It took me 50 years to figure it out…sad but true!

[NomadgParticipant 249]

Thank you Sir! I actually considered number 3 and figured out that if I can’t get this right in two, why would 3 be any different? It won’t.

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[NomadgParticipant 249]

Thanks! They all have similar plot lines because in reality when dealing with women they are all the same plot lines. Rich, poor, smart, educated, to quote donald trump “i love the poorly educated”, etc…We all suffer the same fate if you do not stay alpha or MGTOW.

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[NomadgParticipant 249]

Thank you Sir! I too am at peace, it just took me a long time to find it.

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[NomadgParticipant 249]

I take full responsibility for my actions. Sympathy or empathy not needed. I violated my inner instinct and because of that I only have myself to blame.

That is my favorite story!! From 50 through lets hope 90 that will be my story and as for the skunk, I too am the skunk. My friends wives will not allow them to travel with me anymore.

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

The only thing that matters, is that you Woke Up!

Men wake up at different times, I woke up around 29 or 30 years old.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Excellent intro Nomadg.

Nomadg wrote:

A never ending life cycle of Alpha to Beta with every serious woman I have ever been with. I hate to admit that, but it’s true. ……..I knew deep down that every time I let a woman take me into her frame I was screwed and constantly on the defense.

Goddam I can relate to that. I remember how I was with girls when I was 16 or 17. Already naturally “alpha” in attitude and behavior, and the way I would interact with them was NATURAL…. but if I had a girlfriend, I would slip into this “beta” coma from hell eventually and before I knew it, I was in her frame and she was writing the script.

I could also feel it was the wrong thing to do at the time.
But I went with it anyway, just to make her “happy”.

I don’t really the “alpha / beta” terms other than to illustrate certain behaviors, but I clearly understand exactly what you meant.

“I hate that old shirt”

“You liked it when you met me.”

“Yeah but I hate it now”

“OK, I’ll get rid of it, babe.”

“You’ve changed. I need someone else.”

That’s happened more than once. And it will never happen again.

I just finally have come to terms with what instinctively I always knew. I will never surrender again. Life is only on my terms. If I am lucky I will have another thirty or forty years to polish my soul. If you are a young man and made it this far in my insane diatribe, PLEASE do what most can’t, and that is learn from others mistakes. If you are an old bastard like me, it is never to late to be what you might have been…

Epic bottom line. A big welcome to you, brother.
We don’t each other from Adam, but already kindred spirits.

Thanks again for writing this out.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Keymaster wrote:

I had a girlfriend, I would slip into this “beta” coma from hell eventually and before I knew it, I was in her frame and she was writing the script.

You can hardly be blamed for that. At twenty-two years old, my guard is always up against the opposite sex, but I’m still looking for one with whom I can let my guard down. You can’t truly love anyone if you’re always on the defensive against her. I know of no one, not even the most moonstruck rhapsodist (“beta,” if you will), who would not say that giving your love to someone does not involve making yourself vulnerable. The person worth loving will make it worth your while.

Despite the atrocious ways women have treated me, I’m still looking for one with whom I don’t have to “hold frame” anymore. Having to consciously hold frame around everyone and everything is not a way to live, MGTOW lifestyle or no.

Perhaps, say you to me, that I don’t have enough life experience to see that my views are nothing but cloying fantasies. Perhaps, say I to you, you may be right.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Despite the atrocious ways women have treated me, I’m still looking for one with whom I don’t have to “hold frame” anymore. Having to consciously hold frame around everyone and everything is not a way to live,

This is ticket.

The only relationship worth having is a “partnership”. If a man needs to “game” his girlfriend (or wife) he will have to constantly be operating on a higher plane than she. He “bends” his responses , edits his thoughts, applies “amused mastery” when she creates drama, deflects her s~~~ tests, constantly reevaluates what she means vs. what she says, compares what she SAYS she wants to what she ACTUALLY wants….

Even when it “works” to keep her around and interested…..
This is how he virtually guarantees that he will always be “alone”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[NomadgParticipant 249]

Thanks Keymaster! I would agree that the whole Alpha/Beta thing is overused. There are different types of men, we all know who they are and how they behave without ever assigning a name to it. This is a great site. My hat is off to you and your team for the important work done here. I have already passed it on to several of my friends, who of course at my age are still struggling to either find themselves or find their freedom lost many years ago.

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[NomadgParticipant 249]

What you say is all true and what man could or would not want that in life? I wish I could tell you that it exists and I am sure on rare occasion it does. The problem lies with that is how it begins, but unfortunately not how it ends. I have been in several relationships over the years. Any time I let my guard completely down is when the trouble began. Women sense this and whether on a conscious level or not they will eventually use it against you. They had to evolve over thousands of years so that they and their offspring could survive. Love is great and being vulnerable is endearing, but survival of the fittest is stronger. They always revert to an unconscious survival mindset and if they perceive you as weak they will move on.

