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I’d be very interested to read it. Also what is interesting here is that a court in the UK is buying into a legally subjective standard of what constitutes fear; while in the US at least for men (see the Bernie Goetz case) courts have rejected the subjective standard and imposed and objective standard—which is why Bernie lost on appeal.
It used to be that the UK courts were only interested in facts. Now they appear willing to listen to rumour, heresay and conjecture.
Stay vigilant. They're everywhere.
I’d be very interested to read it.
Actually there was no internet at the time. Pre-1997 – I think emails were still new at that time – so I would have to look it up myself and I wouldn’t know where it’s documented. I also believe it may have happened in Canada – or the UK??
Google shows 62,400,000 results for “woman shoots husband in the back”.
That would keep me busy for a while, but I think that’s all any man needs to know. There are 62,400,000 google results for “woman shoots husband in the back”… when she could have just WALKED OUT THE GODDAM DOOR.
“Man shoots wife” only brings up 4 million results.
Curious, that.
We all know all those women didn’t “fear for their life”.
She wanted his f~~~ing money.“Women in their hearts believe men are intended to earn money so that she may spend it. If not her husbands lifetime, at any rate, after his death.”
– Schopenhauer c.1865If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.All I can say about UK courts is that the system of Common Law Pleading leaves me in the dust. I had limited exposure to such a thing because years ago Florida was the last common law pleading state in the union—now it is like the others a code pleading state.
My limited experience leads me to believe that a common law system has greater variance and flexibility when it comes to issues like this; whereas codes and regulations tend to be rigid and exacting.
Even so; the fact the winkler woman only spent 5 months in jail is unbelievable.
I’d be very interested to read it.
Actually there was no internet at the time. Pre-1997 – I think emails were still new at that time – so I would have to look it up myself and I wouldn’t know where it’s documented. I also believe it may have happened in Canada?
Googled shows 62,400,000 results for “woman shoots husband in the back”.
That would keep me busy for a while, but I think that’s all any man needs to know. There are 62,400,000 google results for “woman shoots husband in the back”… when she could have just WALKED OUT THE GODDAM DOOR.
“Man shoots wife” only brings up 4 million results.
Curious, that.
It means the Googlebot is a MGTOW. 🙂
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This might be the case you are thinking of 1991—really outrageous; NOTE: I may not be much good at most things but research is my BABY!
This might be the case you are thinking of 1991—really outrageous; NOTE: I may not be much good at most things but research is my BABY!
15 bullets ??? Does that mean she reloaded as well?
Sorry for my ignorance, I’m British so know sweet FA about guns.
Stay vigilant. They're everywhere.
Self-defense??? He was laying in the bath for f~~~s sake!!!
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This has really got my goat. I suffered 15 years of mental (and some physical) abuse from my wife. If I had decided that I’d suffered enough and killed her, I would now be looking forward to a meal of mashed slop and a lifetime of visits from Mr Big in the showers. 🙁
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15 bullets ??? Does that mean she reloaded as well?
Many modern auto loading pistols are what are called hi-cap or double stack. 15 rounds out of one mag is not uncommon. Personally I regard the use of such a thing as amateurish. Too often people so armed (including the police) devolve into a “spray & pray” tactic when firing. They fire a lot of rounds and Hope something is on target; as opposed to proper training and technique — one shot on target should suffice.
15 bullets ??? Does that mean she reloaded as well?
Many modern auto loading pistols are what are called hi-cap or double stack. 15 rounds out of one mag is not uncommon. Personally I regard the use of such a thing as amateurish. Too often people so armed (including the police) devolve into a “spray & pray” tactic when firing. They fire a lot of rounds and Hope something is on target; as opposed to proper training and technique — one shot on target should suffice.
Darn, there are times when I wished I was American and could take out my frustrations with a Magnum 44 and an old car.
Stay vigilant. They're everywhere.
They fire a lot of rounds and Hope something is on target; as opposed to proper training and technique — one shot on target should suffice.
As I understand it two small holes (the ‘double-tap’) is suppose to be far more effective that one big hole. Isn’t that why so many police forces have gone with the larger capacity 9mm pistols over the smaller capacity forty-fives???
That’s why I keep telling brothers to give these trollops nothing!
When you hear enough stories about men being murdered in their sleep or stabbed in the back while they’re walking away from a domestic depute, the “self defense” narrative goes out the f~~~ing window!As I understand it two small holes (the ‘double-tap’) is suppose to be far more effective that one big hole. Isn’t that why so many police forces have gone with the larger capacity 9mm pistols over the smaller capacity forty-fives???
