Just went on a date, had to share!

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

Fellow Mgtow,

I have committed a grave sin, I took a woman out.   Seriously though, I have been trying to go monk 100%.  So I meet this girl from the Netherlands.  We converse a couple times, she is here on a work visa as a live in nanny; I figured why not, I am bored, and its been a while, lets see if I still got the mojo.

So before I take her out she trumpets how independent she is, how she doesn’t need a man or want a man to buy her anything etc.  So i figured man, maybe this broad will actually mean what she says and follow through!  As a test I set my phone up to a timer to see how long the check sits on the table before she picks it up, offers to pay etc.

Well, it got to 5 minutes & 42 seconds and I finally took my money out and put it in the holder and gave it to the waitress.  The waitress was gone for 5 minutes then comes back, this bitch goes, “oh are you sure you don’t want me to get that.”  I thought to myself, yea nice delay, just proved my point, not taking you out again.  So we are walking out saying our goodbyes and I figure I am not going to see her again, so I said< “it was so refreshing to meet a women who is independent, pays her own way and means what she says.”  She has a straight face and says, “im not like American women who expect men to pay for everything.”  She caught me so off guard with that response my saliva went down my trachea instead of my esophagus and I started coughing, I waved and turned around as I coughed all the way to my ride.

So, $20 in gas, $70 in dinner and tip.  And it just reaffirmed what I already know, they are worthless, doesnt matter if they are American or not.

So to all you guys who are lonely and want to be with women, because some how you trick yourself into thinking NAWALT, YES, YES THEY REALLY ARE.

Please commence the flaming and I told you so.

[SMADParticipant 651]

With a bit of assertiveness, that could have been more like:

“Ahh $70?  Not bad, here is my $35” and get that done and dusted.

If she doesn’t pay, that could be theft maybe (on her part.)  And as you say you won’t see her again, it wouldn’t have mattered 🙂

If she had challenged it – remind her that she said:

ComingInHot wrote:

im not like American women who expect men to pay for everything.”

Dating isn’t terrible, it’s just having the b~~~~ to stand up for yourself and NOT take s~~~ 🙂

 

 

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

One of the plethora of reasons I do not engage is nonsense manipulative social rituals like dating. Loneliness should be solved by forming lasting friendships founded on common interests and trust. Dating is no more than mammalian mating version of a job interview where everything you say and do is being evaluated by the other person on the basis of sexual and financial market value. Nonsense.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

SMAD,

If i ever get into the same situation somehow, I will remember your words of wisdom and try that.  I do think however that I have sworn off dating and women for at least another year +.  That $90 just really showed me nah, its not worth it.  I mean for the four hours I spent getting my ear talked off to, for $18 more that finances me another used superbike for a month.  1 month or 4 hours lol.

They just aren’t worth it.

 

Fermat, very wise interpretation of looking at the scenario and dating in general.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

ComingInHot wrote:

So, $20 in gas, $70 in dinner and tip. And it just reaffirmed what I already know, they are worthless, doesnt matter if they are American or not.

A $90.00 Annual reminder is far cheaper than a lifetime of child support and alimony.

You could almost say that it was an investment.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[RoyDalParticipant]

ComingInHot wrote:

I have committed a grave sin, I took a woman out.

No problem so far, it’s no sin to date a woman.

ComingInHot wrote:

So before I take her out she trumpets how independent she is, how she doesn’t need a man or want a man to buy her anything etc.

Actually, this is a red flag. As you will soon learn, she means the opposite.

ComingInHot wrote:

So to all you guys who are lonely and want to be with women, because some how you trick yourself into thinking NAWALT, YES, YES THEY REALLY ARE.

Yep, it’s in their DNA to take, take, and take some more, and then they give you dirty looks when you run out of dollars.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SMADParticipant 651]

ComingInHot wrote:

If i ever get into the same situation somehow, I will remember your words of wisdom and try that.  I do think however that I have sworn off dating and women for at least another year +.  That $90 just really showed me nah, its not worth it.  I mean for the four hours I spent getting my ear talked off to, for $18 more that finances me another used superbike for a month.  1 month or 4 hours lol. They just aren’t worth it.

One of the strategies I employ for myself, if you go down the path as a “dating MGTOW” , is that I do truly and sincerely believe in myself, my abilities and hold a VERY large sense of self worth.  I will openly admit I am arrogant in this sense – I am 6ft 3, I work out, was an Ex soldier / boxer / rugby player and I whilst I am not AMAZING looking, I don’t consider myself ugly.  I am also doing very well in my career (self employed engineer and scientist) and so with all that, this gives me ammunition for MYSELF to feel HIGH VALUE.

MOST women project high “self value” by making their vaginas “super special.”  Well guess what, my c~~~ is “high value” and it won’t go in any old hole.  I pay my way, but I won’t pay for hers – that 50/50 split is “MY S~~~ TEST” -if they kick up a stink, then I will *not* date them again and I don’t give a flying f~~~ if they go mental about it.  They fail, my attraction for them tanks.  Game over.  I just refuse to lower my standards and self worth for that sort of behaviour.

Whilst this approach doesn’t always get me many women, the women I *DO* get are high quality and actually worth the time and effort – 95% of women I have dated since I have had this “attitude” are still good friends and are not a pain in the butt.

Value yourselves HIGHER and project this indestructible self confidence – it’s ruthless, it’s brutal and you will get s~~~ thrown at you.  But, as my dad once said:

“All through life you walk through s~~~.  It’s how you wipe your feet that’s important.”

 

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[Anonymous 18]

I feel that chic has extra meat riding on ‘I am different than American women’ mantra. She likely believes it as well. Some man will happily be her green card.

