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Furthermore Jordan Peterson is trying to allege that he’s a some sort of strong and potentially dangerous man who is kept under control just only because pair bonding.
While, actually
Either married or single this man isn’t strong, he isn’t likely to be violent because he lacks strenght.
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We all know what they mean by “violent”. Standing up for yourself and disagreeing with feminist bulls~~~ is violence by their standards.
Monogamous pair bonding makes men less violent.
Until Beta realizes that Pumpkin is incapable of monogamous pair bonding when he finds out she has been cheating on him.
Then the potential to become violent increases.
I totally agree. We all got sold the same illusion but some of the men aren’t prepared when it falls before their eyes. And if they are already mentally unstable they become killers.
I think that’s why so many women get murdered. Men aren’t taught to be able to live without them. Quite the contrary, you are told you are only complete when you are in a relationship with a woman. This creates an very dangerous obsession where men are taught to search for their hapiness in others.
They are also told that they should be insistent because they can conquer a woman’s love. HAHAHA such bulls~~~.
When all this indocrination meets an already mentally weak man then you are set to have a bloodbath.
Pity and contempt are siblings. You only feel pity for those you consider weak.
By saying that the tradcuck is contributing to increase the number of suicides among men, especially among divorced men.
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I think that’s why so many women get murdered. Men aren’t taught to be able to live without them. Quite the contrary, you are told you are only complete when you are in a relationship with a woman. This creates an very dangerous obsession where men are taught to search for their hapiness in others.
I agree gui. Well stated.
How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.
Ya, those celibate monks and priests are ultra violent.
Those blue pill idiots who watch football and UFC are pacifist to the core.
Peterson triggering feminists is cool; everything else about him is a scam.
If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.
….it doesn’t. Violence has ZERO to do with sex or pair bonding or marriage or anything. It’s just Peterson fumbling, stretching, grasping for anything that will prove his narrative. Violence is a primal instinct developed over millions of years so we didn’t become dinner for lions. That’s what it is, where it came from and what it’s good for…. has ZERO to do with sex.
I agree. I was just pointing out how Peterson doesn’t actually like the obvious solution to the problem he thinks exists. There isn’t a problem of “male violence.” There is only a problem with violence in general when it is misdirected. Men and women are both guilty of it.
Divorce make men more unstable and violent.
Exactly. Never expected I would dream the dreams of violence that I do.
Definitely sympathize with this. I never knew such intense feelings of rage and frustration as when I was going through my divorce. I had anger towards my ex, her family, her friends, and her church, for jumping to her side without any support for me even though she was the one who was a cheating whore. Everyone assumed that I was the bad guy. This was the first time I had nightmares of murdering people.
You can’t have monogamy without a strict prohibition of divorce and adultery. But I don’t hear Peterson calling out for abolishing those things. He wants to put the cart before the horse.
"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul
I think that’s why so many women get murdered. Men aren’t taught to be able to live without them. Quite the contrary, you are told you are only complete when you are in a relationship with a woman. This creates an very dangerous obsession where men are taught to search for their hapiness in others.
I agree gui. Well stated.
Most women are fine with such system and they’re glad to accept that some women are being murdered as long as it keep the whole system afloat, because the alternative for women as whole would be much worse: men not caring about women would result in a dramatical drop of the number of women murdered by their partners and in a much more dramatical drop in support and free stuff for all women. For every c~~~ who is murdered there are 26,000 c~~~s getting free stuff with such system – those numbers are real, not random.
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For every c~~~ who is murdered there are 100 c~~~s getting free stuff with such system.
And the 99% of women left have now been weaponized to come after any previous lover with no proof. Merely accusation and his life, reputation and career are ruined.
The more men she f~~~s the bigger the pool of men to be extorted. And the richer the better.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
You can’t have monogamy without a strict prohibition of divorce and adultery. But I don’t hear Peterson calling out for abolishing those things. He wants to put the cart before the horse.
Therefore the word “tradCUCK” that is a good description of him.
He’s weak, avoiding the real target.
I would rather prefer to deal with a feminist rather than a cuck pretending to be a strong man like Peterson, at least you can bait the feminist to support anti-marriage ideas (aka: men leave the plantation) and surrogacy (aka: men being able to reproduce in a much cheaper way and without having a c~~~ stoling the children) but you can’t do it with the tradcucks.There’s no need to make divorce illegal.
People should be able to get a divorce at will.
Without getting any money: ZERO, NADA.