The SAS think so.
Stay vigilant. They're everywhere.
The SAS think so.
The Canadian military uses (still) the 9mm Browning ‘Hi Power’ as a combat pistol and the Sig Sauer P225 for ‘domestic’ use.
When training with the Sig, one the requirements was to empty an entire 15 round magazine onto a single target as fast as you possibly can (and still hit the target of course)…
You know this will reach the point where women charged will murdered will say. “Yes your honor. I feared for my life, so I stabbed him in the back, while he slept in his bed, in the home I broke into.”
Sadly Faust is right, we are nearly there already:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Winkler (notice she spent only 5 months in jail)
“A jury of 10 women and 2 men”, (face palm).
No. The jury will be 10 women and 2 manginas.
As I understand it two small holes (the ‘double-tap’) is suppose to be far more effective that one big hole. Isn’t that why so many police forces have gone with the larger capacity 9mm pistols over the smaller capacity forty-fives???
In theory yes—but that pre-supposes the second shot is on target. Most of time firing very fast means most shots miss. The police went to hi-cap mags and 9mm precisely because when the circumstance gives them the green light to shoot—they empty the mag. On target or not doesn’t matter.
Even for me its difficult to manage recoil from the first shot and insure the second is on target if I’m firing for speed—and any shot after that, well recoil effect is cumulative. That is also why I prefer revolvers. One shot in the right place is more than enough; and revolver shooters who are properly trained don’t have the luxury of “pray & spray”, but a second or third shot WILL be on target. Given the ballistics of various rounds .357, and .41 mag just about beat out any other round. And 10mm is the most efficient and powerful for the auto-loaders. Frankly ANY hole in a human body is potentially lethal regardless of size.
The key factor is penetration–which is why I only use hollow points in loads with great velocity like 357/10mm/9mm but I use hard cast bullets in slower stuff like 38, .45 acp and .45 LC. A big bullet with deep penetration is always going to be fatal.
BTW The Browning Hi-Power is probably the finest 9mm on the market–including the imitators; CZ, Tanfoglio, and the Hungarian FEG. I might be a revolver guy but I love my Tanfoglio.
Many modern auto loading pistols are what are called hi-cap or double stack. 15 rounds out of one mag is not uncommon. Personally I regard the use of such a thing as amateurish. Too often people so armed (including the police) devolve into a “spray & pray” tactic when firing. They fire a lot of rounds and Hope something is on target; as opposed to proper training and technique — one shot on target should suffice
Exactly! Spoken like the professional you are.
Believe it or not Massad Ayoob lives in the same town I do and although I’ve never spoken to him I know he is an advocate of the double-tap–and I suppose if you practice every day with the same pistol and the same loads (as he does—he has a private range at his home) you could make this work—also assuming the target doesn’t move.
My perspective is that there is a BIG difference between shooting paper on a range and shooting people. Paper doesn’t move. People do. And contrary to what you see in the movies when someone is shot even with a large caliber high power firearm they DON’t fly backwards etc. Instead they fall straight down/back. So if your first shot hits on target, where is that target going to be in relation to the second shot and your first aim point?
I’m not trying to take issue with the “great one” after all HE is the one who gets published and paid lots of $$$ for the classes he teaches BUT just saying.
Point of order: sorry I used the term hard-cast. Let me explain. Bullets are arranged by a specific weight. Their power is calculated based upon that weight and velocity. BUT one can change the density of the bullet while leaving the weight the same. All lead has the same density but by mixing tin and nickle into the lead the density becomes much greater. Thus the bullet is less likely to expand or deform upon impact so the energy doesn’t get spread out but rather keeps moving forward ie deeper.
Hope that helps.
NO you can’t buy these they have to be made by the user.
I am not a lawyer but worked in insurance with 10 years extensive litigation experience. One thing that was commonly understood regarding liability (fault) is the term “reasonable person”. As in, what would a reasonable person do in the same situation. This may seem simplistic but if you apply it to a specific example it really can clear things up.
I don’t know how the courts view this in different juridictions but I worked several states across the country and the term was just as common and applicable everywhere. It would seem to be a universal application.
Given the case in this thread it would be difficult to say, given the lack of information we have, if a “reasonable person” would have been afraid for her life and if a “reasonable person” would have stabbed her husband three times and killed him. Given that she has the advantage of having a vagina I am sure she received the benefit of the doubt. Especially when she turned on the water works (poor thing!).
I want to be a “reasonable person” about this but from what I’ve learned about female nature she’s likely just another lying c~~~.
"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place.” Quote from Arthur Shopenhauer, 17th century philosopher
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