Is MGTOW going its own way from the rest of the manosphere?

[Anonymous 42]

The rest of the Manisphere is kin to a bowel movement by a MGHOW, I don’t really give a f~~~s sake for anyone trying to change the conditions for men or myself in particular! I’ll NEVER to go back to the slaughterhouse because they cleaned up a little blood…..
I wouldn’t give up my freedom for a real live unicorn! It doesn’t matter anyway, their horns are contaminated from 50 years of cuncesium 137 fallout from Gynocentralias feminist meltdown! The unicorn’s horn breaks off because it’s weak…

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

I think there was a user here by the name of Edog that exemplifies this after arguing with all of us here.

[NioZenParticipant 856]

It’s difficult or near impossible for those indoctrinated into a collectivist society to think outside of collectivist terms. MGTOW is an action, a going, a doing, not a f~~~ing knitting club. It is a call to the sovereign self – something collectivists can’t even conceptualize as being of any value. To look beyond an established collectivist paradigm requires curiosity, introspection, self-honesty, imagination, learning, rationality, emotional control and a sense of personal responsibility. Need I say more?

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Keymaster wrote:

Are people still talking like MGTOW is a “movement” that’s going somewhere?

I recall someone used the world “trend” to describe an aspect of MGTOW. There is a trend of men saying no to marriage and going their own way. People associate a trend with a movement. Movements normally have leaders and structure. This isn’t in MGTOW. So, there is a grasping at anything to try to understand it.

What I think may be missed in regards to a bigger picture, is what is going on with things that function over the Internet. Gamergate, Anonymous, Occupy (not Occupy Wall Street) to some extent, and even MGTOW, are a bunch of people independently deciding to do things under a label, and have some commonality they arrive at independently, and with different flavors. Normal people think in terms of 20th century form, and it doesn’t fit. MGTOW is another one of these, but doesn’t even have any ends or goals to change the world. It is just each man for himself, trying to connect with other men in his same boat, to get better in life, all realizing marriage doesn’t work for him. From this, comes a large number of different ways to react and respond.

And I see this is why MGTOW is going to drift off away from the manosphere, because the rest of the manosphere, needs to have collective interests they can lead, make money off of, or join in some protest, acting as manpower. And MGTOW doesn’t do that at all. What I see with MGTOW is that it will get more and more of its own terminology, and concepts, and not bother to connect with any other men’s group. What it forms as common knowledge will only work with men in that. A starting point was pushing back the likes of Paul Elam and saying that getting married can’t be part of it at all. Individuals like Paul Elam so need to have some group of men to lead, to he gets his life meaning. He needs to be a Lorax and speak out, to be able to have a reason for existing in life. And MGTOW? It has Sandman at least to draw fire, and distract the critics :-P.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 9]

I read an article on returnofkings which likened MGTOW to the feminist agenda.

You may find a few interesting articles on there, but I’ve come across so many articles that were anti-MGTOW, where I thought it was to champion the MGTOW ilk.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

I read an article on returnofkings which likened MGTOW to the feminist agenda.
You may find a few interesting articles on there, but I’ve come across so many articles that were anti-MGTOW, where I thought it was to champion the MGTOW ilk.

Return of Kings has ties to Roosh V, and is PUA in nature. Because MGTOW don’t need PUA material, Roosh V doesn’t have a market, so he is opposed to it. Even he got tired of PUA in his life (call it a mid-life crisis) so he decided to try to fuse Tradcon with MRA and PUA (game part) into something called “neo-masculity” so he can then sell his seminar and have lecture gigs. It is the lack of wanting to learn game by MGTOW that makes it annoying for Roosh V. Paul Elam has similar reasons for concern, because MGTOW won’t join his crusaders. I know I have chatted a bit on YouTube with someone who calls himself anti-MGTOW. He is in the MRM movement, and doesn’t like MGTOW at all.

All this leads to my original post and the question about what is going on. MGTOW, to me, IS going its own way. It can be seen as part of the manosphere, but will end up being a different animal. And with this, will come the fighting for who holds the identity of men, as CS MGTOW brought up.

For myself, the rest of the manosphere really doesn’t have much to offer me. I create games, so I would rather have my own game, instead of faking it like others do in the PUA area. MRM? Nothing they have matters to me at all personally.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Just a ManParticipant 934]

Again?!?! How many times do we have to “debate” this topic? MGTOW is like an explosion in that it is MEN being the pieces that go in all directions. It is not a movement, it is not a community, it is not political. It is men being men….PERIOD. Any movement is like a river in that they follow and have no choice. There is no MGTOW definition, by its very acronym it cannot be defined.
I apologize for being angry, but I’m sick to death of a select few STILL trying to pin down a “greased pig”…..STOP IT! It cannot be done. After this coming up all the time I would have thought it was obvious. End of rant.