That would drop the number of divorces by a good 80%: in USA it would drop from 52% to less than 11%, in Italy it would drop from 28% to less than 6%, and so on. And without financial ruin, even those divorces would be a lesser issue.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Go and tell women to be monogamous then. Good luck! Women are HYPERGAMOUS by nature.
Dr. Veritas' Red Pill dosage recommendation: Once a day or more as needed.
I would rather prefer to deal with a feminist rather than a cuck pretending to be a strong man like Peterson, at least you can bait the feminist to support anti-marriage ideas (aka: men leave the plantation) and surrogacy (aka: men being able to reproduce in a much cheaper way and without having a c~~~ stoling the children) but you can’t do it with the tradcucks.
His “product” is to “help” people, it means make people with relationship and life problems trust him and hire him do help them or buy his books.
MGTOW is the easy solution, “I won’t take your s~~~, I’m going my own way now”, and it’s done, but keep a frustrated man in the plantation, is something that will cost several sessions. I never read one of his books, but I’ve people in my social circle who did, basically is the self-help crap, according to some people, there are good things there, but I won’t waste time.JP is a wise man, he knows a lot about psychology and has several interesting videos on youtube, but as a MGTOW we have to filter a lot of what this guy says, specially because our core values are really different. You can for sure take a good thing or two in several of his videos, is like to ask for movie recommendations from a tradcuck that knows a lot about cinema, he will try to push some romcoms and bulls~~~, you just ignore that and take the names of the other movies.
IMHO, is just a matter of time to JP change his mind about MGTOW. First he called us miserable weasels or something like that, then he apologized and said that we have some reasons. Just a matter of time to he give up and recognize that his values don’t belong to the actual society, and trying to push them to young males will just make them even more frustrated. I don’t know how much time will take to that happens, but I bet a beer that a video of his wife doing a DP with some dudes will make him change his mind in no time ! HAHAHA
No matter how you dress it up.
A s~~~ sandwich is a s~~~ sandwich.
Call it a Turdburger, a Fecal Fillet, a Defecated Delight, or what ever you want to call it.
I wont eat another one, and who ever tries to force me to snack on one better be ready to fight for their life.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
We all know what they mean by “violent”. Standing up for yourself and disagreeing with feminist bulls~~~ is violence by their standards.
Monogamous pair bonding makes men less violent.
Until Beta realizes that Pumpkin is incapable of monogamous pair bonding when he finds out she has been cheating on him.
Then the potential to become violent increases.
I totally agree. We all got sold the same illusion but some of the men aren’t prepared when it falls before their eyes. And if they are already mentally unstable they become killers.
I think that’s why so many women get murdered. Men aren’t taught to be able to live without them. Quite the contrary, you are told you are only complete when you are in a relationship with a woman. This creates an very dangerous obsession where men are taught to search for their hapiness in others.
They are also told that they should be insistent because they can conquer a woman’s love. HAHAHA such bulls~~~.
When all this indocrination meets an already mentally weak man then you are set to have a bloodbath.
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50% of taxation is theft, the other 50% is pure masochism because you pay for c~~~s to get welfare so they keep voting for people that will f~~~ your ass every day
Anonymous3The problem if anything is lack of violence.
Nobody ever accuses gang leaders or thugs or law enforcement or military or warlords of being violent. Want to know why? Because most people are cowards, and those types of men will put you into your grave for mouthing off about them.
It’s a lot easier to bully around blue pill men and individual men who aren’t harming anybody.
This is life experience talking. If people think you will punch them in the face for p~~~ing you off, they will do everything in their power to keep from p~~~ing you off. The second people sense weakness in you and think they can push you around, that is when the vilest accusations and attacks come, and trying to defend yourself in that situation only gives everyone an excuse to gang up and pounce on you.
When a society is healthy, it thus requires a certain level of violence. That violence scares the worst members of society, and forces them in line because they can’t get support when they themselves are under fire. So everyone just shuts up, and so good men that bother nobody are in a solid spot and can just function normally.
But in the current decayed society, you have to join in on materialism and virtue signalling and constant liberal outrage if you want to be a part of society. Your only other choice is ghosting, and you really can’t ghost that easily until after you’ve already gotten to a certain level in your career and already suffered through this decayed society. Most men struggle with that and usually are just broken by the time they even have that choice. That is by design.
But again, I’ve never seen a violent person accused of being violent. It’s always some nerdy guy, someone that is decent and doesn’t understand how to manipulate others. This is a woman’s world, so you have to think and act like a woman, or you have to go the other way and be an effeminate, good for nothing scoundrel of a man. The very people that are kept in line in other societies, and why these men and women hate the “patriarchy” so much, the system where they are accountable and good men can defend themselves.
