Introduction

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

Keymaster wrote:

It’s not his problem. He should NEVER expect (or see coming) any “imminent peril” in a relationship where a woman should ONLY be loving and kind.

This isn’t his character flaw. It’s HERS.

You are correct, if she is nothing but loving and kind. But when she is not (or no longer) these things? I believe the second part of what you quoted was more important:

“many choose to ignore the signs right in front of them. I am not one these people”

When she is not (or no longer is) loving and kind does he bear total absolution for not recognizing this fact and failing act upon it?
Sure someone can steal my car, or rob my house, and its their fault for doing it. That doesn’t mean I should stop locking my doors. I hold myself to account for any action I took that helped foster my situation.

The original statement though, served only as commentary on my own situational awareness in regards to my lack of expectation at getting f~~~ed over. I simply point out that in the unlikely event that she decide to go 5th Gear C~~~, that (I think) I’m observant enough to notice a shift in gears.

Keymaster wrote:

If a relationship (or marriage) is something a man should treat with the same apprehension, and he’s an “idiot” for not seeing it coming…. then that says it all right there.

To point out: “Idiot” is not a word I used. But to describe a degree of willful ignorance when ignoring symptoms of C~~~ery if they should present themselves. Well, I guess its as good as any.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[Anonymous 42]

Chuddox wrote:

why would I risk agitating a person with whom I share a currently equitable division of assets, but to who the law shows significant favoritism to should those assets need to be split?

So, you do see the choker chain of marriage around your neck? Whereas any rational human being using logic and FACTUAL numbers would assess the risk, even at the cost of loosing a potential Unicorn?
How would you explain the unicorn concept to a young man that only knows otherwise, a man who sees nothing but C~~~ Carousel riders all around him, and everything in his life is stained with carousel grease, tell him the true meaning of “White Wedding”, tell me how hard he laughs, how red his face gets, and how long he rolls around on the floor.

Chuddox wrote:

When she is not (or no longer is) loving and kind does he bear total absolution for not recognizing this fact and failing act upon it?

A man goes into a relationship and little by little he’s chipped away by a master jeweler (women) but she’s not seeking to enhance him with her crafty works, she’s intent on shaping him to her needs at the cost of neglecting his, AWALT.

Every Unicorn has a bit of AWALT in them, to deny this fact is an exorcise in foolishness.

To sum it up the way I see you; you’re a man standing in a legal oven praising your alleged unicorn for not turning it on, but the fact is the pilot light is lit and the gas is on.

Most the men in MGTOW have been burned to a cinder in this gynocentric oven, they’ve gone up the chimney, something you apparently haven’t done. Look around, look at all the ashes of men! I think you’re a TRADCON trolling for the institution of marriage. You’re trying to legitimatize the ovens! You’re tricks won’t work here, we’re the survivors in striped rags wearing a star of David.

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You don’t belong here, come back when you’re ashes, we’ll teach you the morph of the Phoenix…

[David199Participant 47]

@chuddox

An aspect most people fail to recognise when Addressing any MGHOW is that it’s not about women hating and an act of revenge etc. On the contary most men I’ve spoken to on here are going their own way because they have alternative aspirations and goals to that of a “Blue Piller”. Whether that be intellectual pursuits, pouring quality time into hobbies or even just looking for a simpler life.
Yes there are going to be men here that are bitter and hateful at first due to the s~~~ they have had to endure, but that is just part of the healing process.
As you have already discovered, men such as keymaster don’t speak from emotion but that of rationallity.

As a final thought, I praise your willingness to seek understanding and holding debate instead of the shaming tactics usually deployed. BUT be careful what you wish for, because the path towards understanding may open your eyes to something you do not want to see and cannot unsee.

Kind Regards

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I am confident it won’t fail. What are the biggest predictors of future behavior? Past behavior.