Philosophy, the female repellent

[HuevonParticipant 68]

I can’t relate to what the guy in the video is talking about. It must be something about himself. Not about the topic.

Lets pretend all of these philosophies were a tree. If the manosphere was a stem, then MGTOW, PUA and MRA would be three brenches. All three brenches are growing in different directions. The tree itself grew on changes in society caused by feminism, and was watered with evolutionary psychology to grow strong and big.
If I want to have sex, of course I have game awareness (PUA brench), wenn I hit on women. When the topic comes up, I speak out for men’s rights (MRA). But I go my own way, and let no woman keep me from doing so (MGTOW).

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Just a Man wrote:

Again?!?! How many times do we have to “debate” this topic? MGTOW is like an explosion in that it is MEN being the pieces that go in all directions. It is not a movement, it is not a community, it is not political. It is men being men….PERIOD. Any movement is like a river in that they follow and have no choice. There is no MGTOW definition, by its very acronym it cannot be defined.I apologize for being angry, but I’m sick to death of a select few STILL trying to pin down a “greased pig”…..STOP IT! It cannot be done. After this coming up all the time I would have thought it was obvious. End of rant.

I mentioned it because it is coming up. Sorry if you got offended here. MGTOW is part of the manosphere, and I was asking of the thoughts of the MGTOWsphere (everything related to MGTOW) was going to have less and less to do with the rest of the manosphere.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[SandalsParticipant 4254]

I didn’t know what the manosphere was so I looked it up. The manosphere has a very derogatory and hostile attitude toward MGTOW reminiscent of militant feminism. This was clear enough after one minute of visiting the manosphere. I see no correlation between MGTOW and manosphere.

Manosphere seems very disorganized, but maybe I was doing it wrong?

I disagree though that MGTOW is not a movement. MGTOW is certainly a movement and is organized (this site is certainly organized), however, it appears largely organized by the invisible hand, and by universal forces, such as the ying yang. The stories, the support, everyone touching each other, transferring energy, through this website – that is both movement and organization. Movement is energy, and concentrated movement in a unified direction is organization. Nobody organizes a hurricane, but it moves and is highly organized. It is also made up of just wind – impossible to grasp. Yet people are humbled by it’s physical force, despite there being nothing solid about it.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Sandals wrote:

I didn’t know what the manosphere was so I looked it up. The manosphere has a very derogatory and hostile attitude toward MGTOW reminiscent of militant feminism. This was clear enough after one minute of visiting the manosphere. I see no correlation between MGTOW and manosphere.
Manosphere seems very disorganized, but maybe I was doing it wrong?
I disagree though that MGTOW is not a movement. MGTOW is certainly a movement and is organized (this site is certainly organized), however, it appears largely organized by the invisible hand, and by universal forces, such as the ying yang. The stories, the support, everyone touching each other, transferring energy, through this website – that is both movement and organization. Movement is energy, and concentrated movement in a unified direction is organization. Nobody organizes a hurricane, but it moves and is highly organized. It is also made up of just wind – impossible to grasp. Yet people are humbled by it’s physical force, despite there being nothing solid about it.

Early on, MGTOW was smaller, and didn’t have as much growth as it is now. It sat in the middle of the Manosphere, and was ignored, or attempted to be spoken about, as a way to gain for other parts. When the rest of the Manosphere appeared to not have much value for MGTOW, it turned on MGTOW. So, we have the drift going on.

As a replacement for “movement” you can maybe plug in “trend” which takes the normal understanding of movement.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[CodeBleuParticipant 161]

Skeptisk wrote:

Ned Trent wrote:

MonkeyMind wrote:

But i now have little interest in going back to the plantation so MRAs and PUAs have nothing to offer me with regards to self actualisation.

Same here, MonkeyMind. I for one to a very large extend make up my own mind and those two you just mentioned aren’t any part of it. Simple as that.Some people might want to instill a rift within MGTOW but that endeavor I somehow think is bound to fail… – my 2 cents –

Yup. Try to create a rift in the air, bound to fail. In my opinion, people start out as GTOW, and at an early age all this societal stuff drags them into these sphere of influences. Marriage and relationships are the most central. And many do so willingly, because they think it’s the “right” thing to do, other for pussy. Some are orbiting, hoping for pussy so they can partake in this thing. And then get surprised when they do get sucked in, chewed and spat out.

The brainwashed cannot wrap their minds around the idea of a man living life for himself. It’s an alien concept to them. When someone tells me I’m selfish for not providing for an ungrateful bitch, I just shrug my shoulders and go about my business. Just because someone hands you a plate with a turd on it, doesn’t mean you have to take it. Furthermore, these people think you owe them an acknowledgement of their “gift”. Who’s selfish now?

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