Marriage.. A ridiculous concept.

[Tbowden1Participant 195]

Let’s begin with some statistics.. For the first time since the U.S. Census was created in 1790, there are more people who are unmarried than married. The divorce rate is over 50% and in some places is closer to 70%.

Is this really a surprise to anyone? What’s the point..?
As of right now, anyone I mention the fact that I don’t believe in marriage to gives me a shocked look, a look that implies I may have just set a box of kittens on fire.. (that’s terrible). All jokes aside, it’s true. I don’t understand the shock in not believing in something that is old fashioned and presents absolutely NO benefits for a man.

This argument is always easily won with one simple question:
“What would be the benefit for ME to get married?”
Oddly enough.. the most typical first answer I get is “Tax benefits.” SERIOUSLY?! You’re saying you want to spend the rest of your life with someone for a simple tax credit at the end of the year? This logic is clearly flawed, especially when you consider all of the expenses that come with being tethered to a woman. Double the amount on food, Gotta have a bigger bed, they need their manicures and pedicures, purses, Christmas presents, flowers, do I need to go on..? The expenses FAR outweigh any small tax credit you would receive at the end of the year..

What’s next? Well then they all turn to the “love” factor saying that marriage provides companionship. First of all, why can’t you have a companion without a piece of paper signed by the government? Why is it necessary for me to bet half of my s~~~ to have “companionship” when I can get that from a girlfriend with absolutely no financial commitment. Second of all, marriage doesn’t guarantee companionship. Let’s not act like nearly 50% of failed marriages don’t end because of some form of infidelity.. That pretty marriage certificate doesn’t do s~~~ when she decides to cheat. You are NOT secure. “Why give a bitch your heart, when she’d rather have a purse?”

Marriage laws have been setup to only benefit women.. How often do you hear about a man leaving a woman where he ends up with half of her s~~~? The answer is RARELY (yes, there are exceptions to every rule).

I think it’s pretty clear to see why marriage is so flawed and continues to be a financial death sentence. There is no need for a man in a woman’s life any longer. With feminism taking over, the government provides everything: food stamps, welfare, section 8, etc. These are all things the man used to provide.. Couples had a mutual agreement, men went to work and provided resources, women stayed home and took care of kids, prepared meals, and took care of the home. How many women even know how to cook nowadays? How many women ACTUALLY clean..? Check the selfies out on Instagram of all these girls who look absolutely amazing, yet have a f~~~ing room full of clothes all over the floor. THESE are the women who you will be looking at marriage prospects. Women who have no desire to cook or clean and would rather stay at home and catch up on the latest “Keeping up with the Kardashian’s” episode. But that’s a whole other post…….

“Chivalry is dead..? No ladies, men in prior generations had women who stayed home and cooked 5 meals a day along with cleaning the house.. They also weren’t obsessed with Facebook selfies showing their t~~~ begging for attention from their 800 friends on Facebook. Remember this the next time you brag that you “made a home cooked meal,” one night of the week.”
– ME

[Rock St.EddieParticipant 129]

Bravo. Man you and I are going into business together. We’re gonna stop weddings for a living, and save men’s lives.

[Gone SurfingParticipant 216]

Marriage – men just need to ask themselves the Dutch question: WHY DO YOU WANT TO BUY THE WHOLE COW WHEN ALL YOU WANT IS A GLASS OF MILK??????

[RabidcavemanParticipant 57]

Another question that’s worth asking women:

“Besides sex, what can you offer to this relationship?”

[braininavatParticipant 95]

RE: “Oddly enough.. the most typical first answer I get is ‘Tax benefits.’ SERIOUSLY?!”

I never thought of this before, but when a person answers this question with tax benefits as the primary benefit of marriage for men, what they are saying is that the little bit of money you’ll save on taxes is more than anything your wife will ever do for you in the course of your marriage. If that’s the best “pitch” that can be made for marriage, it’s no wonder marriage is in trouble.

[MGTOW DangerousParticipant 3]

F~~~ing well put man. I love how great minds think a like.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@braininavat it’s sad to listen to women attempt to “sell marriage” and relations~~~s. Tax benefits, and “not dying alone” are the pathetic best they can spit out. They should all be f~~~ing comedians instead of wives.

“Till death us do part” is IN the marriage vow. It’s already widely ACCEPTED that you’re going to “die alone”. It’s right there in the wording. So try harder ladies. Nobody is buying your s~~~ sammich anymore.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Tbowden1Participant 195]

@keymaster That is so true.. I find it easy to bulldoze any chance that a woman has of “convincing” me that marriage is a positive thing for a man. One simple, yet direct question will NEVER have an answer that any sane man could condone… “What is the benefit to ME?”

[Tbowden1Participant 195]

<cite>@rabidcaveman said:</cite>
Another question that’s worth asking women:

“Besides sex, what can you offer to this relationship?”

This is another interesting point, especially when you consider the statistics.. There are multiple studies that have been done that show married couples actually have LESS sex than their single counterparts.. so even that “benefit” is ridiculous. I can get more sex as a single guy than I ever would being married.

[XwhYParticipant 16]

Gentlemen, I would like to point out that when you sight any “statistics” in order to justify an idea or opinion (and you are welcome to do so), understand that there are no statistics that stand up to scrutiny of methodology. I have dug deep into these so called statistics on marriage and sex, and out of the several hundred that I have reviewed, I have yet to find a single one that did not contain fatally flawed methodology. We just do not know exactly how people feel, think, or act beyond what we have observed in our own lives and friends lives.
Yes, we are all agreed that as marriage stands right now, it is at best a mockery of what it should be. But, is “marriage” a ridiculous concept, or is this “unequal contractual pairing of men and women” the real ridiculous concept?
Also, if you have truly decided to go your own way, you do not owe ANYONE (male or female) an explanation for your decision not to marry. Own it, don’t justify it to others outside of these forums. It will only make you look weak.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hey XwhY glad you sorted your user out and you re-registered. Happy to see you joined again.

