Men in surplus.

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

bobphilo wrote:

Even when guys are buff, women typically find men’s naked bodies silly or disgusting.

This will be the base to share my thoughts. So, it’s an interesting mention because I’m observing the same.
Gals like well built man’s torso, but when he pulls the pants down it makes a gal feels uncomfortable even if she wanted him badly. So what’s wrong?

I think we are hearing the first, yet a distant, ringing of the evolution’s bell. Today our b~~~~ store the most desired liquid by all mental healthy women – the sperm. They try to get it for free with any possible ways and unfortunately most of those are easy ones. But lets be honest with ourselves, this is the only thing they really need from us. They can live fine with pleasing eachother in the bed with no men. They can defend themselves, they can feed themselves. The Nature shows that males are not needed in big number.

Look at social insects. Drones, which are actually males, needed only to inseminate so-called the queen insect, and they die after. Non-social insects like most of spiders, you know, they kill a male after the act of insemination. Most of mammals have only one so-called alfa-male which is main defender and inseminator for surrounding females. The rest – betas – either stay around as a reserve or leave once they become sexually mature (MGTOW?). Of course we may take wolves as the example of many males in the pack but even the young males of wolves kill eachother during mating.

Refering to these examples I think there will be a hard times for men in the distant future. Right now men in surplus and it would be enough to have one man per ten or even more women. But I will say even more. If women feel disgust whilst looking at a fully naked man’s body then evolution maybe pushes us to the hermaphroditism. Hermaphrodites have much more chances to save its kind.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[Anonymous 25]

sperm banks dry up

Sperm banks are drying up. Men are going their own way in ever increasing numbers. Chad can’t fund that many single mums on his own through child support. He will go to jail.

This leaves Government and women with trying to force men to pay through taxes. But men will just downsize like they already are and will go herbivore type lifestyles like in Japan and become minimalist.

This puts society and the Government in a very difficult position. In the long game, men ultimately hold the card, because they can withhold supply of sperm and withhold funding tax. Bachelor taxes won’t work, men will jump ship or find loopholes. Tax avoidance is something Government has never been able to stamp out, because it’s easy for lawyers to find loopholes and ways around whatever laws they make.

Once men wake up to the fact that they hold the monopoly, it’s game over for feminism and women.

[BoarParticipant]

Suggestius wrote:

Look at social insects. Drones, which are actually males, needed only to inseminate so-called the queen insect, and they die after.

Unlike bees, men actually build s~~~. True, bees do build hives which are part of their genetic programming. Do they build complex computers, guns, telescopes, tractors, etc?
What do whimyn do? What do they make? How long would they survive in a true matriarchal society? Social animal/insect examples do not always transfer to human society.

Suggestius wrote:

But lets be honest with ourselves, this is the only thing they really need from us. They can live fine with pleasing eachother in the bed with no men. They can defend themselves, they can feed themselves. The Nature shows that males are not needed in big number.

Sniff sniff. My snout is starting to twitch….

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

women typically find men’s naked bodies silly or disgusting

… ok, to those many huge women i saw the other day while running errands .. what’s with all these tight yoga pants? now that could be disgusting!

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Suggestius wrote:

But lets be honest with ourselves, this is the only thing they really need from us. They can live fine with pleasing eachother in the bed with no men. They can defend themselves, they can feed themselves. The Nature shows that males are not needed in big number.

OK, lets be honest. Without Men, women wouldn’t have houses to live in or buildings to sit their fat asses when they go to their cubicle job. Women wouldn’t have: roads, bridges, MALLS???, clothes, cars, food, running water, sewage, power plants, personal protection, national security ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC.ETC.

Yeah, lets be HONEST !! With all due respect my friend, open up your eyes and LOOK at the world around you, and see EVERYTHING that women DON’T do !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Sure, we could continue to be a reproductively viable species with 1/10th of the male population we currently have… but who would pay for all the women?

Let’s say that 20% of the currently living men were killed in some weird retro war or by some nefarious means. The remaining 80% of men would find themselves in a “target rich environment” where women were concerned but this would probably result in simply a lot of women growing old alone. With spinsters, nuns and lesbians on one side and hyper-intense competition among women for the remaining men on the other, women would find a way to make do.

But if 80% of the men were wiped out and only 20% remained… now you’ve got a real problem for women. They would essentially become slaves, cheap as dirt to the few men who would still be interested in them.

Women don’t want a deficit of men, they want a surplus. So long as there are too many men, the men will continue to serve women and compete for their attention and women can afford to continue to be hypergamous.

Want to defeat hypergamy and gynocentrism? Kill off most of the men… or have them drop out of society. But of course, then there’ll be nobody left to give a s~~~ that women are suddenly submissive and happy to make sandwiches.

Put simply, this is the message that MGTOW sends to women, albeit not overtly or deliberately… “Men are losing interest. Ladies, you can shut up and start learning how to cook but it just may be too little, too late.”

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22525]

You know men are not in “surplus” when women keep asking, “where have all the good men gone”.

[Silpheed1975Participant 355]

I think you may be mistaken about male worth. EVERYTHING of importance is done by men, every building is built by men. (I never see chicks in construction sites, unless they are delivering coffee/food) Men design the buildings/tech, men assemble it and men ship it. Women are actually only needed for their vaginas, to make the next generation. If anything, women are the ones who have no real marketable skills in most environments. They don’t want to get dirty, don’t want to do hard labor, and don’t want to take a bullet in defence of a country. The drives of people who do those things, are the same drives that make them strong people. We should be worried about the 1%, not what powerless, dizzy c~~~s have to say…they really (the women) don’t have any real power.

