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[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

Hi there,

To be honest I’m not currently part of this community but I am looking around for information, I don’t like commenting and so forth on a group of people unless I’ve done my homework, plus not knowing things drives me crazy.

I’m currently looking for information on certain topics, well questions I have. I don’t expect people to answer here (though if you do it would be appreciated), but maybe if you could point me in a direction that would be great. So here goes..

1) How are MGTOW different from MRA’s if at all?

2) What about women as friends, are they some how excluded?

3) What about gay male MGTOW?

4) What do you really believe and why?

I’m not spoiling for a fight over this (I know how controversial the whole thing can get) but I’m up for debate. Either here, on my channel (as small as it is) and so forth.

 

Thanks in advance!

[coolsideofthepillowParticipant 190]

Well  the first thing I would ask is why do you automatically think answering your questions would turn into a debate, and what is your opinion on what you already know about MGTOW?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

1) How are MGTOW different from MRA’s if at all?

Men’s Rights Activist. Different from a MGHOW, an MRA actively strives to reverse the grossly unfair anti-male bias in the divorce and family court system. Where a woman can legally drop all of her parental responsibilities off and her unwanted baby at the local firestation with no consequences and no questions asked (i.e Roe vs. Wade), there are men in prison – right now – who have been ordered to pay child support for children that are not theirs. MRAs seek to restore an equilibrium in the tragically skewed Western legal system where women have (and want) 100% “choice”, but fail to accept (and don’t want) 100% responsibility.

MGTOW exercise assume their own rights , govern themselves, and negotiate with nobody.

What about women as friends, are they some how excluded?

Women have no comprehension of “friendship”. They will go shopping wither their “BFF” (best friend forever) and stab her in the back when she’s not looking. Even a 5 year old boy understands this about girls.

“She’s so rude. I hate her. She SO ugly….. but she’s my best friend”.

More on this with varying opinions here:

/forums/topic/can-mgtow-man-ever-be-close-friends-with-a-women-is-that-even-possible/

What about gay male MGTOW?

You can search the forums for that.

What do you really believe and why?

MGTOW is not a “belief system”. It’s an individual lifestyle choice grounded in reality.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

I’m more being careful and opening up to possibilities. I used to study social science and now in mental health circles so my language remains very open out of habit. Also I try and cover my backside as much as possible because some groups have attacked me for just asking questions. Also I know very little, I have only seen some men who really dislike women and some who are “I don’t need female relationships in my life”. So I withhold my opinion and judgement on MGTOW until I understand it better.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It’s got nothing to do with a “dislike for women”. If a woman wants to be “liked’ it’s not up to any man….. it’s up to her, really. If she is not likable, it’s her own fault. If I point out something distasteful or not-likable about a woman or her behavior (or even a group of them), I’m talking about what they are REALLY DOING and how they REALLY ARE.

So likewise, if I observe the moon and notice “the moon has no atmosphere” and I say it out loud… it doesn’t mean I don’t like the moon. I am observing it for what it really is. Nobody is required to “like” women as a group. It would be silly, unrealistic and impossible to “dislike women” (as an entire sex) just as it would be to love and adore them all.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

Cool, getting more of a picture now, thanks.

I’m here to learn first hand rather than passing judgement without knowing anything, that’s all.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

alternative_roo wrote:

1) How are MGTOW different from MRA’s if at all?

I can’t improve upon the answer previously given by KeyMaster.

alternative_roo wrote:

2) What about women as friends, are they some how excluded?

I have a GF and some female friends. While some MGTOW believe you can’t even have women as “friends” due to their biological hypergamy and social programming of current western media, I believe you can, to a degree. This is the beauty of MGTOW. There is NOT a dogma set to control your life. It is not a cult, it is not a religion, it is a mental state of existence that supersedes these definitions of ideologies.

I’ve come to realize the real reason for religion was to reign in women. This GF of mine is incredibly religious, I find that a strong religious conviction on traditionalist values helps level out the hypergamy of women. Severely lessens the c~~~ carousel and generally makes them more desirable as a GF.

