Is it wrong of me to have this mindset about mating market value for men, women?

[H8RealityWithHugePassionParticipant 10]

It’s often argued, and debated, it is said that as women get older, primarily starting in their 30’s, their dating/sexual market value starts to decline, meanwhile that is not the case for men, one guy said to me that a man can get a woman at almost any age but it usually doesn’t work that way for women.

Well I understand the evolutionary reason behind it, it’s because as guys, we evolved over the course of evolution to seek out women that had the best potential to bear children. This is how Carlos Xuma stated it, and I believe he is right:

“The reality is that men evolved over time to feel attracted to women that had the best potential to bear us children. The appearance of youth in a woman is one of the most highly sought after qualities.

(If you need any proof, just witness the billions and billions of dollars spent each year on plastic surgery and cosmetics.)

Unfortunately, when she’s past her late thirties, a woman is much less likely to bear children – and avoid the health risks associated with age.

So you’re only a natural, red-blooded male when you feel attracted to women who give off that glow of youth.”

In some ways, I like to think of this as life, reality, evolution, giving or dealing women with karma for their lack of initiative towards guys they are or were attracted to growing up, always expecting guys to make the first move, do the approaching and asking out, initiating, being the initiator, escalating, taking the lead, etc.

Because women will never know the pain, frustration of having to step out of your comfort zone socially, because a shy, introverted, socially-awkward girl has a much better chance of getting a date, a boyfriend, than an introverted, socially-awkward guy will at getting a date, a girlfriend, those that disagree with that are delusional.

So basically, I like to think of this as men having the last laugh.

Is it wrong for me to think like this? sorry, it’s just there are times I am bitter and resentful, angry, frustrated, p~~~ed off that I was dealt with the card of having to be the risk-taker, be the one that does the approaching and asking out, taking the lead, etc.

The deep root of my anger, frustration for why I hate this card, gender role, is because I never learned to accept and deal with it earlier, yes I know you can’t change the past obviously, but I feel I didn’t have the typical, normal life of a guy in his late teens and early 20’s.

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Being socially awkward isn’t a negative in todays society, just ask all the divorced men on this site. Embrace your introversion, you may see it as a curse, but I (as a fellow introvert) see it as a gift. You are dodging the gallows pole that women want to walk you up on.

[H8RealityWithHugePassionParticipant 10]

Ya but still, just as life, reality is NOT fair that the onus is placed on men to approach first, be the initiators, its also NOT fair that women have a shelf life for attractiveness. So maybe that means women get their taste of how reality is unfair once their mating market value declines.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

It’s buying you time to grow up. Not be eaten at an early age.

The longer you go on like the the better chance you have at study and ‘getting on’

Think yourself lucky.

Just go ask BrainPilot ☺

[griffinParticipant 189]

H8RealityWithHugePassion wrote:

It’s often argued, and debated, it is said that as women get older, primarily starting in their 30’s, their dating/sexual market value starts to decline, meanwhile that is not the case for men, one guy said to me that a man can get a woman at almost any age but it usually doesn’t work that way for women.

I understand the whole “Wall” metaphor but I really don’t believe women have all that much trouble getting laid at any age if they want to ( even if their looks have faded substantially)…I still think it’s harder for guys to get laid on the whole.

I mean let’s face it, there’s no shortage of men out there that will f~~~ anything given half the chance, and if a woman is even remotely aggressive about it, it’s a done deal and I don’t think it matters how she looks for the most part.

But in regards to the rest of what you said, why even care about it honestly? Men WILL have the last laugh, and you, yourself, being here….are getting that last laugh as well…so move on and enjoy!

 

[H8RealityWithHugePassionParticipant 10]

griffin wrote:

H8RealityWithHugePassion wrote:

It’s often argued, and debated, it is said that as women get older, primarily starting in their 30’s, their dating/sexual market value starts to decline, meanwhile that is not the case for men, one guy said to me that a man can get a woman at almost any age but it usually doesn’t work that way for women.

I understand the whole “Wall” metaphor but I really don’t believe women have all that much trouble getting laid at any age if they want to ( even if their looks have faded substantially)…I still think it’s harder for guys to get laid on the whole. I mean let’s face it, there’s no shortage of men out there that will f~~~ anything given half the chance, and if a woman is even remotely aggressive about it, it’s a done deal and I don’t think it matters how she looks for the most part. But in regards to the rest of what you said, why even care about it honestly? Men WILL have the last laugh, and you, yourself, being here….are getting that last laugh as well…so move on and enjoy!

