I've withheld comments 'til now, but an Intro seems appropriate

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Howdy MGTOW,

I am here because I found the site and forum during a disgruntled late night search early this year. I will keep this very brief because if I listed everything in detail we’d all be here a long time. I would classify myself as a red pill married man, I’ve been on the trenches of a most times embattled marriage for 24 years. Now I have been around long enough to know that some MGHOW don’t believe that a married man can truly be MGHOW, but bear with me and maybe you’ll appreciate where I’m coming from.

The reason I’m here and finally posting my intro is because in February after an unexplained sex drought that coincided with a period of increased criticism from my wife I told her that May 1st I was leaving for 60 days to determine whether I was going to stay in the marriage. Many tears and telling the kids later, I found I was absolutely OK with being the bad guy. I didn’t wind up leaving when I said, but that just means that I don’t feel compelled to warn the next time. There’s a lot more to that, but I’ll avoid writing a saga.

The February warning shot is far from the first time that I have been ready to leave. In 2011, when I proudly announced to her that I had submitted my military retirement she instantaneously went cold for over a five month period. During that time I slept very little and she didn’t even come to our bed until I would get up and leave for work most nights. I realized that for a long time I was the only one who “tried” at the marriage and by the end of that time I was absolutely ready for her to drop paperwork. Now, four years later, I only have one child who requires any support from me and I’m still able to walk any day that I decide I’m done with the BS.

When I was a kid, one of my favorite shows was Grizzly Adams and I was disappointed when I grew up enough to know that you couldn’t just head out into the mountains and stake a claim anymore. If that was the case I would have lived my 9 year old dream and lived as a hermit forever, never marrying. At least with a bear as your best friend you know where you stand at all times.

My story is very different from most members here, but I am a pro-active person. If everything goes sideways for the marriage, I’m already on my own path. It’s her that has to figure out how to earn more money than she ever has to continue to support the lifestyle she has grown accustomed to. She may get half, but I can survive on my half quite well.

 

P.S. Another less important reason for my first post is that today I saw my avatar posted on the wall. I’ve had this avatar for months and nobody had seen it associated with me.

 

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Welcome Ogre

I feel so much for your predicament and totally understand why you say your mgtow.

It must be a nightmare wanting out but yet still trying your best for others.

At least most are free here and I have nothing but administration for you.

I just hope you find a solution and get to live a peaceful life not being chained to others.

Love the avatar ☺

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Welcome, Ogre.

Congratulations on your military retirement, and on starting a new chapter in your life, sir.

I can really empathize with the Grizzly Adams part of your story, more than I can express.

I hope that the journey which you’re embarking on brings you what you seek.

Best regards.

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Thanks for sharing your story as well as your service to our country. Even if you are married you can still be a mgtow, it’s something she can’t take away from you nor anyone else…so pull up a chair and have a round on us.

 

 

[SteveParticipant 462]

Welcome, I like your intro.

“If everything goes sideways for the marriage, I’m already on my own path”.

Thats how I am, aligning my ducks now for a hasty exit. I’m just a novice in the marriage game so looking forward to learning from your experiences.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Married men cannot be MGTOW.No buts no anything, you’re red pill and you’re welcome on this site but you aren’t MGTOW.

[comesemfomeParticipant 10]

Welcome sir,

posts like that turn me even more certain about marriage. I remember a few years later when I was dreaming about marrying my ex. Absolutely wrong. I don’t know if I’m already a mgtow, there is a lot to be learnt, but brothers like you are just helping me with that.

Enjoy your new life! Cheers!

[Anonymous 42]

Ogre, are you planning an active exit strategy? If so, I conciser you a MGHOW.

Your half will double over time, as her half dwindles down to a few bags of cat food.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Welcome!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[QcummerParticipant 652]

“P.S. Another less important reason for my first post is that today I saw my avatar posted on the wall. I’ve had this avatar for months and nobody had seen it associated with me.”

So you saw a photo on the wall.
This photo is your avatar.
You noticed that nobody payed any attention to you (because of an avatar pic)
One must post for their avatar to be seen, so of course no one would associate it with you, nor does it really matter about what image you choose.
So one of your ‘less important’ reasons for posting, was for attention..which you weren’t getting by doing nothing.
I’m a professional c~~~ punter.
You’re a t~~~.

[bluenose-redpillParticipant 19]

Welcome. Great intro, by the by, and good call on pulling the pin on the military when she pulled the pin on the marriage.  If MGTOW is a way of understanding and you understand, you’re in. They say women cannot truly love and can have an infinite number of relationships, while men can but only a finite amount until he understands that they are relations~~~s. Have fun!

[QcummerParticipant 652]

oh geez. two t~~~s in a row.

[bluenose-redpillParticipant 19]

Jeez, I didn’t sniff anything like tuna from his post. Is this about the whole MGTOW definition thing? If it’s not a movement, then it’s not exclusive, right? Am I getting punted already? It’s been a few days since I registered?

