Male observer with a question.

[The Missing ManSpectator 342]

Hello all of MGTOW,
I am just a male observer to the manosphere,I’ve come to respect MGTOW via videos done by sandman and TFM.

I asked a question once on reddit asktrp but felt it went unanswered,which is basically my story,

As I being a 26 year old virgin with basically little past experience with women, should consider it wise to declare myself a MGTOW? I should also point out that I am comfortable with the lack of female contact.

I ask because most you guys seem to have experienced women firsthand before going MGTOW. You have all discovered redpill,it seems that there needs to be some kind falling from grace with women first to even consider yourself as a MGHOW.

But my impression of what an ideal MGHOW is someone like Howard Roark from the fountainhead. A man that is self determined and doesn’t let themselves get into a quagmire with women.

Please forgive my ignorance on the subject, I am at your mercy.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

The Missing Man wrote:

it wise to declare myself a MGTOW? I should also point out that I am comfortable with the lack of female contact.

absolutely it is wise.

for starters, i recommend that you vow to never get enslaved married.

your peers might pity you for being single. but you’ll get the last laugh when they get slaughtered by the divorce courts. (even if they don’t get divorced, they live a life as a beta provider/slave)

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22568]

Fools do not learn from their mistakes. Intelligent people learn from this mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of other people.

Mr.Arch-vile. You are learning from the mistakes from other people. That is wise of you.

[HitmanParticipant]

my brother .
you are a MGTOW when you decide to be.
many or no women in your life is irrelevant.
find contentment the way that works for you.
and welcome !

[EchoesParticipant 92]

Hello Mr. Arch, and welcome to the MGTOW forums. You definitely don’t ‘need’ to have that fall from grace with women, but that’s how most MGTOW have found their way here. I personally think you are in a better position by not having been tied up to women your life and going through cycles and cycles of manipulation and pain (divorce court, knocking up some random chick, etc.).

Howard Dare is another YouTuber worth checking out, and some of the MGTOW members here create their own content as well.

Best of luck on your journey

[EinherjarParticipant 608]

Welcome to the forums mate! Your question is just as well as it is honest, and there is no reason for you to think of it as silly. All men going their own way have a story, and they are as numerous as well as they are different. Remember, that all experiences with women counts as a basis for what you know, as a whole.

The Missing Man wrote:

should consider it wise to declare myself a MGTOW?

This is a question that will reveal itself to you when you are ready. One very important lesson to learn is to break free from your natural given addiction to women, your addiction to pussy. Satisfying this addiction is the source of many of the grievances each and everyone of us have experienced at some point. Be it the lack of it, or too much. Now if this addiction were to be broken, utterly removed from your mind, you will find yourself relieved.

Without the need for female validation, you will see no reason to pledge your servitude to a woman. At the very least, you will never be tricked into agreements (marriage contracts) that work against your best interests.

Hope to see you around on these forums:)

Cheers!

The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal - Aristotle (384 - 322 BC)

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

You shouldn’t declare yourself anything unless you understand and accept the basic principles.

Why would you call yourself a MGTOW, to justify your virginity?

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

I’m 25 and never been with women either. I was on the verge of becoming a PUA before I found this website and actually read the forums for quite a while.

It doesn’t matter if you’ve never been with women or not. It’s better to learn from the mistakes of others than to have done those same mistakes yourself.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

“Hello all of MGTOW, I am just a male observer”

This is dangerous talk here.

You have to be MALE to be here. Women are not allowed in this MALE space.

By being here is evidence you are a MAN.

You should NOT have to declare that fact.

Tread careful my friend. Be a man and just ask your questions. That’s what men do.

You don’t walk in a crowd of men and announce you’re a man.

Consider this your first mgtow lesson.

Welcome

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings Arch-vile,

Your situation and inquiry has been on my mind since I read it yesterday. I hope you can avoid the mistakes I made.

Knowing what I know now:

What would I do differently, if I could go back in time?

If I could bring my twenty year old self into the future, how would I advise my young self about resisting the multitude of prevailing temptations, loss of personal power, and avoid becoming a slave in 2016?

