Is House Speaker Paul Ryan sabotaging replacement healthcare bill?

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

Is House Speaker Paul Ryan sabotaging replacement healthcare bill?

I usually do not comment on politics here, but this article caught my eye: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/ryancare-updates-provision-crack-illegal-aliens-deleted/

For the passed few weeks President Trump has been in intense negotiations to get the Freedom Caucus and others in the house to vote for the healthcare replacement bill.

Now, when it looks like the bill might be passed, it has come out that the bill had been suddenly changed to remove the regulations to crack down on illegal invaders receiving government benefits.

This change is sure to kill this bill in the house.

The best I can figure is that Paul Ryan is still upset that he lost the primary to President Trump. During the election Trump helped get Paul Ryan elected and keep his house speakership. In return Paul Ryan has politically gone against Trump a number of times during the election and afterward.

I believe Paul Ryan still wants to run for president and in his mind he believes that sabotaging President Trump’s attention is a path to the White House for himself.

House Speaker Ryan is about to learn the hard way that if the bill fails to pass the House, President Trump is not the one whom is going to be holding the bag on this. Instead, House Speaker Ryan will. Especially, if this regulation change in the bill can be tied to Speaker Ryan.

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[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Paul Ryan is the biggest cuck in Washington. I swear smh…

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[RoyDalParticipant]

Q: Is House Speaker Paul Ryan sabotaging replacement healthcare bill?

A: Yes.

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[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Yes, and it is only a thinly veiled sabotage—he is trying to sink Trump’s presidency by letting Obumma of the hook and tying this albatross to Trump.

Paul Ryan—Eddie Munster looking little f~~~ wad.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I’m tentatively against the “Ryancare” obamacare replacement since it raises penalties and doesn’t change much else. I’m with Rand Paul on this one. But I know very little about details.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 11]

This Ryancare does nothing for anyone except insurance companies. Government getting the f~~~ out of sickcare is the only solution.

I took my cat to vet. I received an examination, medication, and a blood panel for $56. Why should a basic human doctor visit cost much more?

The number of cash only docs is growing here. I wonder if Ryancare bans them. It probably will not make it out the House due to 21 Republicans who claim to be voting against it.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

The dems and rinos believe they can run out the clock to the congressional recess. The rinos and dems have not even confirmed all of President Trump’s cabinet members. A few of the rinos demanding President Trump take actions to the effect of politically bowing to the rinos in Congress.

What they forget is that a president as the authority to call congress to session any time he pleases. Meaning the possibility of no vacation for those in Congress (both the House and Senate).

If the members of Congress heads out of country and refuses President Trump’s order to come to sessions, President Trump can point out he tried to get Congress to do something but they prefer to play while the American people suffer due to their inaction.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

I thought Boehner summed it up:

It will be almost impossible to get any health care bill through Congress (implied: without involving Democrats) because Republicans never, ever, ever, ever agree on health care.

I think that kind of sums it up.

You’ve got a large Republican contingent in the Congress that wants a purely libertarian solution. You’ve got a large contingent that would like more money going to a more single-funded solution. You’ve got all Republicans very very aware that any f~~~ up in this matter will lead to a Democrat- controlled house in 22 months.

The only – and I mean only fix I see to this is a well-funded single-payer system that’s mostly libertarian in regulation, possibly with spanking insurance and pharmaceutical companies. As for paying for it, no one really gives a s~~~. We’re just printing money anyway at this point, and this would get everyone re-elected.

I think Trump is very cleverly letting Ryan take charge, knowing he will completely and totally f~~~ up. Then Trump will create a bipartisan solution, which hopefully will look like my solution, which is the only solution that will possibly allow his Presidency to thrive. He fixes health care, he’s in charge for seven+ more years, no question. He f~~~s this up, nothing good is going to happen for the rest of the year.

Ryan wanted to fix it? Great, let him charge up the f~~~ing hill and get gunned down with an idiot, corrupt, rent-seeking idea. Go Ryan! You go charge that machine-gun post! Get ’em, Captain! We’re behind you!

On the other hand, they’re all f~~~ing idiots, so who the f~~~ really knows.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

Elric Greenstone wrote:

You’ve got all Republicans very very aware that any f~~~ up in this matter will lead to a Democrat- controlled house in 22 months.

Those rinos are taking bribes to take a dives and wreck the nation. But, it depends on how the situation plays out. President Trump has made it clear fix it or let it crash and burn. As much as the his enemies would wish otherwise, he is not getting the blame. And he has time to fix this.

The idea of making a cross-state insurance market is good. Also, having price controls on drugs. This is what President Trump has been talking about. Given his actions on other matters, I believe he is sincere.

At the very least he wants to get rid of the penalties.

