Is it possible to be atheist and MGTOW?

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Cipher, nice short and concise to the point. that is a good viable answer. upvote

He said no holds barred so I was just protecting my right to have free will. By exercising said right as many times as I like. lol this is fun and funny to me.

redneck string theory: The best time to put a beer in the freezer was 20 minutes ago. The second best time was 19 minutes ago.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

 

 

Cipher

Therefore, I conclude it is possible for one to be MGTOW and atheist, and furthermore that atheism is more conducive to MGTOW than theism.

I have a question then.  According to the rules you posted, meaning that MGTOW has rules to follow, how are you not deifying your own free will through the use of philosophical dogma?

You see I think that there is some misunderstanding that I am promoting some religion when in reality I see theism, in whatever form, as philosophically unavoidable.

Harpomason:

My law  says its true until proven otherwise.

Then you say:

I am well versed in the law as it pertains to my right to freedom of religion, and if I reserve, invoke and exercise my rights it is an act of free will. The claim of which does in fact stand true. No proof is needed. The burden then falls on anyone who can prove otherwise.This is the common law of the land here in USA.

 

That does not simplify anything but instead complicates thing  more. Are we talking Religious belief or are we talking theory of physics?

Don’t forget philosophy and the natural sciences too.

How you should have phrased the question is not relevant.  Your stuck with the question as is. Your attempt to change the question is akin to the way a lawyer thinks. Its  underhanded and sneaky.

I said in Post # 22913:  I should have made the thread question simpler.

I consider the original question as a personal matter of opinion anyways, no winner or loser. If your taking it personal that’s your problem, not mine.

I said in the introductory post #16504:

Debate. (I would be more offended if people did not get offended, so please no holds bar.  However, this is a debate among friends, so no one is better than the other at the end of it.).

Do  you want to go all day?  Because frankly I see this as a game of wits no different than checkers or chess.  You are good at entertaining me and I would be disappointed if you did not see it the same way.  Does this make me a dick?  A probable yes.  But I am a MGHOW and no f~~~s are required from me.

Wait let me guess your next move, you are going to browse through all my posts to find a contradiction so you can point it out.  Am I right?

 

 

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

No I am done here. Return to critical thinking post I explained it all there, and answered  the new branch off question. peace brother. I agree Its all in fun and entertaining. My philosophy and thoughts about theory are posted there. I don’t know my next move myself. So guessing at it is futile. I may go fishing today or drown someone in a river but I wont be building a tomb for some ambitious Booby. I have up voted you several times. hard to believe? interested in hearing your answer about self reflection.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[StoneCamelParticipant 0]

You don’t need to be believe in Krishnu to be MGTOW.

You need to understand

that you are a human man,

there are human women,

said women are trouble more often than not,

and that those women aint worth the trouble.

Any concept of “will” is just that we are conscious organism able to influence ourselves and our environment during the course of time.

If Jesus is REAL then you are still being effected by the same particles that effect atheists, why would God make particles if they aren’t relevant to his design?

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

How far do I have to lodge my head up my bum in order to be like John Doe, whose post is utter hogwash?

[John DoeParticipant 743]

 

Stone Camel:

You don’t need to be believe in Krishnu to be MGTOW.

True.  No disagreement.  Nor any one specific religion to be exact.  But human beings are naturally religious in that they always pursue a set of beliefs in one form or another.   Religion according to its dictionary definition.

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

People in their daily lives practice these things all the time, whether they are part of an institution or not.

I think where the tension comes in is this would leave Athiest MGTOWs, philosophically speaking, worshipping themselves in one manner or another as the “be all end all” in regards of truth/existence/etc.

Any concept of “will” is just that we are conscious organism able to influence ourselves and our environment during the course of time.

Natural unconscious forces also influence the environment, such as water/fire/wind/etc.  You might want to look up free will from a dictionary or book.  Influence can be an of will, but it not the concept itself of will.

If Jesus is REAL then you are still being effected by the same particles that effect atheists, why would God make particles if they aren’t relevant to his design?

First of all, Athiesm leaves us with a particle only understanding of the universe.  A theistic explanation does not.  That was the point.  So the question is bunk.  You might want to rephrase it.

Cipher:

How far do I have to lodge my head up my bum in order to be like John Doe, whose post is utter hogwash?

To be frank I don’t know if I want to respond with a witty retort or just ignore you.  However, with this post I obviously did not ignore you so ignoring  is out of the picture.  I don’t want to respond with a witty retort either, simply because you seem to lack wit and “outwitting” you would make me the intellectual equivalent of a school yard bully.

I think I would be best to respond with a set of questions:  Is the only thing you possess a blind belief in a set of dogmas?  What are you a follower who doesn’t reflect on his “own” ideas?  You say I am “wrong” then why don’t you explain why?

You are right in your own mind, obviously you should have nothing to be afraid of.  Don’t insult others, you are not good at it.  You just make yourself look bad.

 

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

I have a question….

Is it possible to be an atheist without being a smug, condescending, assclown? Personally I believe in God, whether anybody else does or doesn’t is none of my business. The SINGLE defining characteristic of the vast majority of atheists I’ve come across, hubris. They aren’t happy it seems just not believing in God, they MUST ridicule those that do. They preen and strut, and wax philosophically about their imagined intellectual superiority. They also claim to be “oppressed” by those practicing a religion. They make obviously false statements like: MOST wars are caused by religion. My favorite is their claim that there is no moral objectivity, but that they are right and I am wrong.

I am sure you can be an atheist and mgtow, but can you be an atheist without being an asshole…

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[…Spectator 1165]

lol @Smitty saying some funny s~~~.