First, I would advise my young self to read every word posted on the MGTOW web site, including watching/ listening to the videos/ MP3’s on the archives. It is possible to follow registered members on MGTOW and go through their posts and replies. Some of my favorites have been Keymaster, Tower, and Stealthy to name a few. Nevertheless, I have found that all MGTOW’s have a wealth of knowledge and wisdom.

Second, bits and pieces of my story are scattered in my posts and replies. I would ask my young self to hunt them down. The posts made last year are sincere/ relevant, but I am evolving as my mind is exposed to other MGTOWs. Be advised that I have been in blue pill hell for decades and my reports are ugly, rough, and misogynistic.

Third, the things I had to do to stay competitive in Blue Pill Hell were like the things needed for a man to survive as a Gladiator in the Arena in ancient Rome. Now, as a free man, those skills are too f~~~ed up for sane people and I am suffering the consequences of my choices. So, my advice is to avoid Blue Pill Hell at all costs.

Forth, even though I was warned multiple times in the past about woman, I still had to go out and find my “Soul Mate.” See poster below. This phenomenon is dealt with nicely in the MGTOW discussions about finding a “Unicorn.” Learning about a woman’s ability to be a manipulative chameleon and a man’s capacity to be a fool is essential.

I am about to go out for a short bike ride with my mentor, Dave, who has spent his entire life as a MGTOW. Afterwards we will sit in his back yard, watch the birdies, and enjoy the tranquility. I have written about him in some of my posts/ reply’s. For over eighty years, Dave has had an amazing life and to this day, people always enjoy his company.

Your introduction has motivated me to write more about the natural born MGTOWs I have been fortunate to spend time with. Heterosexual men who have avoided woman and remain celibate all of their life are magical creatures. Today, a man like that is rare.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Anonymous 42]

The Missing Man wrote:

there needs to be some kind falling from grace with women first to even consider yourself as a MGHOW.

Hey Mr.Arch-vile, women and women only are the first ones to fall from grace If anything the hand of providence is upon us as we guide other men from the flaming wreckage of the woman’s liberation movement and the waves of feminism it spawned. Legal female entitlement along with “special legal privileges” coupled with narcissistic personality disorder, and female nature, has created a proverbial baby in a crib with several loaded guns.

The Missing Man wrote:

A man that is self determined and doesn’t let themselves get into a quagmire with women.

When you peel back the layers of a modern woman she gets uglier and uglier. Three full generations of feminism and its endless man bashing has placed men in an acid bath of lowered self esteem, they’ve been retrained from birth to tear down men from every possible angle.

History will show the high water mark of western prosperity was when men ruled society and legally owned 100% of his children. Imagine what men from the 1800 could do with our technology, they sure wouldn’t be squandering it on princess snowflake’s bloated hive mega-mammoth gynocentric government!

Next time time the strangleholds of excessive taxation tie you down, thank a modern woman and her liberal Democratic party, the party of two wolves asking themselves what’s for dinner in the company of a lone sheep.

Becoming MGTOW is a matter of learning about the true world around YOU, knowing modern female psycho-psychology’s ins and outs! Learning to decode manipulation and seeing the smallest of micro s~~~ tests, you’ll be able to read women on facial and body expressions before the have the chance to utter a single word.

If I had a son I’d teach him about all the atrocious things modern women will do to him, I’d feed him every single molecule of modern female knowledge, something MGTOW has engraved in stone, we wrote the book on it!

Hey you modern ladies, say hello to the WALL®.

[StandUpGuyParticipant 334]

I sure hope this is not tuna bait. I too read the Fountain Head. In the tuna bait world, they do not like much of his relationship with the girl in the book i.e. the first encounter he had with her. They call it rape; witch is false; remember it was a encounter written by a woman “Ayn Rand”; and it was her fantasy; not a man’s.

So biased off of the post; if your not into woman, then have no worries; you are saving yourself much pain and anguish in the long run. Enjoy your life and endeavors and do not look back.

[Aleph MaleParticipant 214]

Falling from grace with women? It’s the other way around, pilgrim: Women falling from grace with men = more MGTOWs.

Women are empty shells, this is why they latch onto men and suck them dry, eventually they bore the sh*t out of you. All the sh*t-testing and self-righteousness gets old real quick. The sooner you realise that the better.