 

well obviously shy guys are going to struggle more than shy girls will.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

H8RealityWithHugePassion wrote:

but I feel I didn’t have the typical, normal life of a guy in his late teens and early 20’s

same here … been there, done that

and to be brutally honest, my atypical approach to life continues to this day …  i really don’t know what went wrong in my teens and 20’s, 30’s etc

i won’t go back in my mind and try and untangle what happened; i’ve walked away from it all and a new existence has evolved w/o any emotional chains that bind … still attracted to them but no longer even care what the ladies think; don’t care what anyone thinks … tonight i’m heading out with friends, great meal, great company, good times, freedom. have nice weekend, all.

 

[BeerParticipant 11832]

griffin wrote:

I understand the whole “Wall” metaphor but I really don’t believe women have all that much trouble getting laid at any age if they want to ( even if their looks have faded substantially)…I still think it’s harder for guys to get laid on the whole.

I don’t think its hard for them to get laid…I think the wall is more about it becomes harder for them to find a decent guy who is willing to marry them when they are ready to settle down after 10-15 years of riding the c~~~ carousel.  A decent looking low mileage girl in her early to mid 20s has a much better chance of hooking a husband than she would if  she instead opts for 10-15 years on the c~~~ carousel and wants to marry in her 30s.  Marrying is dumb enough on its own…marrying a well worn vagina with little if any reproductive value left is so stupid its beyond words.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

ILiveAgain wrote:

It’s buying you time to grow up. Not be eaten at an early age. The longer you go on like the the better chance you have at study and ‘getting on’ Think yourself lucky. Just go ask BrainPilot

This couldn’t be more true.  Your early 20’s are your prime years for setting up the rest of your life.  If you end up being 30, with a great career, a nice car, your own place, and no baggage women will be throwing themselves at you.

OP…its best to just not care about women…focus on yourself.  If you want some pussy you’ll get plenty when you are successful, and the best part is once you get into your mid 20’s the dumbest of the dumb as far as women are concerned have all already f~~~ed their lives up beyond belief at that point…so if you still do want a relationship at that point you can very easily weed out like 90% of the female population that would be a waste of your time to date anyhow.  Just cross out all the bitches with kids, that got fat already, and that have 100k worth of student debt for a degree in woman’s studies or some stupid s~~~, and you save yourself so much hassle in the long run.

[RennieParticipant]

H8RealityWithHugePassion wrote:

ISo you’re only a natural, red-blooded male when you feel attracted to women who give off that glow of youth.”

Don’t ever let anyone shame you into feeling otherwise either.

[griffinParticipant 189]

Beer wrote:

I don’t think its hard for them to get laid…I think the wall is more about it becomes harder for them to find a decent guy who is willing to marry them when they are ready to settle down after 10-15 years of riding the c~~~ carousel. A decent looking low mileage girl in her early to mid 20s has a much better chance of hooking a husband than she would if she instead opts for 10-15 years on the c~~~ carousel and wants to marry in her 30s. Marrying is dumb enough on its own…marrying a well worn vagina with little if any reproductive value left is so stupid its beyond words.

Yes, I agree with this in theory. Although I’d imagine it’s getting hard to even find a “low mileage” woman even in her mid twenties these days!…Still, as I said, there are more than enough men out there willing to f~~~, and I also believe (unfortunately ) that there are more than enough willing to marry women in their 3o’s as well, used up or not…40’s may be a different story though. Either way, it doesn’t matter to me anymore, been there, done that…moving along.

[experiencedParticipant]

If the aforementioned road is for you, once you’ve achieved your career etc early thirties, if you say to yourself, “OK now I,m gonna find me a wife,” it ain’t gonna happen. But if you don’t care, they will come out of everywhere to meet you, have sex with you, …………………………………and then they:

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[BeerParticipant 11832]

experienced wrote:

If the aforementioned road is for you, once you’ve achieved your career etc early thirties, if you say to yourself, “OK now I,m gonna find me a wife,” it ain’t gonna happen. But if you don’t care, they will come out of everywhere to meet you, have sex with you, …………………………………and then they:

I actually had the exact opposite of that happen in my life.  When I was younger I assumed I’d be married some day, since my view of marriage growing up was mostly that people married young and built a life together.  When I was 30, unwed, and realized my financial situation was easily top 10% of my peers, I just started to think why the f~~~ would I ever get married?  I think I have an easier time attracting women now than 5 years ago when I was a lot less wealthy, and spending most of my time and money at school, while working a dead end job to pay for it, so I’d definitely agree with the whole concept that women’s SMV peaks earlier than a man’s, and man tend to retain a higher SMV over the years.

