Is Noah's Ark a true story???

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22531]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Hermit wrote:

I hesitate to use the word “faith”

I used to absolutely Loath the word. I even coined the expression that Faith is a celebration of fear. LOL. No one repeats it because they dont understand anyway…
Im glad to say today, that I have Faith of a kind. Gone are the resentments and petty feuding with Xtians. To be honest, Im more “faithful” and more Xtian that many Chirstians themselves. I say the “our father” and multiple other prayers many times a week and attend a pretty TRADCONesque Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting.
I grew the fvck up and stopped TROLLING Xtians mostly. Which is a good thing because you will never rid the world of Faith in an anthropomorphic creator diety, its too ingrained in our Evo-Psych. Its subconscious at this point.
Besides, the Deity they claim transcends Spacetime, is so nebulous and indefinable that no two people can agree on what “God” really is. “He” is so formless and immeasurable, and so characterized by human tropes, omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience that he is indistinguishable from PURE energy or PURE truth or PURE love … At some point you have to look at the guy espousing this crap in front of you and just forgive him and love him as another human being unless he is sharpening a sword or about to infibulate an infant… then we should kill him. LOL
As Sam Harris asked, How many Christians really believe this stuff in the privacy of their own mind? How many Muslims do? The answer is A LOT! We take them at their word what they believe because some of them are prepared to die for it.
Still, many others know theres a disconnect with reality but they tow the line, the keep the status quo because they believe the Dogma is a positive force for virtuous living. To a degree they are right. I’d rather live next door to some drunks who attend Mass on Sunday, than to a commune of Blue Haired single moms.
Choose the Lesser of two Weevils!
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You have hit on a critical point here most people gloss over and do not consider with the Apostles, for example, the ones who were with Jesus and knew Him, were with Him in His ministry and saw things they wrote down, and didn’t write down.

Men don’t die for lies they know are lies. If Jesus wasn’t God, and didn’t come back to life and wasn’t seen by the apostles and over 500 other people as stated in the bible those 50 days after resurrection, these men sure did a big turnaround from thinking it was all over, to being the most pronounced proclaimers of Jesus as God. Almost all of them died for their faith. Charlatans do not die for lies. Many people will die for a massive truth, however – something bigger than themselves they believe in.

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[EGParticipant 1854]

One theory says that the Ice Age was ended by a meteor that struck North America around 12,600 years ago. Joe Rogan interviewed a guy who hypothesizes that the object hit the ice cap covering the continent and flash-melted it, causing a huge deluge that raised the global ocean level almost instantly. It’s an interesting theory to consider with the Noah’s Ark story as a backdrop.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Men don’t die for lies they know are lies. If Jesus wasn’t God, and didn’t come back to life and wasn’t seen by the apostles and over 500 other people as stated in the bible those 50 days after resurrection, these men sure did a big turnaround from thinking it was all over, to being the most pronounced proclaimers of Jesus as God. Almost all of them died for their faith. Charlatans do not die for lies.

It has been said that using what it says in the bible to validate or corroborate what it says in bible might not necessarily be the strongest argument…

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Alright, I held back long enough…..

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[Joey AlfioParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

Yeah, Ken Ham pushes that too. It’s very unsettling (for me) that there are people who actually believe it…

The wack job also says the universe 6,000 years old…

sidecar wrote:

Don’t sell Men short like that. Even with primitive tools Men managed to clusterfu​ck giant tortoises, ground sloths, sabertooth cats, giant short face bears, giant cave bears with regular faces, columbia mammoths, steppe mammoths, woolly mammoths, woolly rhinos, elephant birds, cave lions, diprotodonts (giant wombats), giant kangaroos, giant monitor lizards, and a fu​ckload other badass animals, often with “giant”, “woolly”, or “cave” in their names.

Note that I said Men. Women, without Men to fu​ck predators up for them, are essentially cat food the moment they wander away from the protection of the huts.

True. But aside from the big cats + bears mankind did not have to worry much in terms of competing for a food source or being prey themselves since a lot of the animals you listed were also herbivores and generally avoided humans by migrating elsewhere which human migration patterns matches well with. From archaeological evidence we were definitely in conflict with dire wolves, saber tooth cats, etc every time we went hunting but Jurassic predators were a different kind of breed. We’re talking about predators here who unleashed 7800 pounds of force just from a mere bite, had scales that could deflect our s~~~ty spears/arrows and overall were way bigger in size and agility than any of the species you listed. We would have been on their list and I’m not just talking about the T-Rex here but all the other 79 carnivorous Dino’s who would have continually hunted us down to the point of extinction.