[SuperMrDelgadoParticipant 0]

Well this was good for a laugh. This thread is nothing but a bunch of quasi intellectual masturbation by someone who doesn’t understand what the word atheism means.

[SargeslideParticipant 82]

Absolutely it can. All you are talking about is a set of beliefs. Beliefs can be held by anyone at any time, the question itself doesn’t really make sense. Is it possible to like Oranges and hate Apples? With all the blue pill crap in the bible (Working 7 years for a wife, getting duped and then working another 7 for the woman originally contracted for), it would be more appropriate to ask if you can be Christian and MGTOW? You don’t have to have the Big Zombie in the sky to be a good person, nor to be MGTOW.

[SargeslideParticipant 82]

BTW, Smitty, if your belief gives you comfort, peace and makes your life better, good for you. I mean that, no BS. I do not get those things from it, so I do not follow it. and No, you do not have to be a ASSCLOWN to be a Non-Believer. Same goes for Believers. This is not an attack.

Christians lead with their “Moral Superiority” BS, and refuse to see facts. Their “What if’s” are apparently far more important than mine. Also, my faith is just as strong and empowering as any Christian, it is just directed  down a different path.

I do not question why you believe, I accept you do, and move on, accept I do not, and do the same. Do not try to convert me, so that you have works of gold at the pearly gates, and I will not try to convert you.

 

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

I hadnt seen this thread before but felt like adding my 2c.

As I’ve mentioned in the past, I grew up extremely religious. I’m not anymore. My reasons are my own and I dont bother explaining them to most since my reasons involve intricacies of the cult/religion I grew up in.

Suffice to say I’m atheist now but I also know very well both sides of being atheist, and being religious.

In answer to the OP’s overly simplistic question for what truly is a complicated subject? Yes. Absolutely. One can be MGHOW and atheist. I am one of those. I’ll explain it as simply as I can so theres no room for misinterpretation: I go MY own way. The way I want to go, the choices I want to make. I am part of this website because I identify with some aspects of MGTOW. Just as I identify with some aspects of atheism.

Neither atheism nor MGTOW are belief structures. There is no dogma. There is no set rules; to set rules for MGTOW is contrary to the whole point of being MGTOW and that is to go your OWN, individual way. Not the way a bunch of dudes on a forum insist on, not the way a preacher from a pulpit insists is best and not the way a scientist from a lab insist on but to take what YOU want and live your life how you choose.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[Reality is the final court of appealParticipant 0]

Yes, it most definitely is possible to be an atheist and a MGTOW. I am just such an entity and see no contradiction within.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

John Doe wrote:

I am really disappointed in the lack of discussion in this topic. I could barely get even an imaginative response which really makes me questions Atheism even more. For all the “glory” atheists claim the imaginative mind brings, it really seems that atheism is a deathblow to the logical mind’s ability to create anything or any thought of real substantial value or meaning. Question Christianity and everyone gets upset, question Atheism and I barely get a response. I guess even “evil” proves the existence of God.

Why is determinism a default of atheism?  I am thinking most people here would see MGTOW is not having any problem being compatible with atheism.  The determinism angle is an entirely different thing for debate.  The reason for Christianity getting debated with MGTOW is that if one were to have going their own way as an end, the fact someone has a God they would submit to would seem to undermine that, so it is up to debate.  Sandman on Youtube, for example, holds that view.  I don’t think atheism is seen as having any problems with MGTOW.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Smitty the Great One wrote:

I have a question…. Is it possible to be an atheist without being a smug, condescending, assclown? Personally I believe in God, whether anybody else does or doesn’t is none of my business. The SINGLE defining characteristic of the vast majority of atheists I’ve come across, hubris. They aren’t happy it seems just not believing in God, they MUST ridicule those that do. They preen and strut, and wax philosophically about their imagined intellectual superiority. They also claim to be “oppressed” by those practicing a religion. They make obviously false statements like: MOST wars are caused by religion. My favorite is their claim that there is no moral objectivity, but that they are right and I am wrong. I am sure you can be an atheist and mgtow, but can you be an atheist without being an asshole…

What I have seen with a number of the atheists you have a problem with is that they were often raised in fundamentalists home, and either they had bad experiences, or intellectually they were pressured to believe things that they believe are stupid they can’t agree with.  Often times, they drop God, but will keep the same bad attitude they had as fundamentalists.  Intellect doesn’t fix character issues at all and intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing.  Anyhow, I won’t say all, but a number of them.  You can also get the person who has a religious devotion to science, and the scientific method as the end all and be all, and they subscribe to scientism, and that is their religion.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[BDParticipant 1146]

I am atheist and Mgtow.

That being said, I do have close friends that are religious.

I accept their beliefs, and they accept mine. I don’t preach and I do not tolerate preaching. There is  no reason to judge or convince, diversity is what makes the world interesting. I enjoy understanding the religions of others, there are always good qualities to take from them.

I  have attended various churches while visiting friends, and I appreciated the benefits that the churches brought to their communities. I enjoyed my experience at the churches yet I will never be religious.

That being said, religion has no relevance to Mgtow as a whole, it may have meaning to the individual on their own way.

Never let religion be an excuse to divide us.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Elgos_GrimParticipant 254]

I am sure you can be an atheist and mgtow, but can you be an atheist without being an asshole…

Some atheists can be arseholes, the same way some christians are (usually the evangelical type), often because they spent ages adhering to a belief structure that suddenly no longer makes sense to them. Arseholes will always exist everywhere, religion or no.

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