Shes traditional, also wants a big family and has a career.

However, I have no intention of marrying her, and she knows this, she accepts it. I’ve explained all the reasons for not wanting to marry, she agrees with my viewpoints and understands how it is not advantageous for me at all.

alternative_roo wrote:

3) What about gay male MGTOW?

Gay men… are still men. They’ve definitely gone their own way. There may be a time where they too don’t look at marriage as advantageous, but at the moment they’re still fighting for that establishment. MGTOW is really avoidance of marriage due to gender inequality in today’s society. Since gay and lesbian are the same gender, while perfectly capable of understanding the need for MGTOW, they will have little to zero incentive to get behind this way of life.

Conversely, I have no stake in gay marriage. So while I don’t have a problem with it, it’s not my fight and I don’t actively push for it. (Unless straight up asked, yes I believe gay/lesbian should be able to get married. I don’t think “christianity” owns the domain of marriage exclusively, that’s just silly.)

The problem arises when gay/lesbian couples seek to get married in Churches that actively discourage or condemn such activity. The Churches are protected by “Freedom of Religion” to not be set upon in a manner that would betray their religious practices. That is… afterall… the main reason this country exists, escape of religious persecution. So if a gay/lesbian is bullying a church to get married, that to me is no different than a church harassing a gay/lesbian couple. Both are in the wrong.

Gays/lesbians should work on getting acknowledged by the government, then start their own “Church”. The beauty of this country is there is nothing to stop them from using the “Bible” if they so wish, and just tossing out the parts they don’t like. It’s still religion. It’s still protected as a freedom. This may be the pathway the will inevitably push down. Which I maintain is the right course of action.  (I rambled but just had to say that.)

alternative_roo wrote:

4) What do you really believe and why?

KeyMaster answered this best.

[MrMeParticipant 651]

Im gonna go with 4) because its more personal and subjective. However, know that my thoughts do not represent MGTOW as a whole.

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 11.4285717010498px; background-color: #fbfbfb;”>4) What do you really believe and why?</span>

I believe marriage is a waste of money and resources. I still peruse relationships (currently in a relationship with a girl who could be considered as friends with benefits) but I do not want to live with a woman, my own personal space is a necessity. The legal system is indeed rigged in favor of women but I am not an activist trying to change how things work , I adapt to the system so that I make decisions that better serve my interest (ie: not getting married).

Still am friend with some girls but the friendship is limited to what we have in common ; party, dancing, swimming and other such activities that I like. Women are strong and independent right? I treat them as such. If a girl asks me to pay for her stuff, its an instant red light. No go, aboard mission, then I delete her friendship folder in my brain because my friends have their s~~~ together and do not need my help to support themselves. I am not interested in people who mooch as a living, men and women alike.

Believe it or not, I want equality and I believe everyone to be equal. I treat people equally too and when a girl makes demands or s~~~ test me, I tell myself ; what would I do or say if this person was a man? and than I act accordingly.

I go my own way mainly because my dad was denied sex in his marriage for over 25 years , I cannot accept that in my life. I am getting what I want when I want it and no one is going to hold me back with some stupid contract.

[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

Thanks for the advice.

The reason why I ask about gay men in MGTOW (community is the best word?) is that I am gay. I supported gay marriage because I wanted to same legal advantages as a straight couple, that is all.

With women? Well I’m friends with anyone regardless of gender or anything like that, as long as we have enough things in common (or can chat about the stuff we don’t. Heck I’m a vegan and I have friends who are hunters).

 

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

@Alternative Roo: Please take your time. Don’t forget to let us know your opinion (and judgement?) about us so that we can reciprocate accordingly. BTW that’s an interesting choice of profile pic. Is that a kangaroo court judge?

