Is the expectation of monogamy by a frigid wife/girlfriend a form of abuse?

[SoldanoParticipant 108]

The Catholic church recognises marriage without sex as not valid.

In this case it’s about fertility though. Which makes sens to me, why in hell would anyone want to get married and sacrifice himself if not for his children ?

Now that wifes have been brainwashed to believe that mariage is a one way street and many kids disresoect us, really it’s pointless in western countries.

[NekrophyteParticipant 22]

Abuse exists in the mind of the victim of submissive nature, who lets the event go down as fate decides, however horrible it may be.

Is the expectation of showing up on time at your workplace by your boss who doesn’t pay you a form of abuse? – No, if you don’t mind one or both of said conditions, or you Go Your Own Way to resolve the situation.

Is the expectation of having sex with a stranger under the threat of suffering physical harm a form of abuse? – No, if you don’t mind one or both of said outcomes, or you Go Your Own Way to resolve the situation.

Is the expectation of monogamy by a frigid wife/girlfriend a form of abuse? – No, if you don’t mind one or both of said conditions, or you Go Your Own Way to resolve the situation…

…and morally dominate her into sexual submission by the sacrifice you make for having to stay with Mrs. “damaged goods”. She starts bitching? Alright, then the deal’s off and she can go buy a Golden Retriever while you get a vocally orgasming “kitty-cat” to bring home and cuck her with.

And this might even work, because women are bonding types, and they crave security. Seeing their own s~~~-test tactics backfire on them will make them panic, and either turn them irrationally cra’y and give you a head start in court, or drive them back in their shell and you can prove them you can be kind and caring as well, so long as they deserve it.

[HitmanParticipant]

i will stick my dick wherever and with whomever i like,tally my vote, yes, its abuse.btw..key master..you sum it up with a quickness.outstanding!

[GrumpyParticipant]

Yes, it is Abuse.

If I am responsible to provide everything for the “household”. She is responsible to provide motivation for me to provide everything else.

Put out or get out.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[SargeslideParticipant 82]

Anything used against you is a weapon of abuse.  YES

[TheGouliatParticipant 20]

peterfa wrote:

No, but it’s controlling. There are other ways to satisfy a man. If you cannot live up to your wedding vows and satisfy your partner, then you should get a divorce.

 

The actual Question should be: Is she capable of fulfilling your needs? If not, leave. If you do, abuse ends.

If she is capable, demand it. she gives it, ok. if not, leave. in any way, no chance for abuse.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

It is manipulation.  Manipulation is one sidestep from abuse. The truth lies somewhere in between.

Sovereignty above all else.

[experiencedParticipant]

Is a wife putting on 50lbs abuse?
Somehow she always kept it off before marriage.
What changed?
What actually didn’t change?

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3293]

It is abuse and manipulation, but the main reason they do it is because they really cannot face the thought of having sex with you anymore. When a woman is saying she isn’t interested in sex anymore, what she is really saying is that she isn’t interested in having sex with YOU anymore.

Once she has her Facebook affair and gets onto POF, trust me she will be dreaming of getting f~~~ed hard by guys 10 to 15 years younger than her. All those things she didn’t want to do because they were “dirty”? She will be doing them to some Alpha s~~~head she only met 2 hours previously.

This is the end game of marriage once she has had the children. First it will be reward sex when you have bought her something expensive, it’s your birthday or she simply can’t be bothered with your whining and moaning anymore. Then you will realise it has been 6 months since you last had sex and it is always the wrong time of the month, or she is tired or stressed or not feeling very well or is sick of you pawing her.

Trust me she is watching the next door neighbours 20 year old son mowing the lawn with his top off and fantasizing about getting f~~~ed hard by him.

She will either stay with you and expect you to be monogamous or you will get the “I am not happy” speech and she will be off on the c~~~ carousel before you know it.

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[narwhalParticipant]

I can’t call it abuse, it’s something different. I tend to think of abuse as physical, or at least more direct.

When a wife has lost interest in sex with her husband, it’s something different and should seriously be addressed, that’s what you gave your word to do. Giving your husband emotionless BJs and just laying there for sex doesn’t cut it, and won’t make her more interested. To me, that’s something way more complicated then simply calling it abuse.

Just as an example, if a wife gets fat, she may lose self esteem and not feel comfortable with sex as much. At the same time, husband becomes less attracted to her and will pursue her less. The problem perpetuates with time as they have developed a history. Even after she loses the weight and regains her confidence, it’s still an issue. She remembers him as not pursing her in whale mode, and thus the neighbor’s advances have more appeal since she has no bad history with him. The husband will still remember how she let herself go and was unconcerned about her needs and will not feel like she lost the weight for him…pursuing her doesn’t get the pay off, so he stops.

S~~~ happened with me. My ex blew up right after marriage. Yes, she was pregnant, but the baby didn’t weigh 50 lbs. When she lost the weight she yelled at me “I lost 50 lbs for you and you didn’t even notice!”…for me? If that was for me, you never would have gained the weight in the first place.

Ok. Then do it.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

No. You can’t abuse someone with your expectations. If a woman claimed abuse because we had expectations of her (like “clean the house / make me a sammich”) would we do anything other than laugh?

The guy should still walk away, of course. “I’ll give you nothing, but you better be happy with it!” She can expect what she likes, but if she puts nothing on the table, then she can experience the consequences.

[the roadParticipant 3125]

If she is purposefully withholding sex in order to control your behavior then yes it is abuse. If a man were to withhold something from his wife then then he would be lambasted as abusive. It is no different when women do it then.