They overlook the fact that men who stay single report greater happiness than married men. No nagging bitch of a wife that expects to be taken care of with no gratitude for it.
Gynosociety has made women utterly toxic to men.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
All right. I have time to cover this in more depth now.
The hack is confusing correlation for causation.
The number of lasting stable monogamous pair-bonds out there is so small that the outliers start seriously skewing the results into meaninglessness, yet the hack thinks he can get some sort of valid conclusion from 4% of the total sample?
Think about this for a moment.
Statistically speaking, what male demographic is the most likely to get into a stable monogamous relationship and stay there? Upper class, rich, college educated, professional men who themselves come from stable, two parent households. (Note: I’m not saying it’s likely, just that it’s the most likely – 4% is still greater than 0%.)
And what male demographic is the least likely to get into a stable monogamous relationship and stay there? Broke ass street thug baby daddy toxic waste of the welfare state coming out of single, unwed, child beating baby mommas in section eight housing.
Now ask yourself this: which group is more likely to be violent? Are they violent because they’re not in a monogamous pair bond? Or are they violent because that’s how they, themselves were raised?
How can that be misinterpreted to find a causal relationship?
This is how we know Jordan Peterson is a hack.
Violent? F~~~ that. Men have spirit and drive, or at least they should.
Women twist it under duress of marriage so that the only ‘good’ use of such power and drive is to serve them. Used for anything else it becomes ‘violent behaviour’ or gets labelled as this toxic masculinity bulls~~~.
Pouring all of those good qualities into the single selfish whim of a woman f~~~s guys up in the head.
Society: I refuse your stick and carrot. If you try to beat or shame me you'd better take me down first time. If I want smoke blown up my ass I'll buy a cigar and a length of hose.
Many Married Men are just too damn wore out physically, psychologically, spiritually, and emotionally to have all that much energy left for to many things besides pulling the cart.
This right here. Men are too tired chasing the carrot of the family, running from the stick of divorce courts, to cause trouble.
I’m going to think aloud here.
I think historically there is probably some truth to this. Men have a dominance instinct and it’s tied to our reproductive strategy. Historically, women were much more biologically successful than men (17 women reproduced per male from what I’ve seen). What this tells us is that a small number of men had all the women. But men have a strong drive to reproduce, and this pressure plays out violently in nature.
So along comes “monogomy” according to various religious traditions. The church throws men a bone (badum-tiss) : You be good citizens, work hard, take care of your family, and you get to make all the babies your woman can pump out. By the way, most of them are going to die. But keep going.
It was pretty stable. It was functional. It controlled both men’s and women’s vices and worked more or less harmoniously with human nature. We got that “tournament” courtship in men trying to win their prospective mate by bribing her family. We then got “pair bonding” after the marriage in socially-enforced monogomy. If the man didn’t take care of the woman, or she slept around, the man paid for the woman’s infidelity–usually by being dragged out of town on a fence post drawn by a horse. The woman was then effectively socially shunned if she stayed.
It wasn’t perfect, but it worked.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805Statistically speaking, what male demographic is the most likely to get into a stable monogamous relationship and stay there? Upper class, rich, college educated, professional men who themselves come from stable, two parent households. (Note: I’m not saying it’s likely, just that it’s the most likely – 4% is still greater than 0%.)
I was actually responding to the OP before I read the entire thread history and the forums ate part of my reply. Kermit is missing other potential causal factors and wishing away the dearth of unsuccessful “monogomous” marriage. Monogomy barely worked even in the height of the romantic era of the 1940s and 1950s. What happened was the men went to the city to work, paid for prostitutes while they were there, and their wives f~~~ed the milk man while their husband was gone. Infidelity was wide-spread and pretty openly discussed. It was so common it made it into Hollywood and advertising campaigns, for f~~~ sake.
Now, onto the “other” causal factors. We already know that people with higher intelligence are also more agreeable. They are less violent, more prone and capable of negotiating in their best interests. They’re naturally more successful, and they tend to select mates that share their intelligence, which means smarts run in families.
Are we seeing the pattern here, Kermit? I’ll repeat that: smarts run in families. It’s a heritable trait that directly offsets violence. If you can negotiate, non-violently, and get what you want at lower risk, you do so. Cave-manning a wife is what happens when you get some low-IQ thug who is barely literate in his own native language. Throwing him a bone isn’t necessarily going to slake his “Bam-Bam” streak, and whatever poor bitch you give him certainly isn’t going to stick with him because his SMV is very low.
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