Excellent point. Doesn’t matter if a certain % – or WHAT % – of divorce is initiated by women… or what the % of likelihood is that a marriage fails. We can all agree, it’s widely known statistics don’t amount to much and are not a reliable indicator of anything.

But just ONE ….. IS.

If you see a sign that says “man eating alligators” you’re still not going in there, even though only a small % of them might be hungry. JUST ONE is enough to kill you. It’s statistically “safe” for you to swim in Lake Ontario because it only contains a very small percentage of fecal chloroform. Now I don’t know about you guys or your standards, but just 0.00001% is enough for me to stay out of the f~~~ing water – lest I be doing the back stroke and get nudged in the head by a big log of poop. It may be the only turd in the lake, but it’s still s~~~. Know what I mean?

This is why I tell guys to stop talking about “marriage“.
… and to replace it with the words “marriage contract“.

Consider not saying: “i will never get married”…. “or marriage is a raw deal for men”, because as you said, it’s “weak”. But saying “i will never sign a marriage contract under any circumstances” packs a much bigger gut punch. Especially in social settings when people are trying to pair you up and shame you for it.

“Signing a marriage contract is not for me, thankyouverymuch”.

By mentioning the contract in the conversation, ears perk up, and it has a totally different ring to it. When you say “contract”, the bride hates it. She has been trying to convince the groom that it’s about “love” and “soulmates” and “unicorns” … but when you show up to a dinner party and say “marriage contract”, it instantly de-romanticizes it, and people drop their utensils and look at each other like an earthquake is about to happen. They’ve just been blasted in the face with reality.

You’re right. We don’t OWE them an explanation. And explaining IS weak. But I will talk about a “marriage contract” whenever possible and drive the point right home with great pleasure. When you mention the contract, no more explaining is required. They get what you meant. Loud and clear.

Example: “So when are you gonna grow up and get married?”
Response: “Sign a marriage contract? You must be joking.”

…. and then continue enjoying your desert.
It’s like punching them in the face.

For women, the busswords are: wedding, marriage, nuptials, engagement, ring, flowers, bridesmaids, dress, cake etc.
Then you walk in saying “contract” and you just shot her childhood dreams all to hell.
But that’s exactly what it is. A contract – and nothing else. A merging of two corporations.
And the contract is what will f~~~ing destroy you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

And gay people want to get married lol? Well maybe for men it won’t be so bad but with 2 women well……lol. Also there is the whole common law marriage. Even if you are just in a relationship with a girl for 8 years the government still thinks it has the right to say you are married and she can have half your stuff if you simply break up.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

A great point from TheBard. Damn, I don’t know how I emerged unscathed.
Who was it who said “thank whatever god you believe in”?…

I do.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOW4JesusParticipant 4]

You know how many conservatives (myself included) think women seeking an abortion should have an ultrasound first?

I think any guy thinking about getting married should be required to speak to a suicide counselor right before the wedding starts.

[mdomParticipant 18]

My first marriage, and most likely my last, has left me with $17 and homeless for 3months. Never again.

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

Preach it my brother! PREACH!

@mdom Man sorry to hear it!

[TYEParticipant 291]

I am so happy to be a 17 year old high school graduate waiting to enlist in the Military his 18th birthday (January 13th). I have to say that i’m very lucky to have swallowed the red pill before I even got the chance to make any mistakes ! I feel like the MGTOW brotherhood gave birth to me, and sheltered me from being poisoned by the matriarchy society we live in, and for this I am beyond grateful.

[strnghtnnmbrsParticipant 14]

Interesting take. Never thought of these things before. I appeal
to the sense of “fixing things”. What do we do with the children?
We all know death is inevitable, but what about those of us who have
children, what are we leaving behind for them?
Or are there no such thing as mgtow single parents? Why not fight to
change the laws on marriage between a man and a woman? Level the playing field.
The law for divorce for a woman to receive alimony is definitely outdated and
pro-woman. Increase the law of adultery as a felony? Have any of you left a child behind?
What about them? Do you think they deserve a father-figure or do we keep letting the women
raise our sons and daughters? Maybe mgtow is not the place for me. I thought this
was about men being real men and not “victims” of manipulative women seeing men as a mere
utility? So those of you men who claim to be mgtow but leaving children all over the place for
us men to rear and take care of, is this what mgtow means? If this is so, this is not how true
men behave, because true men take accountability for their actions and behavior.

To decide to be single and never marry is anyone’s choice, but getting women pregnant while
doing so, leaving others to raise and pay for your kids, what does that say about this type of man?

Tell me..educate me if I am wrong.

[wink dinkersonParticipant 37]

8 years? Heck, up here in Canada it’s only 3 years.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

I’ve learned plenty of good MGTOW (way before I found out what MGTOW was) lessons from watching my two brothers and their failed marriages. One has been divorced twice and basically can’t go without a girlfriend for more than a couple months. It’s pathetic. The other married some ugly, stuck up, entitled bitch that’s pretty much got his b~~~~ in a mason jar on the mantlepiece. Now he’s basically estranged himself from me and my father (they are both my half brothers) because of her. Haven’t seen my brother in over a decade though I’ve become disgusted with him. Complete beta male that has always had these types of relationships where the woman bosses him around. He was going out with this Japanese chick at one point and when her parents would come to visit he got booted out of his own apartment so they could stay there because of some bulls~~~ cultural reason. Didn’t have the b~~~~ to kick her to the curb.

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