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[Gravel PitParticipant]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Almost all of them died for their faith. Charlatans do not die for lies.

I agree that something very strange occured. We will never know, and that is great because Mystery is what gives it the unquenchable lure. Not knowing. They even came up with a name for it, Faith. Its philosophical dope. One hit of this stuff, youll be up for 40 days and nights. lol

[AutoliteParticipant]

My last post seems to have been been deleted but it contained a serious question so I’m asking again.

There is no logical, rational or scientifically valid explanation for the Noah’s Ark story. For it to have actually happened literally, it would have had to occur ‘magically’. Can we all agree on this point?

If the Christian Theists concede this, it will help me to understand how some people can still buy into it…

[Gravel PitParticipant]

But for real. The “not knowing.” The whole shrouded mystery angle. Its irresistable to the human psyche. We become obsessed. We start imagining and play the tape over and over in our heads.

Faith, when properly understood, is not a virtue. Believing something based on zero evidence is absurd and suicidal. Yet because of our obsessions with mystery, origins, emotion and beauty. It takes a life of its own and becomes a Celebratory act! We relish Faith. Yet its a paradox.

Anthropomorphic Mirrors. We dont want a god, we just want mirrors.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Awakened wrote:

Alright, I held back long enough…..
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Carlin makes a very valid and legitimate point that being most Atheists came out of Theism. We (Atheists) were once believers who sincerely tried to understand and accept our religion. But intellectual honesty and rationality just wouldn’t allow us to continue to indefinitely buy into all of the bullshhit.

I think Theists tend to forget or simply ignore this…

[LastManStandingParticipant 638]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Autolite wrote:

what’s stopping them from taking that one last little baby step and just acknowledging that it’s all total nonsense???

Because of the anthropomorphic nature of their faith. Its a catch 22. We lens everything through human subjectivity. The human benchmark contaminates all our thinking. True objectivity is rare.
“He” “creates” “judges” “saves” “punishes” and “loves.” Its inconceivable to them that something came from nothing. But that is precisely what happened, which is proven with facts. But facts dont matter to the subjective. Its all subconscious fear and vanity to believe you can survive death.
Only what can happen, does happen. And it happened. It never needed metaphysical help because metaphysics is imaginary.
Id trade an eternity in heaven, to spend one day on Earth a few million years from now, to see the descendants of homo Sapien (which really wasnt that Sapient at all lol). We are very much still like homo Ergaster hammering rocks and throwing spears at rabbits. But to see where it all ends up would be quite a treat. I think THEY will be the ones to build the Gen Ships. Our species wasted too much time and fossil fuels lilygagging around and will probably get zonked back unto the stoneage by a two mile wide asteroid.

LOL do you take hardcore drugs?

[MonkParticipant 16995]

Autolite wrote:

I am very curious how Theists think and why they believe in the things that they do. How can they believe in some things that their own common sense tells them cannot be true or possible yet at the very same time reject other religious beliefs precisely because they are in fact illogical and impossible? There has just got to be some very serious and intense mental gymnastics involved!

Politics is exactly the same. People – like the Queen in ‘Alice through the looking glass’ – can believe ‘six impossible things before breakfast’.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Monk wrote:

Politics is exactly the same. People – like the Queen in ‘Alice through the looking glass’ – can believe ‘six impossible things before breakfast’.

In order to maintain and sustain religious belief, one must be able to suspend their own common sense, rationality, logic and their understanding of physical laws. Basically a believer must reject and refuse to acknowledge reality. The Theist evidently can do this whereas the Atheist is incapable of doing so. It really just boils down to the simple fact the minds of the Theist and the Atheist work differently.

Why that is is the puzzle that I’m trying to solve…

[MonkParticipant 16995]

Autolite wrote:

… whereas the Atheist is incapable of doing so. It really just boils down to the simple fact the minds of the Theist and the Atheist work differently

‘Incapable’ is a very sweeping statement. In my experience, atheists tends to be every bit as unreasonable and just as fanatical as any number of religious nuts.

Atheism doesn’t exist as an independent position, whereas theism does. As I said earlier, atheism is fundamentally an ‘anticause’. If it wasn’t, then they wouldn’t care what theists think.

Which – ironically – is no surprise, as militant atheism actually fulfils the sociological definition of a religion – as does Communism. (The same way that ‘anticult’ movements are actually cults themselves).

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

The flood story is not only a christian bible story but one held in many cultures around the world. American indians had one long before any one from the Euro shores showed up.
There is evidence for a great flood. Also possible way of the population knowing and getting ready. Here is where you have to look at the existing clues left around the world.
Around the world are items like these in Puma Punku.