[felixParticipant 406]

The last time I had a woman offer to pay for a meal her credit card was declined.  So I ended up paying anyway.

more throttle ..... less brakes.....

[WolfParticipant 890]

RoyDal wrote:

Actually, this is a red flag. As you will soon learn, she means the opposite.

Very true. If she has to state that she’s independent, then she’s not.

[dasboot89Participant 22]

LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE.  This is my biggest pet peeve with women.  It really is as if they are all escorts.  You have to entertain them, wine and dine them, shower them with gifts and presents, meals and drinks, just to talk to them and hear the stupid s~~~ that comes out of their mouths.

It just isn’t worth it, in my opinion.  It isn’t even that I’m going to go BROKE buying a woman a dinner.  It’s the POINT.  Why should I have to pay for this woman?  She isn’t my child, or my mother, or a relative that actually deserves it.

It takes the whole “equality” out of it when I am viewed as the provider.  And it makes me look at them less as humans.  If that makes any sense.  It’s disappointing.

Countdown until someone says “but not ALL women are like that” haahahahahha.  Can’t wait to hear that bushwa!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

@smad – Right on man.  That’s how I look at it too.  When I think of my own personal value, I think of years of hard work and taking care of myself.  Why should I value a woman just as high who has not done the same.  Her vagina is equal trade for my c~~~, if she has nothing to offer other than that, I’m not really interested.  Its called equality, women wanted it, now they can enjoy it!

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Never, ever, think that if a woman speaks, that it is valid, and truth.

It’s always the exact opposite.

Note: comebacks, learn to be a smartass, and you will always have a comeback, practice with your “girl” friends. Who cares, if they get mad, they make horrible friends anyways.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

dasboot89 wrote:

It isn’t even that I’m going to go BROKE buying a woman a dinner. It’s the POINT. Why should I have to pay for this woman? She isn’t my child, or my mother, or a relative that actually deserves it. It takes the whole “equality” out of it when I am viewed as the provider.

I don’t mind picking up the tab most of the time if I’m making a lot more than they are, as long as she is compensating in other areas…and no I don’t mean sexually either.  If I just paid the last two times we went out…when we have a night in they better f~~~ing be waiting on me.  Yes…I’d expect them to make me dinner, clean the f~~~ up afterwards, and if we’re gonna hang out and watch a movie or something, they can get their ass up and go make me some popcorn, don’t expect me to lift a finger.

If they want to play gender roles, they can play their role.  I just think a woman is a waste of time that finds it beneath her to go make you a sandwich as she is not your servant, but expects you to pay all the time because she still wants a provider.

[Anonymous 2]

MGTOW Level One here. I date and fornicate as well. No shame. It’s good to approach the whole dating thing with the Red Pill in mind. I just evaluate her according to my own values and if that doesn’t work out, sod it. I see it like gambling. I usually play low-stakes with “just drinks” at a bar, I’ll pick up the tab myself and will bluntly demand next time is on her. If she doesn’t complain she’s actually worth a second date and I’ll have spent the same amount of money I would have on a cheap arcade game to occupy an evening.

[dasboot89Participant 22]

Beer wrote:

dasboot89 wrote:

It isn’t even that I’m going to go BROKE buying a woman a dinner. It’s the POINT. Why should I have to pay for this woman? She isn’t my child, or my mother, or a relative that actually deserves it. It takes the whole “equality” out of it when I am viewed as the provider.

I don’t mind picking up the tab most of the time if I’m making a lot more than they are, as long as she is compensating in other areas…and no I don’t mean sexually either. If I just paid the last two times we went out…when we have a night in they better f~~~ing be waiting on me. Yes…I’d expect them to make me dinner, clean the f~~~ up afterwards, and if we’re gonna hang out and watch a movie or something, they can get their ass up and go make me some popcorn, don’t expect me to lift a finger. If they want to play gender roles, they can play their role. I just think a woman is a waste of time that finds it beneath her to go make you a sandwich as she is not your servant, but expects you to pay all the time because she still wants a provider.

I can cook a dinner and make some popcorn for a fraction of the cost of a formal dinner or meal.  That’s not much equality.

When you pay $100 and she spends $10 that’s not really much of a “partnership” lol.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

ComingInHot wrote:

As a test I set my phone up to a timer to see how long the check sits on the table before she picks it up, offers to pay etc.

Well, it got to 5 minutes & 42 seconds and I finally took my money out and put it in the holder and gave it to the waitress. The waitress was gone for 5 minutes then comes back, this bitch goes, “oh are you sure you don’t want me to get that.”

You need to learn the magic words. Use them while ordering. They would have completely prevented that situation:

“Separate checks, please.”

If your date complains about the magic words, or comments about them at all, that’s when you immediately get up and leave the restaurant, because there’s no point in continuing with her or wasting even a second of your ever more limited lifetime on her.

[dasboot89Participant 22]

I have thought about that “separate checks” thing, but I usually chicken out at the last second.

At the end, I usually ask “do you want to split this” and there is usually never an issue.  But I have had women pull out $20s and say “this is all I have, I hope it is enough” which is purely bulls~~~ because everyone has a credit card….

[felixParticipant 406]

I have female acquaintance that I help out from time to time.  Last time I was visiting her I mentioned that I am going to get something to eat.

So she offers to cook me up a meal: “I have some hot-dogs” ….   Me: “No, that’s Okay…” ( I think I will pass on the  microwaved hot-dogs)

more throttle ..... less brakes.....

[WolfParticipant 890]

dasboot89 wrote:

At the end, I usually ask “do you want to split this” and there is usually never an issue.  But I have had women pull out $20s and say “this is all I have, I hope it is enough” which is purely bulls~~~ because everyone has a credit card….

Yes, but a credit card that is likely maxed out.

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