I never thought “OK, time to find a wife,” my line of thought was “Well I earned all this on my own, do I really want to sign a contract that entitles someone who never lifted a finger to help me get here to half of it?”  Bundle that with most potential dates in the 25-30 range coming with debt, a vagina that has seen more dick than most women will ever admit to, and sky high divorce rates and it just doesn’t seem like marriage is anywhere near as decent an option as it was when my grandfathers got married…at least they did it when they were early 20s and hadn’t really gotten successful or accumulated wealth yet, married women who didn’t come strapped with debt, and married women who hadn’t spent a decade or more riding the c~~~ carousel.

 

[DarthWParticipant 70]

You are correct , Beer.  When I was dating in my 30s, I was not MGTOW, but I’d meet someone, get serious, then start doing the equations in my head about what I would get in return for an “investment” in marriage, and the sum of that equation was always that I would get nothing in return.  At first, I figured, “Oh, it was just her.  We weren’t a good match”, but after years of dating it was ALWAYS that there was nothing in marriage for the modern man.  In every case she was bringing debt, working some menial, low-paying gig yet expecting me to bring the bulk of the finances, on Xanax or other pills for weird “anxiety” or other emotional issues, had kids from some other guy, etc.  Really, the last couple relationships got to be that everytime I’d have some serious talk with her about any type of life issues, expectations, relationship stuff, that she’d say something else that would simply add another negative to the equation – “My drug-addled mother is going to move in with me for a while.  No, she’ll find a job and move soon.” (She didn’t moveout by 4 months later and I wasn’t going to be her mother’s financier as well.) “I’m taking <insert benzo prescription here> because I’m always stressed and have TMJ”, “In the past I would make self-destructive choices, but I’m trying to be different this time.” Thank the stars I had enough sense to think “There is nothing here for me.” and never found myself financially entangled in anything more.

Never ever get married.  To affirm my choice to stay single, I’ll ask an older married guy around me in conversation “Would you ever get married again?”  Without exception all of them say, “I love my wife, but if anything ever happened to her I would not marry again.”  The first part about loving their wife is the guy reminding himself what he’s supposed to feel for that harpie at home that nags him endlessly, whom he most likely pays all the bills for, and with whom the sex ended years ago.  The real meat of their message is in the second part “I would not marry again.”  Truth is many of these lonely, beta simps would marry again if something happened to her, but they also know that being married sucks whilst he is in the “thick of it”.  If marriage were so great and wonderful as women seem to want us to think these guys would instead be telling me “OH yes.  I would definitely marry again because it’s so wonderful.”

[Quiet ThomParticipant 116]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;”>Quoting DArthW: To affirm my choice to stay single, I’ll ask an older married guy around me in conversation “Would you ever get married again?”  Without exception all of them say, “I love my wife, but if anything ever happened to her I would not marry again.”  The first part about loving their wife is the guy reminding himself what he’s supposed to feel for that harpie at home that nags him endlessly, whom he most likely pays all the bills for, and with whom the sex ended years ago.  The real meat of their message is in the second part “I would not marry again.”  Truth is many of these lonely, beta simps would marry again if something happened to her, but they also know that being married sucks whilst he is in the “thick of it”.  If marriage were so great and wonderful as women seem to want us to think these guys would instead be telling me “OH yes.  I would definitely marry again because it’s so wonderful.”</span>

Truer words have not been spoken. I am that older man (61 yo) that he writes about. My circumstances are a bit different from most because I’m a widower. I will tell you this. I am a happier and more content person now that I no longer have a wife. A lot of men in my situation remarry very quickly to replace what they had. Why? I haven’t a clue. Loneliness, maybe. I will never remarry. I really like the peace and quiet of being alone, but I have friends and family and yes, a girlfriend, for when I want to get out into the world. I figured out early on that marriage and the laws pertaining to it was/were/are grossly unfair to men. I found that a woman’s logic (or lack there of) was a confusing mind f~~~ and mine field. I tolerated a lot from my wife due to her illness and stages of depression as a result of her illness. I don’t feel any compulsion to revisit and relive that s~~~ again. Just a couple of side notes….it still amazes me how well women behave when they know they can’t act like an asshole without immediate consequence. And, I’ve come to the conclusion that all a girlfriend actually brings to a relationship is sex, occasional food and drink, and more work for you to do or help her with.