#MANOUT

[Anonymous 11]

I’m watching this happen with some friends of mine.

She had surgery 5 years ago which has rendered sex very painful to her. She expects her man to be celibate and loyal. He’s a Chad whose serious alcohol addiction is killing him. He’s such a drunk that his long term friends are beginning to avoid him.

I’m not going to call it blatant abuse, but her expectations of him are just not realistic.

I see four options in these cases:

1)Divorce – Then she finds some dude with ED.
2)Alternative sexual practices with her- Blowjobs etc…
3)Roam at will, and she accepts it.
4)Fleshlight.

No, she want him to be a faithful monk. He’s not monk material. All the strange pussy he’s getting is beginning to become a tsunami of trouble for him too.

I advised him to get a slut phone about 8 months ago. He refused, and it just blew up as she found the messages from one of his sluts. I’m saddened to learn some of them involved mention of cocaine use.

S~~~ like this makes me glad I never married.

What would a woman do if her man developed ED? She’d drop him like a hot rock with no remorse.

[GrumpyParticipant]

I would add, that sex on a monogamous/ exclusive premise is a reasonable and understood/accepted expectation in marriage. Due to not being “written” in, and discussed openly and honestly before the contract is… err vows are spoken and witnessed. People will abuse this “understanding”.
People will generally take advantage of any loop hole they can to further their own ends/needs, unless the rules/agreements are explicitly laid out.

Marriage (or what ever you want to call it) needs to be removed from “Family Court” arena and placed into the domain of Business Law, where it belongs, and needs to be recognized WORLD WIDE. Accordingly Divorce would also move to the Business Law realm as well. Simply because it is a Business Contract.
Whether it is for reproductive exclusivity, sexual exclusivity, mutual financial benefit, or what ever level of “mutual” interdependence. Expectations, obligations, and responsibilities need to be explicitly stated, and both parties MUST abide by it. Failure to do so is a breach of contract, and guess what. Now there is an appropriate legal recourse available.
One could add what ever stipulations they desired in the contract, once agreed upon and signed. Changes MUST be negotiated and a new contract set in place. The duress and “I didn’t know what it meant” rebuttal becomes invalid, as BOTH parties know exactly what they wanted and negotiated for prior to signing the contract. This also alleviates the “he” said “she” said crap.

Withholding of sexual obligations/responsibilities, with the expectation or demand that your “partner” remain celibate, and faithful to you is a form of abuse as it is an unreasonable expectation.

What would your “Marriage Contract” stipulate?

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Dunn GoofdParticipant 119]

It could be a no. The situation is not in her control, and the man agrees to it (use a fleshlight maybe?) it may not be defined as abuse, which is all unlikely.

If we replace the gender, I mean if the man have erection issues and the woman wants to get it somewhere else and the man does not allow it, would it still be abuse?

The answer for me lies in the consent, and agreement between the couple. If one of the couple cannot satisfy the sexual needs of the other and the other wants to get it somewhere else, they should just break up, and no sides should suffer any financial losses due to this. This is because the initial agreement (marriage bond) was formed when the couple was able to sexually satisfy each other but the situation has changed, thus the agreement should end by itself. Keeping the agreement is abuse for both sides in two cases. Being held accountable for simply satisfying natural needs is abuse, and being in a relationship where your partner gets sexual satisfaction from other people without your consent is also abuse. Remember, this is a two sided issue where men can be unable to satisfy their wives.

Alternatively one side can agree that the other can have sex with other people to continue the marriage, or the one needing sex could just give up sex to settle the situation. Most of the time they settle due to the financial burden a divorce can cause, not because they are OK with the settlement. As I mentioned before, these cases should be solved without any financial burden on the couple, to avoid anyone getting abused, mostly psychologically.

This case very beautifully supports how MGTOW is the only logical lifestyle choice, and how marriages are nonsense agreements that should not even exist, and it provides hints about how most of the marriages in modern world just go down the s~~~ter in the first 2 3 years.

[JosephParticipant 125]

YES.

Except for very rare, fully medically documented examples, there is no such thing as being frigid, as there is no such thing as being impotent. In the case of men, bring on the natural alternative to Viagra: A 20yo, 110lbs hot chick. In the case of women, bring money.

I understand that at the beginning of the relationship they did have sex, and now she conveniently “becomes” frigid. To me, she changes the conditions of the relationship, and thus a new deal must be negotiated.

Imagine that I supply you with cars and you agree to buy 50 of them every month to sell them. As long as I keep my end of the deal you keep yours. If one of us does not keep their end, the deal must change. If you tell me that you will only accept 20 cars per month, my price will go up. If I tell you that I can only supply you with 20 cars, maybe you will cancel our exclusivity agreement and sell cars from other brands.

Here is the same, and I have done this myself. One time I had this girlfriend for 9 months and she wanted marriage, which I didn’t. Then she told me that “from today we will not have sex until we are married” to which I replied “no problem, today YOU will not have sex until we get married, an I will not have sex…WITH YOU…until we get married. I will have sex, no doubt, just not with you because I am not in the raping business”. Needless to say, two things happened:
1. We had sex that very night.
2. I threw her out within the next three months.

Just tell her clearly that this arrangement does not work for you, and that here are the options:
A) End of the relationship
B) She puts out
C) She agrees for you to f~~~ someone else

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Monogamy is the reason why you don’t get married in the first place. And there’s a reason why a girlfriend is just a friend, and not a wife, and friends can’t expect monogamy.

If she wants monogamy she can go find some stupid chump to marry her.

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