Once this world had an very advanced civilization. Where it is possible that most if not all the early bible stories came from. Put two of them together. The garden of eden and Methuselah. So you have an advanced society that can live a long long time. Lets say also you mature and 50 and can only have a child once every 5 years. Soon you have an over population problem. What would you call an almost perfect place to live and being brought to earth. Yes rich in resources but starting over.

There are a lot of references in the first written language, cuneiform. What is also interesting is that no written text on these monoliths, not one mark that indicates any kind of text.
So is it possible? The great flood yes. Noah and an boat, yes. All the animals not so sure.

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[AutoliteParticipant]

Monk wrote:

‘Incapable’ is a very sweeping statement. In my experience, atheists tends to be every bit as unreasonable and just as fanatical as any number of religious nuts.

Perhaps I was describing myself. I feel that I’m ‘incapable’ of ignoring or dismissing reality. I just can’t pretend to not know when something is bullshhit…

[AutoliteParticipant]

743 roadmaster wrote:

So is it possible? The great flood yes. Noah and an boat, yes. All the animals not so sure.

Nobody is disputing that there has been massive flooding throughout the ages. It’s the literal Noah’s Ark global flood story that doesn’t hold any water.

If some Christian Theists continue to insist that it actually happened, then they must stop trying to convince others that it happened within the bounds of natural laws. They must stop trying to use science to validate the story.

Noah’s Ark could only have happened by ‘magic’. They must concede this if they still want to claim that it really happened…

(Reference the Ark itself, they know that the biggest wooden boat ever built could not easily cope with the seas that the Ark itself would have been subjected to. And this was a boat with a hull shorter than the Ark which was designed and constructed by contemporary professional engineers and builders).

Noah’s Ark or the Wyoming?

[Gravel PitParticipant]

743 roadmaster wrote:

Around the world are items like these in Puma Punku.

PUMA PUNKU …. lol. Thats the one! the Go To for all radical theories. If it wasnt for Puma Punku, the Ancient ALiens show would have never been funded for season 2 LOL.

Im waiting for some Boomer contractor on his deathbed to admit Puma Punku was a hoax that they all thought up on a boring job site. They rented some tractors and went up there with a cooler of beer and some diamond saw blades one Labor Day weekend in the early 80s. LOL. The result is 30 years of loony toon theorists.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

743 roadmaster wrote:

Around the world are items like these in Puma Punku.

PUMA PUNKU …. lol. Thats the one! the Go To for all radical theories. If it wasnt for Puma Punku, the Ancient ALiens show would have never been funded for season 2 LOL.
Im waiting for some Boomer contractor on his deathbed to admit Puma Punku was a hoax that they all thought up on a boring job site. They rented some tractors and went up there with a cooler of beer and some diamond saw blades one Labor Day weekend in the early 80s. LOL. The result is 30 years of loony toon theorists.

PP is only one site, just one I happened to bring up. These sites are all over the place, many old societies are built on top of much older construction. What makes the “new world” sites so much more interesting is when the Spanish started to invade it was iron/industrial age vs stone age. No bronze, no copper, just wood and stone tools not even the wheel. Yet in central and south America there are all these sites.
Oh and it would take more then a diamond tip saw blade to carve the stone in the pic, and even with today’s tech longer then a weekend. Unless he moved a whole factory up there for the weekend and 1000’s of workers.

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[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

743 roadmaster wrote:

So is it possible? The great flood yes. Noah and an boat, yes. All the animals not so sure.

Nobody is disputing that there has been massive flooding throughout the ages. It’s the literal Noah’s Ark global flood story that doesn’t hold any water.
If some Christian Theists continue to insist that it actually happened, then they must stop trying to convince others that it happened within the bounds of natural laws. They must stop trying to use science to validate the story.
Noah’s Ark could only have happened by ‘magic’. They must concede this if they still want to claim that it really happened…
(Reference the Ark itself, they know that the biggest wooden boat ever built could not easily cope with the seas that the Ark itself would have been subjected to. And this was a boat with a hull shorter than the Ark which was designed and constructed by contemporary professional engineers and builders).

Noah’s Ark or the Wyoming?

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The part that dose not hold water is the rain for a month and a half. The boat, man, animals is possible. Great flood from a broken ice dam is fact. Did the whole story for sure 100% happen? The Bible is more or less a history book. Just recent they came across the area where the philistine lived. Only time will tell if they find the fabled boat.

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[AutoliteParticipant]

743 roadmaster wrote:

The boat, man, animals is possible.

I have yet to hear any rational or logical argument or scientifically valid explanation that supports “the boat, the man, (or the) animals” being possible. If you have one can you post it???

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