It's called child support. I call it paying my ex to babysit my kids.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Nice Guy Eddie,

I feel your pain.

Yeah, before I got married I was working 40 hours/week.
After I married, I suddenly had to work at least 60 hours/week to pay for her extravagant spending habits. She just had to have that new luxury SUV every year (bitch).
I was lucky she ran off with a preacher. Cost me a fortune, but at least I got my life back. I was able to give her a lump sum to buy her off.
If there is an income disparity- if you make more than she- you will probably get screwed.
But at least we’re free again.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Point Of No Return wrote:

Have any of you ever thought of it that way in order to soften the blow?

Clever and I liked it. It’s just a little mental switch.

But I would have a hard time with it because it all depends…… if she ALLOWED herself to get pregnant when she didn’t really want to be.

I don’t believe in “oops”. Not with 12 forms of birth control available to women. 14 if you count swallowing and anal. She allowed herself to get pregnant on purpose.

Unless you didn’t use a condom. That’s an expensive mistake for a guy, but it still doesn’t let her off the hook. If she doesn’t want to get pregnant she can MAKE SURE.

100% choice for women means 100% responsibility.
That’s how that s~~~ works.

VERY slim chance that it was YOUR mistake that YOU should pay for.
Sex doesn’t even happen unless SHE wants it to.

Christ there are men out there making monthly payments to a woman for kids that aren’t even HIS right now. THat’s 100% avoidable by her too.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 43]

I pay $650 a month to a c~~~ who makes more than $15000 a month. lol mandatory 28% gross child support.

I make about 30k a year. I’ll never see my kids again.

[Nice Guy EddieParticipant 527]

Anonymous wrote:

I pay $650 a month to a c~~~ who makes more than $15000 a month. lol mandatory 28% gross child support.

I make about 30k a year. I’ll never see my kids again.

That’s f~~~ing outrageous.

Is the child support amount court-mandated?

Did your c~~~ pull the “ex-husband violent therefore no child access but you still pay me money” stunt?

NGE

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

~BS wrote:

To me it seems like doctors are the ultimate beta provider, the biggest lottery ticket to these women. Best of all, he’s always working so she has plenty of time on her hands to scheme. Doctors need to work crazy hours, poor wife feels distressed that he isn’t paying attention to her, so she lounges around at home, spends his money, and rides chads c~~~ while he’s at work to cope. Then when he’s finally establishing himself and making good money, she divorces him, taking half his assets and the kids, entitling her to alimony and child support.

Thanks jebus for making me too stupid to become a doctor.

Also single mothers do a s~~~ty job at babysitting your rugrats so it is alot more of a you pay this bitch money because we do not need another welfare rat or we will throw your ass back in prison kind of thing over just a babysitting job.

So if i ever have a kid at minimum the kid must be able to see me before the bitch gets one f~~~ing dime out of my ass and if she does not let me see my kid (i make sure it is mine before signing s~~~) then ill flee the state till the rat is grown or the bitch dies.

And if the state tries to find me then ill flee and if the country decides to find me then ill flee further and if i am sent back here once i am out of the pen ill have a last stand against society then i will die.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

I get to spend more time doing what I want and then play with my kid on the 2nd weekend.

I don’t have to worry about the logistics of having a kid at home, including bedtime, meals, hygiene, daycare etc..

Hmm think I’ll go fishing this weekend.

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[Anonymous 25]

I don’t have to pay child support due to rules.

I’ve offered to pay for stuff like swimming lessons but ex won’t let me take him or let me see him that often.

I learned to frame it as me having a free babysitter quite some time ago.

I take a certain amount of money each week and I put it in a trust account for him. He can have it when he is older to buy a house or something. I buy him educational stuff too and spend time teaching him stuff when I have him.

I find ways to put him first even when they try and make it difficult. So the way I see it is that I have a free babysitter and I do as much as I can to put him first and make his needs a priority.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

RedDawn wrote:

I get to spend more time doing what I want and then play with my kid on the 2nd weekend.

I don’t have to worry about the logistics of having a kid at home, including bedtime, meals, hygiene, daycare etc..

Hmm think I’ll go fishing this weekend.

