Is AWALT true?

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

I hear arguments from the other side about how not all women are like that… and I have also thought hard about how the different aspects of MGTOW fit with my Christianity.

Regarding NAWALT, I think I settled on an answer that I like:

It may be true that there are a handful of NAWALTs out there. But what are the odds, in this planet of 7 billion people, that I will find my perfect, compatible soul-mate NAWALT? Especially right in my own community/town, among my own circle of friends?

And it’s not like a lottery ticket, where you only spend a dollar or two and there are no lifelong side effects from not winning. You’re about as likely to win the lottery as you are to find a NAWALT, and the risks are incredibly greater from playing the marriage-lottery game.

So from a purely academic standpoint, there may be some NAWALTs out there. But the odds of me finding one are vanishingly small. And there are too many risks associated with playing that game and losing.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Anonymous 42]

The day you see a c~~~ hanging off one is the day you’ll see NAWALT!

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

It really depends on what traits you are looking at.

However, things like hypergamy are hard wired by evolution. Of course they can use their brians to overcome it, but it is difficult.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Anonymous 6]

Like trying to find a virgin in a whorehouse, impossible!

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Sorry man—AWALT. It really is just that simple.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

OK this is unbelievable timing, because a couple of nights ago, our email was flooded by a NAWALT who wanted to join the forums , but didn’t – “out of respect for our boundaries” – and she even pointed that out as if it made her somehow “special”.

Within 3 exchanges she outed herself as an AWALT. And beautifully too. She even REFUSED TO BELIEVE that we responded to her personally and so quickly – even though we quoted her back to herself directly and personalized it with her name.

The level of solipsism and narcissism was unmatched,
and she was totally unaware of it.

( It was epic. Plan to post more on this later. I was actually going to create an AWALT thread myself. )

Your post is perfectly sensible. The most important thing to realize is NAWALT is a deflection to get you to think in terms of the lowest common denominator. As if 1 negates the other 99. We broke this down for the NAWALT too. Perhaps I should append it into this thread so you can see the breakdown. It was a staggering textbook example.

You’re gonna be amazed. It even addresses the question: “Is AWALT / NAWALT true?” If I add it here, I will bump the thread and make it sticky. And I will edit this reply to point to it. I just need the time to do it. So later.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22545]

Is AWALT true? Yes and no. Let us put it this way. There are some women whom are happily married with a husband they want and children they are proud of, with no intentions of divorce. Though, such women marry young. 18 or 19 to a childhood friend their age.

This is such a rarity in this present day that AWALT is the rule, with such women as mention above being the exception to the rule.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

I think that there are many traits that are pretty much universal among women… hypergamy being a big one. It is possible (with much effort) to overcome some of these, but that’s almost unheard of now, especially in western societies. Even in the Christian understanding of women, hypergamy is reality. In that regard, I’m in agreement with you, Pistol Pete. 🙂

On the other hand, I think it is theoretically possible for a woman to learn not to be nagging, shrewish, bitchy, etc etc. I also think that much of their negative behavior is so entrenched that several generations will have to pass by before society recognizes this behavior for what it is and condemns it. Won’t happen in my lifetime.

But anyways… it’s still all just academic. The odds are laughably, impossibly small that I or anyone else would find a perfect NAWALT. And we are so drenched in bad behavior from women everywhere that there is even the danger of mistaking slightly less bad behavior for actually virtuous behavior.

KM, I’m looking forward to that conversation!

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Silver Fox wrote:

KM, I’m looking forward to that conversation!

You’ll get it. Going to a SuperBowl thing – mostly for the food. Im rooting for the Patriots just because they are called “the Patriots”. America really needs that now. Smiles.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DDJParticipant 1880]

Silver Fox wrote:

I hear arguments from the other side about how not all women are like that… and I have also thought hard about how the different aspects of MGTOW fit with my Christianity.

Regarding NAWALT, I think I settled on an answer that I like:

It may be true that there are a handful of NAWALTs out there. But what are the odds, in this planet of 7 billion people, that I will find my perfect, compatible soul-mate NAWALT? Especially right in my own community/town, among my own circle of friends?

And it’s not like a lottery ticket, where you only spend a dollar or two and there are no lifelong side effects from not winning. You’re about as likely to win the lottery as you are to find a NAWALT, and the risks are incredibly greater from playing the marriage-lottery game.

So from a purely academic standpoint, there may be some NAWALTs out there. But the odds of me finding one are vanishingly small. And there are too many risks associated with playing that game and losing.