One other item. A House Speaker controls when a bill is put before a vote on the floor by Congress. If Paul Ryan puts a bill for a vote when he knows he does not have the votes he will get the blame.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Faust For Science wrote:

The best I can figure is that Paul Ryan is still upset that he lost the primary to President Trump.

But he never ran for president.

Faust For Science wrote:

During the election Trump helped get Paul Ryan elected and keep his house speakership.

? When did this happen? Ryan was an establishment guy and the establishment wanted nothing to do with Trump til after he won the primary…and even still they’d replace him in a heart beat if they could.

Anonymous wrote:

This Ryancare does nothing for anyone except insurance companies. Government getting the f~~~ out of sickcare is the only solution.

Everything I’ve seen of the Republican proposals seems to just be Obamacare that gives everyone with insurance a modest tax credit rather than give low income people a massive subsidy while giving the middle class nothing. Its still garbage but its like a 2/10 instead of a 1/10 because at least it doesn’t leave lower middle class folks in the dust while they end up paying for subsidies so other people can get better healthcare than they can afford for themselves.

Anonymous wrote:

I took my cat to vet. I received an examination, medication, and a blood panel for $56. Why should a basic human doctor visit cost much more?

Yup I’ve been saying this for years too. I took my dog to the vet a while back to get some x-rays…it was like 200 bucks for a full exam and a couple x-rays. I f~~~ed my foot up that same year, went to the doctors, he took 1 x-ray with literally the same machine just to say yup…can’t do nothing for ya, got a few broken toes…and it cost 600 bucks. I know doctors make a little more than vets but how the hell do you justify a 200% markup for a visit that took less time…AND it took a vet and a tech to x-ray my dog where as to x-ray my foot it took some lady who was probably less than an RN to push a button.

Our system is going to be f~~~ing garbage for as long as “reform” amounts to arguing how the inflated bill gets split up.

Anonymous wrote:

The number of cash only docs is growing here.

This is one of the things I never got about our health insurance system…why do people expect them to pay for everything? Catastrophic plans seem totally fine to me and Obamacare attempted to do away with them. Why do I need to get my insurance involved at all if I’m going to the doctors for antibiotics or something simple that doesn’t cost much? Its mandated I carry car insurance in my state and nobody expects their car insurance to pay for an oil change or new brakes. Yeah…I want to be insured if I get in a car accident and spend a week in the hospital, or get cancer or something…but why the f~~~ do I need it for basic things?

My last job was a union gig and everyone got the same insurance. I literally had the same plan as a young healthy single dude as middle aged guys with a wife and multiple kids. The amount that was paid into the system on my behalf for the amount of treatment I used was robbery(like 14k a year…good deal for the with a wife and 3 kids, s~~~ deal for the single guy). The last few years I’ve had a high deductible plan with an HSA. The company puts money into the HSA for me every year plus I’ve been maxing it instead of having all my healthcare spending going towards ridiculous premiums that get me nothing. At this point even if I get cancer or something and have a bad couple years I’ve got enough in my HSA to hit my out of pocket max for a couple years so its not going to break me. Its really a shame thinking about how much I could have set aside in my HSA had I been doing this since I started working instead of getting mixed into the comprehensive plan I didn’t need.

A recent trend I’ve been seeing pop up on various forums and news sites a lot more frequently the last few years is medical vacations. You can just go abroad to get relatively basic procedures done for a fraction of the cost of what it is here. Perfect solution for people who travel a bit anyhow or plan to retire abroad anyhow. I had a buddy who smashed a bunch of teeth out in a dirt bike accident and went to Thailand to get implants. The price of the implants there plus the price of the vacation he turned the trip into was less than what it would have cost him here. He literally had a kick ass vacation plus the procedure and still saved money. I saw an article just yesterday talking about practices popping up on the Mexican side of the US/Mexican border and how popular its becoming for Americans who live close enough for it to be a reasonable drive to use those doctors and pay cash rather than deal with our system.

Its just ridiculous we’re too f~~~ing stupid on a national level to even look at whats driving our costs so high and we’re still bickering about taxes and subsidies. The way I see it though its just one more reason to retire abroad and laugh my ass of at the broken system behind me on my way out the door.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Faust For Science wrote:

having price controls on drugs.

Simple solution to this…just pass a bill that drug companies can’t sell drugs here any more expensive per pill than they sell it for abroad. I don’t have a problem with big pharm making money, we want to continue to attract bright, talented people to the field so we continue to get new and better medicines, and $$$ is what does it. Plus a s~~~ load of money is spent on R&D, so I realize a lot of money is p~~~ed away on drugs that never hit the market, and even when a drug does get to market it may have been in development for years…but my problem is if they can sell a drug at let’s say 50 dollars per pill in Canada and across Europe and its profitable, otherwise they wouldn’t continue to sell it there, why do they need to sell it for twice as much here? We should find a happy medium…twists the drug companies arms into getting all the good little socialists to pony up their fair share rather than simply allow them to get away with bending us over because our government makes it so easy for them.