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[Gen.OivanParticipant 88]

alternative_roo wrote:

Hi there, To be honest I’m not currently part of this community but I am looking around for information, I don’t like commenting and so forth on a group of people unless I’ve done my homework, plus not knowing things drives me crazy. I’m currently looking for information on certain topics, well questions I have. I don’t expect people to answer here (though if you do it would be appreciated), but maybe if you could point me in a direction that would be great. So here goes.. 1) How are MGTOW different from MRA’s if at all? 2) What about women as friends, are they some how excluded? 3) What about gay male MGTOW? 4) What do you really believe and why? I’m not spoiling for a fight over this (I know how controversial the whole thing can get) but I’m up for debate. Either here, on my channel (as small as it is) and so forth. Thanks in advance!

Having recently come into the light of MGHOW I am not as experienced in the Q & A of MGTOW but from what I have been reading the biggest difference from MRA is that MGTOW is not concerned about tipping the scales of justice back to equality, we want to just go on living our lives out of the societal “norms” of slavery and persecution.

Having women as friends is possible as an MGTOW, but you are going to have to accept the fact that it will be mostly one sided and you have to learn to say no. Every woman I know is crazy and have co-dependcy issues either not being able to leave mommies tit or wanting a man around even if she cannot stand having him around; as hard as it is you have to stay emotionally disconnected and be able to drop anyone of them at a moments notice when they start going bat s~~~ crazy. You also have to realize that when they are your friends they usually want something more from it, they either want your dick, your money, or your physical capabilities; although  most times they want the money and use your dick to get it.

I am going to answer the last two questions as one – being a mghow is exactly that, it doesn’t matter if you are gay, christian, atheist, transsexual, bi-sexual, whether you are celibate, or f~~~ 3 people a day. All that matters is you are doing what you want with no societal manipulation telling what you should be doing. The biggest difference between MGTOW’s and the rest of society is we respect that, we don’t judge others for doing what they want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others; when you cross that line and start dictating to people how they should live based off your beliefs then you become no different than the femminazi’s, white knights and manginas out there forcing their s~~~ others’ minds.</p>

[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

@livefree

Indeed that’s a kangaroo court judge. Comes from a joke where I am a in a group where I act in a sort of mock parliament. I love kangaroos and the two just came together.

I would say I disagree with some of the views on women (and I’m an anti-feminist and so on). At the moment I think it comes from anger of betrayal of fear of it. I understand totally, I’ve been crapped on by women, my mother was a drug abusing alcoholic that lied about me constantly. The court wanted to give her custody of myself and my sister (even though she was in no state to do so). Luckily my father was a police officers and knew how to fight the system. But when it comes to relationships, well I’m homosexual, so I’ve never really been crossed by a woman like that.

 

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

alternative_roo wrote:

The reason why I ask about gay men in MGTOW (community is the best word?) is that I am gay. I supported gay marriage because I wanted to same legal advantages as a straight couple, that is all.

You’re in a unique situation, because I believe that gay/lesbian marriages will actively push to balance the inequality of straight marriages eventually.

This is because gender does not come into play when gay/lesbians get divorced. Once the courts are more accustomed to dealing blindly with gender, then the sooner women can start being happy (It won’t be within this generation though, it’s too far gone and gays/lesbians are fighting as hard as they can as it is…).

There is a huge misconception among women, that men will be just as unhappy as they will be in the long run. This is incredibly false, men are extremely good at being solitary hunters. Some even prefer it this way entirely. Then you have the women that claim they’re just as happy alone. As if we’ll somehow be upset with that response.

They don’t yet realize it’s not a game. We honestly don’t care what women do with their lives. We’re not going to get worked up over them. (Unless we’re having sex, I always give a 1/1 orgasm rate. lol).

 

[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

One statistic I find interesting is that lesbian marriage currently has the highest proportional divorce rates.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

alternative_roo wrote:

One statistic I find interesting is that lesbian marriage currently has the highest proportional divorce rates.

How many gay/lesbian marriage counselors do you know? …..and they can’t randomly get each other pregnant.

Many traditional families have formed because the woman got pregnant, the man married her, they made it work. They HAD too, otherwise they risk being ridiculed by their community.