[Gone SurfingParticipant 216]

You are correct with the sexual market values.

Men value youth, beauty and fertility in women.

Women value men with good genetic potential (alpha f~~~s) in their early to mid 20’s. They then switch as they get older to more of a provider strategy and look for a man with an established career (beta bucks).

This means mens value is higher in his mid 30’s because if he has got his s~~~ together then he is valued target for her dualistic mating strategy.

However don’t believe that any man in his 30’s will be beating them off with a s~~~ty stick. Only men who have realized his earning potential will be dripping in poon. Don’t forget that women would still prefer an alpha type dude who can provide for her over a beta dude with cash but she will take him if it her best option.

If your a bloke in his 30’s/40’s with a low paid job and no assets then don’t expect them to be knocking your door down to give you a blow job.

If you want that then hit the gym and get your career sorted otherwise your only option will be f~~~ing fat ugly hambeasts.

You have been warned.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I don’t know if the whole alpha/beta thing really applies as much as people think.  I’ve never really been overlooked by women.  I could have had a lot more pussy than I did over the years…I just chose to pass on a lot of it because of my own morals and values.  I have had a few girlfriends over the years, I’ve taken care of myself, I look younger than I am, I’m in good shape, I have a great job, nice car, etc…am I beating women off with a stick?  Nah.  But I definitely think at 31 a much higher percentage of women around my age are interested in me than was the case at 21, but even at 21 I had women interested.

I think it has more to do with that around 30 it begins to become clear who the winners and losers in life are.  Its more just like in the last 10 years I’ve gone from being an alpha who put more effort into goals other than pussy, to an alpha who has lots of money…and is still more interested in things other than pussy.  The sad thing is if you consider un-dateable girls as fat girls and single moms…at 21 that would knock out half your peers.  At 31 it knocks out like 90% of them lol.  I could go on a f~~~ spree if I wanted…I’d have no problem picking up all kinds of low quality women…but its simply not worth the effort.  I guess I’m just stuck in the void between alpha f~~~s and beta bucks, but the whole system disgusts me so its more fun choosing to sit on the sideline and not play.  Nobody is forcing me here, and money isn’t the only thing about me that is attractive to women as I’ve had women before I had money.  If I stumble upon a decent chick who put effort into herself and her life, who isn’t a retarded brainwashed feminist, and who hasn’t spent way too much time on the c~~~ carousel I’d love to hop back in the game…but then again we’d all love to find a unicorn.

[Gone SurfingParticipant 216]

Hey Beer

I think we are saying the same thing in slightly different ways. The better looking, keep in good shape and financially secure we are just gives you more options if you want to partake in the poon.

That being said a dating website did a survey and women found 80% of men below average in looks. So 20% of men have a advantage from the off and if they are financially sorted then these are the men all women prefer. The alpha analogy is just a way of describing it.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

griffin wrote:

I understand the whole “Wall” metaphor but I really don’t believe women have all that much trouble getting laid at any age if they want to

Oh they can get laid alright. But it gets harder and harder for them to get what they REALLY want: a man to pay for it. That’s what The Wall is really all about.

[Anonymous 12]

I think it really depends on how you see things.

Older women will always be a curiosity to younger men. Sure the younger men might just want to bang them but that is enough to keep older women’s ego’s going even if the older woman knows she will never actually give the younger men the time of day let alone anything else.

There is also a man for every type of woman. You may cringe at the idea of a really huge obese woman but there is a man out there who would knock you over to get to her.

So sex and dating for the older woman is not a problem in general, sure there are some women young and old that really appeal to a small minority of men but still they sign up to a dating site and get inundated with messages before they even fill out their profiles.

The problems start when they try and keep a man, they will be too fussy, too set in their ways, too hurt and cynical, used up, they will also be very proud and egotistical. Even if the older woman is a 6 or less she will still want some hunk, even if she is working the cash register at Walmart she will want a lawyer. In other words their delusions will let them down.

Younger women are much the same but men will put with a little more crap from them if they play their game well. Unless those men have woken up to themselves anyway.

On a related note, I actually spent some time on a Sugar Baby type site and what I have written above supports that. Some of the women I saw were 0’s to 4’s really ugly and yet they still expected high allowances and lots of pampering. One woman was an absolute bush pig plus in her mid 40’s and still holding out for some millionaire to come and spoil her. She didn’t even wear a nice dress for her profile photos!

So again, women just think they are God’s gift and that there mere presence makes them invaluable.

 

 

 

 

 

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