Plus I think patent laws are bulls~~~ for drug companies. They may have dumped many millions of dollars and years into developing and testing a drug, they get a relatively short patent on it, and then anyone can copy it and pump out generics. People want to bitch when some new cancer drug or something comes out that cost 2000 dollar a pill…but this is why…they want to make their investment back. I can’t blame them for it. I wouldn’t mind seeing drug companies be able to apply for extended patents on a case by case basis as long as they agreed to price limits rather than “Oh s~~~ we have to charge an astronomical amount for this drug for as long as the patent lasts or we’ll never turn a profit on it.”

Of course though we’d never get solutions like these because we’re too busy arguing about who has to pay for the welfare mom who doesn’t even know who her baby daddies are and how much extra millennials should have to puke out to pay for baby boomers who promised themselves a bunch of benefits they didn’t feel like funding while they were working.

[Y_Participant 4591]

I believe Trump never had – or has – any intention to repeal Obamacare at this point in time.

It is a game he is using to flush out his biggest foes in Congress and the positions of each one of his party voting. He is setting the stage for the tax and budget showdowns

It’s reconnaissance and a smart move of course.

Now he would know exactly who is where and why. Let the games begin.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

Y_ wrote:

I believe Trump never had – or has – any intention to repeal Obamacare at this point in time.

President Trump’s action speak otherwise. Remember, yesterday President Trump was the one to demand a vote when both he and Ryan knew they did not have the votes.

President Trump wanted to sink Ryancare without appearing to sink Ryancare so Ryan would get the blame and in a few months President Trump can push a clean repeal of Obamacare.

I explained this to you on the other thread.

Ryan was working on Ryancare because Trump took the other of office. This was all planned by Ryan and his allies to sink Trump. But, Trump turned the tables on them.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Yes, but Obummer care will collapse without the individual mandate. Trump walked away from a bad deal. On to the next thing. TAXES!

[Y_Participant 4591]

Faust For Science wrote:

President Trump’s action speak otherwise. Remember, yesterday President Trump was the one to demand a vote when both he and Ryan knew they did not have the votes.

President Trump wanted to sink Ryancare without appearing to sink Ryancare so Ryan would get the blame and in a few months President Trump can push a clean repeal of Obamacare.

I explained this to you on the other thread.

I have read your piece – thank you and very well done and as I said – I do not disagree with you – quite the contrary. I believe this is Trump’s tactical response to the individual or the situation at hand.

I am looking at this issue in terms of what Trump’s strategic objectives seem to be. The manner in which Trump went about Obamacare is totally out of character from what I know of the man. In my mind – looking at his contribution to the bill, the actual bill itself, the way he backed out without any kind of a fight, demanding partisan support and most importantly foregoing deals to push it through – make it almost conclusive he could have got A bill through if he really wanted.

Trump pushed through something people were calling Obamacare-Lite that he made sure was going to get rejected. It had to fail. Ryan was the Republican stooge – it would have been someone like him in any case. Now Trump can say he tried and was railroaded – another great move.

I do not disagree with your tactical analysis. However this is what the situation looks like to me strategically. I am therefore more interested to know – why did Trump do this. Why was it necessary to keep Obamacare.

I believe the reason may be tied to the tax bill or something else on the economic front. It may be clearer as he moves forward.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

Y_ wrote:

I do not disagree with your tactical analysis. However this is what the situation looks like to me strategically. I am therefore more interested to know – why did Trump do this. Why was it necessary to keep Obamacare.

Thank you for your post, Yumbo.

You need to understand that President Trump was not presented with an option to repeal Obamacare.

Before Trump took the oath of office, Paul Ryan created the Obamacare lite bill with it ready before Trump was in the White House.

When Trump met with Paul Ryan, Paul Ryan gave President Trump the option of take Obamacare lite or face being blaming with not repealing Obamcare. But, there was no option to repeal Obamacare due to Paul Ryan’s actions.

You need to understand as House Speaker, Paul Ryan controls which bills go to the House of Congress to vote and which do not. And Paul Ryan does not want any part of President Trump’s agenda to pass.

This is all political theater by Paul Ryan and his allies to try to stop Trump’s agenda, including repealing Obamacare, by appearing to repeal Obamacare instead to keep Obamacare, make Obamacare worse and blame Trump for the mess.

In this situation, Trump had two problems Paul Ryan and Obamacare lite.

Now that Obamacare lite has been shelved, and Paul Ryan has been politically embarrassed, Trump has move forward with his agenda with less interference from Paul Ryan. This includes repeal of Obamacare.

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