(When I say traditional I’m not talking exclusively Christian again… pick a religion.)

Gay/lesbian have to really put thought behind adopting a child, it’s not a “whoops my period’s late honey” situation.

 

[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

Well the theory currently is that women marry each other because they think marriage is a great thing and thus they jump into it too quickly, only to later realise they don’t like each other that much really.

On the other hand, gay male marriage has the lowest proportional divorce rates.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

alternative_roo wrote:

Well the theory currently is that women marry each other because they think marriage is a great thing and thus they jump into it too quickly, only to later realise they don’t like each other that much really. On the other hand, gay male marriage has the lowest proportional divorce rates.

Interesting. I know a few lesbian couples that have stayed together over the years, but usually it’s a sexually open relationship.

Don’t know that many gay men, I think I know two and they’re still together. I know more bisexual people than anything.

 

[alternative_rooParticipant 26]

I’m mostly going off of the statistics and theory.

[chirParticipant]

I can only give you my opinion.  Every man’s MGTOW is his own unique path.  I have been on this road for 22 years.

1) Men as MRA advocates are on a different path.  They seek to have discussions with Feminists and let them know we are human and have some god given rights.  I root for them but they are on a doomed path.  The Feminist movement is brainwashing their daughters to hate men or to have boys hate themselves.  Now the 3rd wave feminists are trying to convince the world that the very existence of man is an aggression on women and they are winning.  Why?  Because the rank and file of women don’t disagree with them.  Silence is taken as approval.    So how are MGTOW’s different?  I look at it this way.  MRA advocates are walking with the feminists trying to correct the bias and the misinformation.  MGTOW’s have seen the futility of this and have taken an off ramp to another road.  We are turning our backs on feminists, MRA’s and the female population.  We will take our resources / effort and focus it on helping ourselves and our brothers.

2) Women as friends are fine as long as the woman initiates the friend zone on you first.  A woman who says you are a friend is saying, I don’t find you sexually attractive now, however I might in the future depending on what options I have.  If the man is gay there can be no sexual tension so they get the benefit of having a man with them to ward off advances of other men and can treat the gay man like another woman friend.  Unless said gay man makes advances on a man the woman is sexually attracted to.  Then all bets are off.  A man cannot put a woman in the friend zone.  No woman will tolerate this.  Try it.  She will bail on you and treat you like crap and generally trash your reputation while all her social friends help.

3) A gay MGTOW is odd but gay men are still brothers.  Discussions of religion and gay’s aside, most MGTOW’s have decided to travel this road apart from women not because we hate them but because we cant abide by how men are treated by the feminist movement, specifically the new 3rd wave feminists.  So it is odd to see gay men traveling the MGTOW road, but welcome anyway.

4) MGTOW is not a belief system.  No religion there.  What I have observed over the past 30 years is the following.  Women have replaced the marriage contract with courts and government.  Men are seen as a wallet in marriage because the courts and government will extract by force the money the woman wants to raise her children.  Of course not all women are this way and yes some men can be monsters, but I have watched over the years as more and more women believe they are justified in marrying with the intent to divorce and extract as much money from the man as possible.  With this in mind I decided that the only winning move was to not play the marriage game.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[VoidraitheParticipant 477]

If your the same Alternate Roo who is active in #GamerGate I’m Voidraithe. I believe I follow you on twitter. If you want more conversation we can talk but I will answer you here.

1) F~~~ if I know. I was never an MRA but I am a MGTOW. I would like for family court to change but it’s not going to. Too many people with too much money to lose. I don’t believe it will change unless something drastic happens like mass acceptances of a MGTOW lifestyle by men.

2) I exclude no one as a friend. MGTOW vary on this however. One thing I do make sure of though is that I don’t get used by my female friends by doing things for her that a boyfriend or husband would do.

3) Gay men are men.

4) MGTOW is highly variable and some people seek no contact with women at all. Others will date, some are divorced people who are in a “never again” mode. Some people seem to have ideas on wht MGTOW should be but not myself.

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