I started thinking this way especially after my ex started contacting me more often asking me if I wanted the kids a little more often. Then I was like, hell I’m not sacrificing any of my free time to oblige her vaginal wishes with some Chad. Stood my ground at the expense of simply keeping my allotted hours with my kids. It’s not bad too, because when they do see me, they go bonkers like, best day ever with Dad.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[rightturnclydeParticipant 705]

Point Of No Return wrote:

any of you ever thought of it that way in order to soften the blow?

Sorry if 12 years and $200K in child support has made me a glass 1/2 empty kind of guy when it comes to this topic, but I see it as the ex also getting paid (tax free) for me to look after, feed, clothe and pay for entertaining my own children 2 days a week and for a month during the summer. There is a very interesting article that breaks down the Canadian government’s reasoning(?) behind how child support amounts are calculated and it basically says a non custodial parent’s time with their children is financially insignificant until they approach 40% custody time. I would conservatively say I have spent an additional “insignificant” $50K on my girls above and beyond child support. For me I consider child support the s~~~iest babysitting deal ever.

[Anonymous 1]

Hitman wrote:

17% of your gross income for 1 kid.
25 % for 2 kids.

Christ, if I was going to have kids I’d have 2, just so I can get the god damn discount.

Actually, I’m good.

[TwistParticipant]

What really spins me is the fact that she uses my money to further distance my children from me. Turning 17? Here, pick out a nice color for your new Jeep. And don’t tell your father, he probably wouldn’t let you have it, but I love you sooooooo much.

Sure, this s~~~ will blow up one day, but for now it just plain sucks.

Put the adolescent nature of a disordered personality in charge of a couple of actual adolescents, and you have the perfect recipe for total dysfunction.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

I only feel I can use this twisted thought to the extent that I don’t feel like I’m being ripped off. If what it really comes to is something similar to paying a 5-star super-nanny, then yeah, I’d have a tough time following my own fabricated thought. The point is to find a way of looking at the whole thing in a way that dis-enables her ideologically as much as possible. However, if she’s getting a set-for-life court ordered pension from the father or so-called father figure of her kids, then screw it this twisted idea ain’t gonna be of no help.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[narwhalParticipant]

I tend to feel it’s the reverse. My ex uses me as a baby sitter. I try not to think about it though. Similar to another recent topic, I focus on what I want. I don’t want to give a s~~~ about how she’s taking advantage of her time away with the kids, I just want to enjoy my time with the kids. Occasionally, my ex will ask me to stay home with a sick kid. I do that when I want to, and don’t when I don’t.

The child support money bothers me a ton. I have no problem financially supporting my kids, but it is insulting to know end that I have no say in how that money is spent.

I don’t have the perfect solution to this, but I’m beginning to believe that their should be no child support at all, and the child should go with the parent who can best support the child. It is not the best solution for the child, but the current system isn’t either. This way, it would be a huge deterrent for women to divorce men and should even make them consider making wiser decisions and seeking their own financial support. I really would go much further then that in many aspects of marriage and children, but I wouldn’t get into it.

edit: I should also mention that my current child support payments has eased the financial threat of college payments. When college starts, the money for child support will roll over into college, and thus I shouldn’t feel much of a financial hit.

Ok. Then do it.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

anonymousyam wrote:

~BS wrote:

To me it seems like doctors are the ultimate beta provider, the biggest lottery ticket to these women. Best of all, he’s always working so she has plenty of time on her hands to scheme. Doctors need to work crazy hours, poor wife feels distressed that he isn’t paying attention to her, so she lounges around at home, spends his money, and rides chads c~~~ while he’s at work to cope. Then when he’s finally establishing himself and making good money, she divorces him, taking half his assets and the kids, entitling her to alimony and child support.

Thanks jebus for making me too stupid to become a doctor.

Also single mothers do a s~~~ty job at babysitting your rugrats so it is alot more of a you pay this bitch money because we do not need another welfare rat or we will throw your ass back in prison kind of thing over just a babysitting job.

So if i ever have a kid at minimum the kid must be able to see me before the bitch gets one f~~~ing dime out of my ass and if she does not let me see my kid (i make sure it is mine before signing s~~~) then ill flee the state till the rat is grown or the bitch dies.

