I've withheld comments 'til now, but an Intro seems appropriate

[EndwatcherParticipant 81]

I agree with with the idea of the only way true MGTOW exist is from no rules. Otherwise it wouldnt be going their own way…it would be going someone elses way.

MANY men who are married are MGTOW I being one.

My uncle is straight up MGTOW, I remember his storys growing up and hes been married “Just left a bitch who was trying to take advantage of his wise investing”

We dont need to go into detail about everyones plans, but we all have em.

Some choose to play war like checkers, some like to play like chess.

We play like chess, and calculate all the moves and counter attacks.

 

 

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Franky wrote:

This is about the meaning of the word “MGTOW”. Think about if it was as fluid as you propose it is and married men could be MGTOW what exactly would make MGTOW men different from blue pill men?Would this word need to exist in this scenario?Why not just call all men MGTOW then? I need to say this not as a response to you ,i’m not even talking to you right now, but because it may be forgotten and after time MGTOW will be so murky that it will mean nothing.

This is a very very valid, solid and indelible point, especially the part about being murky.

I thought this was succinctly put, Franky.  I was addressing this very thing on another thread, although not in the context of those who are married.

I think in some cases, with married fellows, I like to think of them as “MGTOW in Waiting”, as per them not satisfying rule #2 re: being married.

As so many of us know, exiting a marriage can be a complex, expensive, and very time-consuming endeavor.  Exiting hastily to satisfy a principle can be exceptionally costly;  if a guy doesn’t have his ducks in a row, he can be f~~~ing himself, and but good.

It might be a bit like being in jail after a 10 year sentence.  You’ve got two months left to go, out of a dime stretch, and they will be the two hardest months you do.   You’re rehabilitated, CHECK.  You’re ready to rejoin society, CHECK.  You’ve got a place to go on the outside, CHECK.  Wait.  S~~~.  The bars are still there.  Freedom?  Member of Society?  Citizen.  NOPE.  Still have those two months to go.  In your heart and dreams, you’re already at a greasy pizza joint, eating wings and pouring draft beer down your throat.  Still have those two months to go.  You might not be able to take it any longer, and you even have a hacksaw hidden in your mattress.  But using it to break out ahead of time isn’t going to be very wise, and whoever convinced you to break out in that last desperate stretch wasn’t doing you any favours.  You’ll only be free for about 18 hours or so before the reality of just how bad you’ve f~~~ed yourself sets in.  You aren’t truly free yet, but you really do appreciate the visits from your buddy, talking about going to the pizza joint.  Those visits might be the only thing keeping you going.

I completely get what you’re saying, but I think one of the most important and vulnerable times or stages of being an MGTOW for a married or soon to be divorced guy, the divine spark if you will, is that point where you know you need to leave your marriage.

I think it’s pretty important if a guy reaches out at that early red-pill stage, we’ve got a chair waiting.  It can be one of the most desperate times in a guy’s life.

I’m not really contradicting you Franky, as you in fact welcomed Ogre.  🙂

I was just thinking out loud, remembering back to the last months of my last marriage.  I sure could have used a hand.  I was free in my mind, but by definition, was in fact not.  Still needed someone’s ear, and I don’t know if I’d have entirely had the strength to do it, had I not had that ear or handshake.

Just my two cents on it, if they are worth anything 🙂

 

 

[QcummerParticipant 652]

“I’m married and I’m MGTOW”

Shut. The. F~~~. Up.

Go buy a house.

Is it yours?

No.

The LAW makes it hers too.

You can’t go you OWN way because what you own, SHE OWNS.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Thanks everybody for the mostly warm welcomes. I’ve been mulling over sending an intro and reading a lot of opinions on the forums since the end of January, I signed up in March or April. Thanks KM for the site. I’ll resume lurking now, since the membership already does such a good job of handling the multitude of issues that men bring here.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

wise decision

[KeymasterKeymaster]

A woman wrote to us and said “We all go our own way – men and women – whether it’s left or right.” – as if NOTHING is exclusive to MGTOW. But we know that’s nonsense, because a woman won’t even peacefully leave the room when you want her to. Too many women need to be PAID MONTHLY to away for anyone to pretend women “go their own way” on any level at all.

“Where are all the good men?” is not the cry of independence.

It’s true that marriage contract virtually (and legally by it’s very definition) ensures you can’t possibly “go your own way” while married. A man’s “own way” would certainly not include writing monthly checks to EX in order to be able to do it. Not even your progeny is “yours” and a man can’t raise them as he sees fit in the eyes of the legal system, either.

I appreciate the @ogre‘s intro regardless.. and am very happy he joined.
Thanks for being here and finding value in it.

I don’t want to add this too soon after saying that….. but I also appreciate Franky (and others) insisting there are certain things that are (and must be) exclusive to MGTOW else there really is no point. There are so many people out there who think MGTOW is some kind of “moral issue”…. having to do with personal hurt… or not getting enough blowjobs… or whatever else…

But it’s not a moral issue. It’s a LEGAL issue.

The 5-letter label is legal technicality and I will remove my MGTOW hat to talk to a guy like Ogre when he needs someone to listen.

••••

My Dad was married until his last breath, but when I was 17, I bought him a $1 lottery ticket and asked “Hey Dad! What would you do with $100 million if you won??”.

He said “I would give you $10 million… your brother $10 million … your mother $10 million… and I would f~~~ off to my my home country”.

I will never forget he said that. I even remember the weather and what direction I was facing when he said it. It came as a shock to me. But I understand him perfectly today.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

EscapedMentalPatient wrote:

I completely get what you’re saying, but I think one of the most important and vulnerable times or stages of being an MGTOW for a married or soon to be divorced guy, the divine spark if you will, is that point where you know you need to leave your marriage. I think it’s pretty important if a guy reaches out at that early red-pill stage, we’ve got a chair waiting. It can be one of the most desperate times in a guy’s life.

You have a point.I tried to be tactful but it seems i set up a hostile environment for these men.

I apologize if my comments made you feel not at home.

Ogre you said you would resume lurking, this was not the idea of it all, you’re free to talk and express yourself and this place is as much as your home as it is mine.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Thanks, Franky. I mentioned in my first post that some people wouldn’t be welcoming because I’m not at the same place as some of you guys. If I go back to lurking it’s because there are a hell of a lot of great points and a lot of men in dire straights helped weekly here without my input. I owed an intro before I start weighing in, but with as often as I am catching up and reading great responses I don’t feel the need to add and possibly confuse somebody who’s getting information overload already. I won’t be afraid to join in if I see a point or angle that somehow has been missed. I took no offense from anything you’ve said.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

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