It just took me a single relations~~~ to see right through these superficial creatures, and I’m never looking back again thank G-d. The best women can expect from someone like me is a “bed them, don’t wed them” approach, and that’s if they’re lucky in the first place, like I said women have this ability to bore the sh*t out of you and annoy you in the process.

I’m just happy I’m not a woman and that I don’t have to put up with their idiocy anymore.

Behind every miserable man there is a very happy woman.

[narwhalParticipant]

My advice is to forget about whether you fit the MGTOW label. Learn about the different things that MGTOW general believe, what makes sense to you, and then whether you currently apply it to your life, or want to start applying it.

The truth is much more important then the label.

Ok. Then do it.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Interesting hidden gem in this one…..

The Missing Man wrote:

should consider it wise to declare myself a MGTOW?

If you had a super power and could read minds or see through clothing. Would you tell anyone? Not telling anyone is the power play. Let them wonder.

But first, declare yourself a “man” and watch the reactions.

EXAMPLE:

The Missing Man wrote:

Male observer with a question

Male

It’s just “MAN”.

A “MAN” with a question.

Listen to the way people speak. “Male, guy, dude, cis-male, bro”….. No. He’s a MAN. Saying “MAN” already makes people uncomfortable.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE:

“my boyfriend” — or — “I have a boyfriend”.

“That’s so cute. Let me know when you’re ready for a MAN”.

So rather than declaring yourself “MGTOW” ( which is just like setting yourself up for a month of explaining), let them wonder “what does he know that I don’t, and why is he smiling?”. And start correcting people when they don’t use the word MAN. It’s quite remarkable how people actually avoid using the word, unless they are demonizing or criticizing him.

Just declare yourself a man and have fun with it!

“Who’s that guy over there?”.

“You mean MAN. Who’s that MAN.”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Male

It’s just “MAN”.

A “MAN” with a question.

This ^^^^^

They use the term male to dehumanize us.

A Man is a human being.

A male could be a male dog, fish, or any lower order if life. They do it on purpose.

I see men use the term male all the time too.

If you control language you control thoughts.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[The Missing ManSpectator 342]

Thank you all for replying.

Is there a search function for this forum?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The Missing Man wrote:

Is there a search function for this forum?

Yes. In the sidebar on the right.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[WhoIsAskingParticipant 105]

Welcome, my Brother, to the brotherhood of the smart.
In short: you do not need to have experienced personal drama with a woman to become a MGTOW. The reason why we (or most of us, for that matter) opt out is not because we had woman, but because a relationship is never in the interest of the man and a marriage license is basically a slave contract. This does not mean that your wife would be a bad person to begin with or wants to cheat you out of your money, but eventually, even the “best wife”, will enforce their power (which she is given by the state) and you will be on the losing end of it.

It’s not surrendering. It’s chosing the best possible option, which will increase your life quality drastically. If the fact that you are still a virgin bothers you that much, just get it over with and f~~~ a hooker 😉

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Hello. Mr. Mr. Arch-ville. First of all welcome to mgtow.com.

Second, if you are having feelings like “was I too silly?” please don’t do so. This might very well be the only place where a MAN does not get ridiculed for being naive. I’m naive too, and a lot more inexperienced that you…. but I do know one truth.

MGTOW is not a movement nor is it a special category of men. There are many men who haven’t even heard of the term….but they are MGTOW to the core.

Why did you say you’re a male? Of course, had it been in real life, you’d have no need to say that….because we would have looked at you and recognize that you are one. Declaration is needed when people cannot recognize you.

“I don’t recognize that jersey. Which school are you from?”
“I’m from South Hampton High School”

^^ The student decared himself as a South Hamptonian because people didn’t know where he was from.

If you declare yourself a MGTOW, you might very well be saying something like: “I’m from all the schools in the USA” …. but you know its not true because .. well.. you can’t really be from all the schools, right?

MGTOWs each have their personalities…. some are on the South Pole while others are on the North. So there isn’t really something ike ‘a group of mgtows’ though people like to categorize.

Its ok if you want to associate yourself with a label… wear a t-shirt… maybe a bracelet. or paint your car placard with the mgtow logo… that is up to you. MGTOW is just a plain label….something people despise of…. its just one word that generalizes all those different personalities in the best way it can.. nothing else.

I hope you got my point. Peace.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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