And if the state tries to find me then ill flee and if the country decides to find me then ill flee further and if i am sent back here once i am out of the pen ill have a last stand against society then i will die.

I too, am thankful to God He made me a little too stupid to become a doctor. Plus if im unmotivated, I become extremely lazy, so me being some woman’s workhorse for no reward for 20+ years is a physical impossibility for me. I feel for you guys paying CS.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[NeroParticipant 1466]

This thread put me in a red pill rage. Thank you, gents! I need one of these a day like a f~~~ing vitamin.

[Northern SoulParticipant 186]

It’s all just one massive stitch up. It should be based on a fixed cost according to the child’s age and that is set across the board. The cost of bringing up a child is what it is – the man’s income is irrelevant in determining what this should be. The state however thinks otherwise!

I pay 450 a month for one child which includes a voluntarily over-payment of about 60. Every-time she whines for more money I just remind her of this. It’s a tactic I employed to keep her off my back and was oddly the best move I could have made. Yes it financially hurts but I now don’t have a nagging ex constantly on my case for extras, schooling costs etc. It all rests with her and she won’t push for fear of losing the extra amount. Basically it’s leverage you can use in your favour. That said, I will be glad when the day arrives that I stop paying. Only 16 years to go!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

narwhal wrote:

I don’t have the perfect solution to this, but I’m beginning to believe that their should be no child support at all, and the child should go with the parent who can best support the child. It is not the best solution for the child, but the current system isn’t either. This way, it would be a huge deterrent for women to divorce men and should even make them consider making wiser decisions and seeking their own financial support. I really would go much further then that in many aspects of marriage and children, but I wouldn’t get into it.

I was talking to an uncle over the holidays, and he was saying with the position I’m in, if I’m willing to work OT at my job and if I’m smart with my money, that in less than 10 years I could have a house paid off and enough money to put any future kids through college set aside, and then I could just take it easy and not work any more OT and still have a pretty comfortable life.

I know he meant what he said because he got pretty lucky with my aunt…but in my head I’m thinking “You mean I can get divorce raped in 10 years, lose 50%+ of my assets, lose a portion of my future income, and be flat broke into my 50s to pay for kids I’ll rarely get to see?” We all know the score…I’d end up paying more than enough to actually support the kids while subsidizing her to go hop back on the carousel. No f~~~ing way. I’d rather just take all that money that would be spent on a home for the family and college for the kids, stay single, and pack it into my early retirement fund. Screw being ripe for a divorce rape in 10 years…I’ll be retiring instead.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Northern Soul wrote:

It’s all just one massive stitch up. It should be based on a fixed cost according to the child’s age and that is set across the board. The cost of bringing up a child is what it is – the man’s income is irrelevant in determining what this should be. The state however thinks otherwise!

Exactly. I wouldn’t be so opposed child support if the courts said maybe it takes 1000 a month to raise a kid, both parents are responsible for 50%, but instead its just like how much do you make? Ok, hand over this much to the ex. What the f~~~? Even if I was a doctor and made 300k a year I wouldn’t spoil my kids because I’d want to raise them with some work ethic…but in the event of a divorce I’d have to shell out enough in child support to the ex to comfortably take care of the kids and buy herself a new car every year. Yeah f~~~ that.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Fermat wrote:

I too, am thankful to God He made me a little too stupid to become a doctor. Plus if im unmotivated, I become extremely lazy, so me being some woman’s workhorse for no reward for 20+ years is a physical impossibility for me. I feel for you guys paying CS.

Its not that i am completely lazy or anything like that i just am not smart enough to become a doctor nor do i want to be some bitches slave horse in a relationship where the pigs give her all of the control while i get all of the responsibility’s.

Because all being a doctor really is is just her f~~~ing ticket from the c~~~ carosuel to my 225k earning a year ass. Which in case of a divorce id lose at least half if not more of it especially if she became a single mother who adjusted to her lifestyle.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

I know it’s a f~~~ed up racket. Seen lots of my friends burned by it.
If its any consolation they will turn 18 and you can resume relationships then (if the ex hasn’t totally turned them against you). When my friends were there, it was painful to watch. Now years later things are different and many of the kids hate their mothers for screwing over Dad. It hurts to wait it out like that, feels like an eternity, but it is a ray of hope.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

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