himself for. A great deal of it can be discarded when you examine it closely. It’s a major load off.

Example in relationships – when things don’t work out. Men do this to themselves all the time:

• “I should have listened more”.
• “I should have said X instead . . .”
• “I should have said nothing.”
• “I should have tried harder.”
• “I should have brought her flowers more often.”
• “I should have had better “game”.”

That’s shouldering one hell of a burden when she can just flip on a dime whenever it suits her. . . and he’s STILL gonna blame himself.

But what if none of it was really anything HE did “wrong”?
How liberating is that?

Women work their butts off to make their own inadequacies YOUR problem. And when it doesn’t work out, it’s YOUR error. A surprising amount of what we blame ourselves for can be totally discarded.

That’s when “I needed to listen more” . . . becomes “No. She needed to STFU more”.

( Just an example. Specifics will very of course )

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Second what others have said, and wish you the very best.

Yes they were mine.

First let me say thank you all for the support…

The errors I was meaning are the “co-habitate error”, the thinking a woman can understand love error, the error of believing we were both as invested in the relationship as the other, the error of marriage…

These are the ways I went awry… all due to ignorance. Now I know the truth.

As towards the NFG state, I have glimpses of it, but am not fully there yet, even a year into this.

Again thank all you Strong, Awesome men for your support

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Gerald wrote:

Keep up the truth, it isn’t easy being awakened. But it is REAL.

Yes. It is very real. You will get out of it what you put into it. It has been a great journey for me.

[Anonymous 1]

Gerald, don’t blame yourself for what has happened, it was always going to happen anyway, the system is broken and has been broken for a long time.
What you can do now is aim for the way out, sure it will take time, effort and money, but every day that passes is a day nearer the goal.
Men will never kick a fellow man when he is down, women do that, but what we can give you, is a hand up.

Plato said:
Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed by the masses.

[CoolbreezeParticipant 442]

Priceless is the day when you realize anything short of your happiness is simply a waste of your time

[MGTOW@50Participant 225]

Gerald wrote:

the error of believing we were both as invested in the relationship as the other

This is a very keen observation that I have not considered before and it really speaks to my situation. Thank you for that tidbit of wisdom. Damn, that explains so much.

Gerald, hang in there brother. It def helps to focus on today, or just this minute or hour. And then, sometimes it helps to think in terms of years from now. When you are living the life you want to make for yourself.

[OldBillParticipant]

Gerald wrote:

My life is still a mess, it won’t get better for a long time, but I see where my errors were.

While I very much agree with Keymaster that most of what you currently perceive to be “your” errors are nothing of the sort, I will ask you to remember that mistakes are how we learn.

Because you’re human you will make mistakes.

Because you’re a man you will learn from those mistakes.

You’re learning, brother, and that’s something you should be proud of because I know we’re all proud of you.

You’re going through hell and you’ve chose to keep on going. What more need a man ever do?

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[GeraldParticipant 3638]

MGTOW@50 wrote:

Gerald wrote:

the error of believing we were both as invested in the relationship as the other

This is a very keen observation that I have not considered before and it really speaks to my situation. Thank you for that tidbit of wisdom. Damn, that explains so much.

Gerald, hang in there brother. It def helps to focus on today, or just this minute or hour. And then, sometimes it helps to think in terms of years from now. When you are living the life you want to make for yourself.

Being able to hear I helped someone is awesome, especially a brother such as you who has posted a lot of wisdom that has helped so many.

To all, thanks again for the wisdom and insights. It is very helpful.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

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