I used to think the same thing. I was married and divorced at an early age…my ex-wife from that marriage was awalt. I was divorced and during the post divorce fight…my ex allowed a child molester to rape both of my children. The Court appointed investigator helped her cover it up and now my son is in a mental institution and my daughter from that marriage is permanently damaged. Almost 200,000 dollars and 3 separate court actions later…including criminal investigations, CPS investigations, Appellate reviews, and a public relations fight…I finally won.

But the irreparable damage was done. My family was destroyed…my children forever changed.

After I divorced her, I met another woman…she was asking for my hand in marriage for over 4 years. She even got pregnant when she thought I might leave her, around year 3. I didn’t see the signs.

After 21 year together and 16 years married…one year after she wrote me a birthday card how she wanted to live the rest of her life with me. A year later she abandoned the marriage…and our children.

Why?

She wanted to f~~~ other men and had surrounded herself with SJWs. When she left…she became technically homeless…sleeping with others for shelter…even though she had a good job.

She tried to accuse me of DV…even though our son witnessed the incident and debunked her story. She, her feminist attorneys and a corrupt court system set me up for failure…and that’s not just rhetoric. I discovered her attorney…a prominent feminist…and the judge…another prominent feminist…were in near continuous communication during our divorce…emailing and other ex parte contact…the attorney was even seeking the courts advice on how to prepare for hearings. When I presented the evidence in court…it was ignored.

I won full custody…but they tried to fine me 10s of thousands of dollars because I stood against them…even putting a warrant out for my arrest.

So when you tell me you believe there is such a thing as awalt, after experiencing this personal tragedy called marriage and working in Family Law for over 10 years as a legal professional…I have to debunk this myth right now.

There is no such thing as awalt…they even knew this in ancient times. It’s a myth.

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Silver Fox—if you go back to the Bible you will notice that in Genesis Adam is given authority over the woman. Now why would that be?

God knows what he is doing…he knows what he created which is why Adam was given authority OVER the woman. He makes the decisions not her. That is intended to keep her negative qualities under control. That is God’s plan for men and women.

Now that doesn’t mean God sanctioned men petty dictators. (AS women would have you believe) Men understand authority comes with responsibility and accountability. And therein is the rough. Women DON’T see authority that way. For them authority is merely a club to beat someone with—no accountability no responsibility.

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

I’m rooting for the Patriots just because they are called “the Patriots”.

New England Patriots! And I won’t say anything derogatory or degrading because their fans are some pretty tough customers, and being in their neck of the woods I’m risking a lynching or at least my house getting burned down, feminists aren’t s~~~ compared to these motherf~~~ers!

[ApexScorpionParticipant 602]

Time itself proves AWALT.

Just let a little time pass and the familiarity creep in. It’ll show eventually.

Keymaster wrote:

Your post is perfectly sensible. The most important thing to realize is NAWALT is a deflection to get you to think in terms of the lowest common denominator. As if 1 negates the other 99.

Women and blue pill men want to think that there is just one trait that we are taking about. They don’t know how thorough red pill knowledge is. If there are 99 problems and you prove that you don’t apply to 1,then you have 98 more levels to clear, which they will inevitably fail. If they do pass all levels, I doubt you can consider that a “woman”.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Silver Fox wrote:

soul-mate

Chick term. Stop using it or thinking in these terms. It’s some idiot mangina’s creation to sell a book to women.

Silver Fox wrote:

So from a purely academic standpoint, there may be some NAWALTs out there. But the odds of me finding one are vanishingly small. And there are too many risks associated with playing that game and losing.

Correct. How old are you?? I’m 51, never married, no children. I’ve dated hundreds of women, of all different ages/ethnicities/socio-economic status’/etc and I can tell you with certainty that all women have the same make up [no pun intended].
1. All truth is relative. Truth, for a woman, is what ever get’s her what she wants OR it’s what ever manipulates the argument/conversation the best.
2. All women are insecure [about damn near everything — looks, figure, love, you-name-it]. You can tell them all that they’re the most beautiful woman on the planet and NOT ONE of them will believe you.
3. All women get pleasure from your misery. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/9126265/Research-finds-women-feel-happy-when-their-husband-or-partner-is-upset.html
Let that one breathe for a while . . .
4. Everything about every woman is temporary. Her looks/happiness/faithfulness/anger/health/etc
5. All women are chameleons.
6. All women are skilled and prolific liars [worth remembering the next time you encounter a NAWALT].
7. All women will protect the sisterhood at all costs from a male assault. However, they will eat their own young in competition or coordination with other women.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[experiencedParticipant]

NAWALT would be like winning the largest lottery, what are the odds? BUT it having stipulated that “results change” and can take everything represented back – like women say “people change” which means, “F~~~ those vows, I don’t care. Now, where are all of your financial records?”

