Is it wrong of me to have this mindset about mating market value for men, women?

[H8RealityWithHugePassionParticipant 10]

I’ve also heard one person say, that women are born, men are made, I think what he means is that life, reality, society, culture, has all of these rules, standards, expectations as to what seperates boys from men, but not for what seperates girls from women.

They always tell guys to Man Up, Be a Man, Grow a Pair, Grow some B~~~~, but I don’t think there is a female equivalent to those phrases.

[Anonymous 2]

H8RealityWithHugePassion wrote:

Is it wrong for me to think like this?

No.

[Schaefe89Participant 163]

looks are the only things that matter in the dating game. if you think otherwise, you are sadly mistaken. better yet– workout and gain knowledge so women come to you = no money spent on BS things like dinner and coffee.  humans are animals so you will find in nature that animals gravitate towards the strongest for procreation purposes. since humans are a tad more intelligent, strong genes are interpreted as good looks and wealth. its science and no amount of feminism,, Hollywood s~~~ can change that.

[H8RealityWithHugePassionParticipant 10]

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Got that from a Mark Manson discussion, as women get older and their mating market value declines, that’s their karma for placing that burden on us.

[hourglass44Participant 5]

I feel you 100% dude.  I was painfully shy growing up, and I watched my friends get dates and get laid or go to the prom, go to parties, etc, when I was in high school and college.  I didn’t do any of that.  I felt resentful of the c~~~y jerks that got the hot girls, and I particularly felt resentful of the fact that it was my responsibility to approach and woo the girl, and never the other way around.  Now, I’m a few years older, and I much more confident and able to flirt or get a date.  But I recently was dating this beautiful young girl who I was convinced was innocent and not trashed out yet.  Let me tell you what happened to me.

So, I just found out that this girl I was seeing was simultaneously seeing at least 3 other guys (over a 8 month period of time).  There were some red flags early on, like she was VERY hard to get a date with (she was “busy” and had a lot of “family commitments”), and she would cancel our plans from time to time for “birthday parties” and other BS excuses.  I let her know that I liked her, we went out several times and eventually got physical.  During those first few months, our dates were more frequent.  I let her know I wanted to see her exclusively, and she reassured me she “only talks to one guy at a time.”  She also told me she had dated only me in the past year.

Once, she sent me a text on a Thursday night, saying “wear your blue vest tomorrow night!”  Now, she and I didn’t have any plans for that Friday.  I texted back and asked her if she was a bad girl or something, and she reassured me that the text was for a girlfriend of hers, but I don’t believe that.

Little by little, she drifted away.  I recently found out through mutual friends about 3 other guys she was dating at the exact same time we were.  I am disgusted and feel incredibly stupid and embarrassed.  I also freaked out worrying about having unprotected sex with someone who was with at least 3 other guys during the same time.  I just can’t believe what a lying whore this girl was.  She had such a sweet personality and innocent face.  I never expected her to be like that.

So basically I am just venting.  I feel completely alone, and I feel like life is brutal and you cannot trust any girl anywhere.  This was a early-twenties, church-going girl, by the way.  She had no outward signs of being a lying slut.

I really don’t know the answers, other than to keep trying.  But some of these girls – especially the hot ones, are SO good at lying.  They are willing to look you right in the eyes and lie with a straight face.  It is scary.  They are basically heartless.  I wish I could identify those girls better so I could stay away.  I wish I could identify a good girl, if that even exists.

[hourglass44Participant 5]

Beer – you’re on point.  I’m a couple of years older, but I have learned a bit more slowly, I suppose, about how whorish cute girls are.  I agree with your points about having to find a girls in her early to mid 20s (if you want to get married), rather than a girl who’s been hopping from dick to dick for 15 years, but the question is: how do you know?  How can you ever tell if a girl (even a young girl) is a slut?  Yes, you can cross off some girls from the list – those with kids, those over 30, fat girls.  But how can you tell for those girls who aren’t crossed off if they are lying whores?  I recently dated a young, sweet looking girl who turns out to be a total slut.  I was shocked.  All my friends just tell me to become a player and go around f~~~ing different girls all the time.  As if this is the way to combat the harsh reality of slutty lying females in sheep’s clothing.

But that is missing the point, and it’s also completely depressing.  I don’t want to f~~~ different girls all the time.  I want to f~~~ one girl who I can fall in love with.  Shocking and quaint, I know (though it shouldn’t be).  It seems like, for me to want this is laughable and unrealistic in this brutal world full of utterly selfish sluts, and the only thing to do is either become a shark and join the perverse game or completely disengage and become a loner.  Not exactly nice options.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

hourglass44 wrote:

Beer – you’re on point. I’m a couple of years older, but I have learned a bit more slowly, I suppose, about how whorish cute girls are. I agree with your points about having to find a girls in her early to mid 20s (if you want to get married), rather than a girl who’s been hopping from dick to dick for 15 years, but the question is: how do you know?

You don’t.  All I started doing is when your getting to know someone…early on, when your talking about what your looking for, make sure you mention you think its disgusting when people have so many partners they run out of fingers to count them on.  Don’t sugar coat it…be blunt and in your face with it.  The goal is to be offensive about it, so that when you say it to a slut they will either become incredibly defensive about their slutty behavior, or actually get mad at you.  Either way, next them and move on.

If you do happen to find a chick that is a little more old fashioned in regards to sex, like you seem to be, and like I am, you’ll probably find they agree with you.  Its probably not the norm for our generation, but there still are some women out there with a low number who realize finding a guy with a low number is a better prospect for long term than a player.  Its not fool proof but if it helps you next a few whores without putting any emotional or financial investment into them, its worth trying.

[experiencedParticipant]

Everyone’s familiar with how a woman’s SMV goes up, peaks and then declines, crossing the male SMV that’s going up.

That’s all quantity.  The beautiful aspect of the chart,

childbearing aside, is it’s quality of being based on wants vs needs.

A man wants a woman who’s young, in shape, etc – – – – -he doesn’t need her.  VS

A woman, as the world turns, needs a man to provide for her if she is going to attain anything in the same ballpark to what she expected outta life.

It’s great to be in the group in charge of what’s needed rather than what’s wanted.

THAT’s why they are so p~~~ed and bitter when reality hits them, even post wall 40 oh f~~~,  45 ohhhh f~~~, 50 ……..,  55,      poor……………………poor.

 

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[H8RealityWithHugePassionParticipant 10]

experienced wrote:

Everyone’s familiar with how a woman’s SMV goes up, peaks and then declines, crossing the male SMV that’s going up. That’s all quantity. The beautiful aspect of the chart, childbearing aside, is it’s quality of being based on wants vs needs. A man wants a woman who’s young, in shape, etc – – – – -he doesn’t need her. VS A woman, as the world turns, needs a man to provide for her if she is going to attain anything in the same ballpark to what she expected outta life. It’s great to be in the group in charge of what’s needed rather than what’s wanted. THAT’s why they are so p~~~ed and bitter when reality hits them, even post wall 40 oh f~~~, 45 ohhhh f~~~, 50 …….., 55, poor……………………poor.

 

Yup, even this Dating Coach from the Bay Area, California, he has a YouTube channel titled 33secrets, he said when giving advice to older men, he specifically titled it men 35+ years of age dating young women in their 20’s, 18-29 age range women, he said to them, just a little caveat for you older guys out there, when you date younger women, be prepared for women your own age, who will hate on you, they’ll get angry, bitter, jealous, because they know the party is over for them while it’s just beginning for you, they will end up taking shots at you, and say things to you like “she’s just a baby, she’s young enough to be your daughter, your 30, 40 too!, just like me, your old too!”

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