[bluenose-redpillParticipant 19]

Maybe I will stay out of the entrance…

[SteveParticipant 462]

Franky wrote:

Married men cannot be MGTOW.No buts no anything, you’re red pill and you’re welcome on this site but you aren’t MGTOW.

Franky, who died and made you the king? I mean you don’t make the rules here fella, in fact there aren’t any rules as such as we all do our own thing??

What if say you were red pill etc and went down the marriage route, then had an awakening while married and took the blue pill? Just because you are currently married doesn’t mean you can’t be MGTOW.

I’m married and planning an escape (one that doesn’t stop me from seeing my son) and I’m here. I don’t really care if Im classed as MGTOW or not but you can’t say who can and can’t be MGTOW. I’ll say I’m… Boy George if I want to 😀

[bluenose-redpillParticipant 19]

If he was lurking and learning why would his avatar be on the board? Snooping.

 

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Welcome to the site. And best of luck to you in life man.

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[DilbertParticipant 281]

Franky wrote:

Married men cannot be MGTOW.No buts no anything, you’re red pill and you’re welcome on this site but you aren’t MGTOW.

MGTOW is tenets of a lifestyle and thus reflects the life of an individual.

MGTOW men cannot define MGTOW for other men.  No buts no anything,  you’re controlling and you’re welcome on this site but your comment isn’t consistent with MGTOW.

And @qcummer, perhaps you’re a bit quick to pull the tuna trigger.  Nothing in his post seemed that way to me.

It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ogre…. a big welcome to you. Awesome beard, and thanks for laying it down.

Steve wrote:

Married men cannot be MGTOW.No buts no anything, you’re red pill and you’re welcome on this site but you aren’t MGTOW.

Steve wrote:

Franky, who died and made you the king?

Both rigid sides are valid. I like to think of our not-so-humble home on the net as a red pill site first and foremost – with MGTOW as the very specific niche. Occasionally there are dating discussions, and some will even toss around PUA examples. In fact, in the real world, I don’t “MGTOW” my way around ….. and would actually apply a little “amused mastery” before I MGTOW/Red-pill the s~~~ out of anyone. Keeps it light and fun, and keeps my MGTOW gun in the holster. I will only draw when necessary and the wound is usually fatal.

“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”
– Han Solo

Ben Kenobi and Han Solo were both on the same mission with the same passion, but each had a different way of dealing with it, and they had their little conflict about that.

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First thing I thought of was Einstein’s marriage contract. MGTOW all the way, but he was still technically “married”. It’s been said before it’s entirely possible a married man wakes up and realizes the situation he finds himself in and we’re not going be slamming the door in anyone’s face who swallowed his dose of red pills and not give him a glass of water. When a man brings a pro-male / pro-MGTOW appreciation , offer him a seat. His journey wasn’t easy.

Dilbert wrote:

And @qcummer, perhaps you’re a bit quick to pull the tuna trigger.  Nothing in his post seemed that way to me.

Funny, the same analogy popped into my head…. “quick to pull the trigger”…. and that’s why I referenced the blaster. He’s got reason to be. Last night, some f~~~ing asshole c~~~ tried to take down our site and QCummer alerted us that something wasn’t right. His quick trigger finger alerted us, and it is the reason we suffered no loss.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Steve wrote:

I’m married and planning an escape (one that doesn’t stop me from seeing my son) and I’m here. I don’t really care if Im classed as MGTOW or not but you can’t say who can and can’t be MGTOW. I’ll say I’m… Boy George if I want to ?

I wish you luck with the escape.I didn’t think of this rule on a whim tho.This is not “me telling him” this is me repeating what’s been told over and over again.

MGTOW ,as fluid as it is has  2 rules:

1.You must be a man.

2.You must not be married.

This is not aimed at the guy or you and isn’t some passive aggressive bulls~~~ way of saying you can’t come on the site or be a friend of MGTOW.You are most welcome.

This is about the meaning of the word “MGTOW”. Think about if it was as fluid as you propose it is and married men could be MGTOW what exactly would make MGTOW men different from blue pill men?Would this word need to exist in this scenario?Why not just call all men MGTOW then?

I need to say this not as a response to you ,i’m not even talking to you right now, but because it may be forgotten and after time MGTOW will be so murky that it will mean nothing.

Here’s an example of broadening MGTOW to absolutely all men:

“MGTOW men cannot define MGTOW for other men.  No buts no anything.”

After that you see a guy coming to this site who says:

“Hey guys i’m a male feminist, i’m married, my sole purpose is to serve women and i’m MGTOW.”

You tell him “you aren’t MGTOW” and he replies with:

“MGTOW men cannot define MGTOW for other men.  No buts no anything”

And there you have it MGTOW means absolutely nothing now.

Feel free to ignore this comment if you don’t like listening to long drunken rambles.

 

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