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[SlingshotParticipant 171]

Nomadg wrote:

Thanks! I read Atlas Shrugged six years ago and it changed my life. Any and every MGTOW should read it. It’s a big bastard, but worth the time.

Welcome to the best place to be. You can get Atlas Shrugged on Audiobooks – 65 hours of thought provoking and life changing material. I agree excellent stuff.

I don’t think we can be blamed for being duped when we are young. At 50 we have empiricle evidence about how s~~~ life is in the FemDome and either learn the truth and do something about it (MGTOW) or bury our heads.

Thank you for your post and looking forward to seeing your contributions

[NomadgParticipant 249]

I often wonder what it might have been like had I followed my instinct with women and went my own way 20 years ago? I think wisdom comes from failure and time. I don’t regret a lot of the things that I did, especially my children. I feel for these young guys who would like to have kids or the life experiences they present, but will likely never find the unicorn needed to produce such children. Even if they find “the one” she will in time become just like the rest. The man is left to suffer the same mistakes over and over again until he changes who he is internally. I look at my friends age 30-70 and most of them still do not get it. I save the ones I can and part of that process is leading them here.

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Nomadg wrote:

I often wonder what it might have been like had I followed my instinct with women and went my own way 20 years ago? I think wisdom comes from failure and time. I don’t regret a lot of the things that I did, especially my children. I feel for these young guys who would like to have kids or the life experiences they present, but will likely never find the unicorn needed to produce such children.

My desire to have children would depend on the woman and kind of person she is.
The question is not “do I want children” but rather “do I want children with her“.

Women tell themselves “i want kids”, and truly don’t seem to give a s~~~ who the father/husband is. That’s one of the most off-putting realities that I learned over time.

I really wanna get married
I really want kids
My wedding will be like….
ME ME ME ME ME ME….

… and the man is a non-consideration. When I realized it could be me, or the next guy, or anyone else, It creeped me out. I was on the lookout for someone to perhaps marry and start a family with, but all the women would marry any number of their boyfriends, and get pregnant on a dice roll. I’m just glad I didn’t notice this AFTER the fact.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

The question is not “do I want children” but rather “do I want children with her“.

Women tell themselves “i want kids”, and truly don’t seem to give a s~~~ who the father/husband is. That’s one of the most off-putting realities that I learned over time.

I really wanna get married
I really want kids
My wedding will be like….
ME ME ME ME ME ME….

… and the man is a non-consideration.

That is the truth and should be required reading for any man considering marriage.

Excellent explanation Keymaster. Like Tower’s discussion of playing around with women is like playing with “A bag of Hand Grenades” and “Filthy mules pretending to be Unicorns,” you have elicited an important reality for men.

Thanks Nomagd and to the other MGTOW’s participating in this post.

I am using a modified version of Key master’s words to warn other men about women’s narcissism in general:

Women tell themselves “I want ……” And they truly don’t seem to give a s~~~ what man helps them get it. That’s one of the most off-putting realities for most men to comprehend at any time.

The words and emotions coming from women too often convince men that they have a “Unicorn” and NAWALT.

Most Men are stubborn and will adhere to the illusion of finding the “One,” even when their “Unicorn” is doing the following:

I really wanna get married
I really want …
My wedding will be like….
ME ME ME ME ME ME….

For a women, their “man” is really a non-consideration.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[NomadgParticipant 249]

Both of you Gentlemen nailed it. It is all in fact just an illusion. Most men want to believe “the one” is out there and amazingly they found her. Sorry, it’s all smoke and mirrors. When that clock ticks, it ticks loudly. They do not give a s~~~ about who or what you are, just that you will give them a baby. I have seen that time and time again. I once told a girl I was dating I had had a vasectomy. The lifeblood drained from her face and she looked like she had seen a ghost. I knew right then and there this woman was in full baby trap mode, there is no mistaking it. Men are blind to it because they are so wrapped up in the tail. It’s easy because they know that if you are not what they want, they trade you in for some other guy and you will still be ordered to pay. It is always a win/win for them. They get the baby they wanted and you pay them to raise said baby even if you did not want a baby. I can’t wait to see how the male pill throws their game completely off kilter. Now that is going to be fun to watch!!

It's never to late to be what you might have been...

[VerityPhantomSpectator 263]

I feel for you brother, I wish what you said could surprise me in any way, shape, or form. But honestly, it’s what I expect from a western female in todays modern age. I’m glad you’ve awakened from it all and I look forward to seeing more of your stories in the future.

[CrMo43Participant 30]

Welcome, brother!

The light may be slow or quick in coming, but the result is the same: enlightenment.

Keep the faith and lean on your friends.

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