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

PistolPete wrote:

Silver Fox—if you go back to the Bible you will notice that in Genesis Adam is given authority over the woman. Now why would that be?

God knows what he is doing…he knows what he created which is why Adam was given authority OVER the woman. He makes the decisions not her. That is intended to keep her negative qualities under control. That is God’s plan for men and women.

Now that doesn’t mean God sanctioned men petty dictators. (AS women would have you believe) Men understand authority comes with responsibility and accountability. And therein is the rough. Women DON’T see authority that way. For them authority is merely a club to beat someone with—no accountability no responsibility.

Agreed… And when God placed the curse on mankind, part of that curse was that women would desire to rule over their husbands. The archaic language is a little confusing but that’s what the original meaning was. And that should also be a huge warning for men… that women by default are going to try to rule over their husbands. The book of Proverbs has a lot of warnings to men about what it’s like living with women.

Misandry Today, thanks for sharing that story… that’s truly horrific. I’m really glad you were able to get custody of your kids, though. At least you have the opportunity to help them, or at least stop any further damage being done.

ApexScorpion, good point. Whole books could be written about all that, I guess. And I think that highlights another point, that a man would have to be incredibly well-prepared and very knowledgeable about every possible permutation of bad behavior and how it could be manifested in women… an impossibly huge task. And would a twenty-something year old man have all that figured out? Not a chance.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[experiencedParticipant]

Silver Fox wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

Silver Fox—if you go back to the Bible you will notice that in Genesis Adam is given authority over the woman. Now why would that be?

God knows what he is doing…he knows what he created which is why Adam was given authority OVER the woman. He makes the decisions not her. That is intended to keep her negative qualities under control. That is God’s plan for men and women.

Now that doesn’t mean God sanctioned men petty dictators. (AS women would have you believe) Men understand authority comes with responsibility and accountability. And therein is the rough. Women DON’T see authority that way. For them authority is merely a club to beat someone with—no accountability no responsibility.

Agreed… And when God placed the curse on mankind, part of that curse was that women would desire to rule over their husbands. The archaic language is a little confusing but that’s what the original meaning was. And that should also be a huge warning for men… that women by default are going to try to rule over their husbands. The book of Proverbs has a lot of warnings to men about what it’s like living with women.

Misandry Today, thanks for sharing that story… that’s truly horrific. I’m really glad you were able to get custody of your kids, though. At least you have the opportunity to help them, or at least stop any further damage being done.

ApexScorpion, good point. Whole books could be written about all that, I guess. And I think that highlights another point, that a man would have to be incredibly well-prepared and very knowledgeable about every possible permutation of bad behavior and how it could be manifested in women… an impossibly huge task. And would a twenty-something year old man have all that figured out? Not a chance.

When the set up was for Job to really suffer, his kids were taken away, but not his wife.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

experienced wrote:

NAWALT would be like winning the largest lottery, what are the odds? BUT it having stipulated that “results change” and can take everything represented back – like women say “people change” which means, “F~~~ those vows, I don’t care. Now, where are all of your financial records?”

Funny, “F~~~ my vows” is exactly what my ex said to me when I asked her if her vows meant anything to her. 🙂

Solomon’s Wisdom, I’m 31, and I have far less experience than most with women. 🙂 I only dated one girl in college for any length of time (took a couple others on just single dates or to a movie or whatever). And, honest to God, my first time having sex was with my wife on our wedding night (I was 25, she was 21).

Most of that background was due to Christian beliefs about “no sex before marriage” and all that. So I never experienced all of the horrors of having a long-term girlfriend, or cohabitating, or cheating, etc. It also made me rather smug and I assumed that divorce would never happen to me because I didn’t believe in it and wouldn’t marry anyone who did either.

… Oh, re: “soul-mate,” I agree… I guess I was trying to use it in the stereotypical sense, because it’s just so ridiculous that everyone thinks they are actually going to find their “soul-mate.” But yeah. It’s a stupid concept.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[TuneoutParticipant]

I think you’d have better odds in finding Big Foot
or the Loch Ness monster than that one Unicorn today.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[CataphractParticipant 2656]

Taking a chance on marrying a woman you believe is a true NAWALT is less like a lottery and more like Russian Roulette with 3 bullets in the barrel.

Worse still, most NAWALTs are at best someone who will not make your life worse but still fail to bring anywhere near as much value to the table as you will.

In short, you’re not really missing out on anything good if you stay single.

Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.

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