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[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Gentlemen, I’ll be brief.

Faust, I saw someone has written on the forum that by asking “where have all the good men gone” women mean “Where are all the alphas?”

Awakned, you live in the past. World of the first half of the XX century was built by men. Being a housewife was normal in those times and many women was poorly educted. But in the middle of the past century number of skilled and eductaed women was growing up. During World War II women sucsesfully replaced men at many places. They were vechicle operators, conveyor assemblers, farmers and even military pilots. So they can do everything the men can do, except sperm production.

Boar, one of the biggest mysteries is how have we gained such creativity. Yes, it makes the Humans noticeably different to other Earth species. But your c~~~ will be still getting hard for a naked attractive female with bedroom eyes. This unites you with the all other living beings on the planet. The only difference is you can say “no” to her and males of animals/insects cannot.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[Silpheed1975Participant 355]

Yeah, during WW2 women replaced men everywhere, except the battlefield. I wasn’t talking about the past, my misinformed brother, but the now. Now women don’t want to do the hard work, they only want the benefits. Even though they overpopulate the universities, they still fall behind in the Stem fields. Women in Canada make up 19% of the armed forces…. Yeah, still not pulling their share of the weight. I’m starting to wonder if you aren’t a woman posting as a man at this point….

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[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Silpheed1975 wrote:

Yeah, during WW2 women replaced men everywhere, except the battlefield.

Medics, pilots, snipers, gun-crew of anti-aircraft defence. There is a big difference between “don’t want” and “be not able”.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[Silpheed1975Participant 355]

Yeah, nothing more to say to you, Sister…

Silpheed's Mom Quote: "Having PMS is no excuse to be a bitch.."

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Suggestius wrote:

Awakned, you live in the past

I am living in REALITY. Yes, there are TOKEN women doing TOKEN jobs, but no where near the numbers that could sustain a society, never mind make it prosperous.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Silpheed1975Participant 355]

Awakened, arguing with Suggestius is like arguing with a woman….. I still think that he’s either a mangina, or a chick posting as a man. I think your argument would be lost on her.

Silpheed's Mom Quote: "Having PMS is no excuse to be a bitch.."

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Awakened wrote:

I am living in REALITY. Yes, there are TOKEN women doing TOKEN jobs, but no where near the numbers that could sustain a society, never mind make it prosperous

If not women and children I doubt if USSR could produce enough of weapon and ammunition. We are from different worlds indeed. So it’s not surprisable we have unlike view of the same object. In Soviet Union women were always more involved into work. So I give them more favor.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Silpheed1975 wrote:

Awakened, arguing with Suggestius is like arguing with a woman….. I still think that he’s either a mangina, or a chick posting as a man. I think your argument would be lost on her.

It would be nice if the OP put up some hard data to support his claims, but we know the data does not exist. Have a good day my friend, I too am out !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[BoarParticipant]

Awakened wrote:

I too am out !!

Same here. The smell is getting bad…

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Philosophy discussions require more knowledges about the world. It’s not like on Central. So next time think twice before getting involved in that. It can be irritating. And try to avoid of insults when lack of arguments. You act like women.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

I’m not going to write multiple topics so I’ll post here some data that women can do the same things that men can do. Some dude didn’t find women on the battlefield. So I will start from this one.

I can provide many facts but for now it’s enough to mention just about military pilots nicknamed by Germans “Nachthexen”(Night Witches) – those bombers made more than 23 thousand sorties during the WW2. Also there were more than 500 women who were fighter pilots.

I know it’s an uncomfortable example for those who stay for women can’t contribute anything good to civilization, BUT in the Soviet Union you couldn’t live idly. Living with no job may directly led you into the prison because such persons had been criminally charged with social parasitism. So this is a good example of which way women can build civilization along with men.
So, gentlemen, I support my theory with facts.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Suggestius, I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that you are in Russia or some former part of the Soviet Union. You have to understand that Americans especially, do not always understand your culture. I worked for over a decade in an American military veteran’s hospital and few people there understood that the Soviet Union actually won World War II in Europe for the Allies. The American military decided to let the Soviet armies take Berlin because the American public would not have accepted the horrific casualties, which the last estimate I saw was 300,000 killed. Considering that the approximate number of American WW II deaths were somewhere around 650,000, that is a significant figure. Besides, the Japanese had not been defeated, and they American military expected the public would not want to invade the Japanese homeland after such a horrific death toll in Europe. The American military had ordered 750,000 Purple Heart medals because they expected that the Japanese homeland invasion would result in that many wounded military personnel.

Therefore, your culture is different in that the women were less likely to have been the pampered group that has grown up in the U.S.A. and Canada since World War II. We were one of the few intact economies and did not undergo the extreme hardship the rest of the world suffered. You are most likely correct in the women did perform all those roles in World War II in the Soviet Union, since men most likely were in combat. The Chinese Communist Red Army even had a complete female combat division.

Women are capable of doing these and many other things that men are able to do, but the major problem in our culture now is women don’t think they have to do anything but leech off some man. Over and over you read here how they don’t even think they need to keep house or cook. So many of them consider themselves to be better or superior to men and have little respect for men. They think they are justified in being promiscuous or cheating in marriage.

Perhaps your culture has not gotten to that state of affairs, but MGTOW on this side of the pond is a reaction to it regardless of the numerical ration of men to women or the latent capabilities of women.

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