This is incorrect. My aunt and my both of step sisters changed eventually. Female nature doesn’t change. My aunt I have know my entire life and she was more than willing to lie, back stab, play games. She literally drove my uncle to the grave. He was depressed and I see why, she expect him to make a lot of money to provide for her. The stupid f~~~’in c~~~ didn’t care men end their lives after a divorce because they couldn’t make the payments. Her reasoning was that my uncle gave his daughters a large of money and that everyone should live poor.
My own sister wouldn’t allow to talk to my niece. This was a fight over her belittling her and yelling at her.
Women are emotional creatures they are capable of some crazy s~~~. Your logic is flawed. Btw the reason why 40% of the men get child custody is more likely due to fact they make less or have no job at all.

There was only one woman I truly wanted to date another I wanted date however I didn’t know her well enough because I only met her once. The only reason i didn’t date the first woman was due to the fact I didn’t want get married. She chased me for over a year trying to get me to ask her out. Why am I saying this? Because many of the women who had interest in my were either married or had boyfriends. You’re talking about 1 to 2 % worth dating let alone marriage. A woman worth marrying would be far below 1%.

How do you know if your wife is a unicorn? Time, time only tells which means either you two divorce and she doesn’t f~~~ you up the ass financially or when you’re dying then you can claim she was a unicorn other that that you’re talking bulls~~~.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Chuddox:

I’m really glad your marriage is exceptional in that it is going well. Really, I am happy you are one of the lucky ones, a distinct minority. Welcome to the forum.

But others will understand this when I say it.

I don’t care how much of a Unicorn or NAWALT she is, if I never sign that awful legal contract called a marriage, then I will not NEED to rely on her “staying nice”

I have, and always will, retain the power of “no”. There is not a single sound reason to put my neck in a noose and simply hope that nobody pull the lever. If I keep my neck out of the noose I don’t have to fear the Hangman.

Instead of relying on her good graces, I can rely on myself.

To marry in modern times is to give someone else a lot of power over you, handing them a gun to hold over your head.

I can’t live like that. I don’t have to live like that and I won’t live like that.

Frank V.

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

David199 wrote:

An aspect most people fail to recognise when Addressing any MGHOW is that it’s not about women hating and an act of revenge etc. On the contary most men I’ve spoken to on here are going their own way because they have alternative aspirations and goals to that of a “Blue Piller”. Whether that be intellectual pursuits, pouring quality time into hobbies or even just looking for a simpler life.
Yes there are going to be men here that are bitter and hateful at first due to the s~~~ they have had to endure, but that is just part of the healing process.
As you have already discovered, men such as keymaster don’t speak from emotion but that of rationallity.

As a final thought, I praise your willingness to seek understanding and holding debate instead of the shaming tactics usually deployed. BUT be careful what you wish for, because the path towards understanding may open your eyes to something you do not want to see and cannot unsee.

Kind Regards

Thank you for the welcome.

I’ve enjoyed looking over the forums and reading keymaster’s posts. Even those that I don’t necessarily agree 100% with, he is excellent at making his point
I appreciate you taking the time to point out that this is a community where no single member is sole and total representative of the philosophy in its entirety. I understand that some will be angrier than others, some will have cooler heads, and some will just be dicks.

Your last paragraph confuses me. Why would I employ shaming tactics on a philosophy I agree with? No one should do anything they don’t want to. I wouldn’t scorn that ever. I might not have been concise enough in my description of my personal philosophy. It seems people here have read into more than I have written. I will outline them below:

I am married.
I do not support marriage (anymore).
I would not re-marry.
I remain married because overall in the risk/reward assessment of divorce it seems riskier to provoke a reaction when I am ambivalent toward the outcome.
I do not hate woman.
I do not like women.
It is true I have not experienced the emotional and financial harm caused to others through the misuse of undeserved female privilege. Much like a hot stove I do not need to put my hand inside the fire to know I will get burnt, it will hurt, and it will suck.
The laws surrounding marriage, children, etc (blue pill “paradise”) are grossly unfair. They should be changed.
I do not expect you to date, if it is not your desire to do so. No one should look to others to fulfill or validate them. I do not.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

Anonymous wrote:

So, you do see the choker chain of marriage around your neck?

Of course I do. I’ve been abundantly clear in my discussions that I don’t promote marriage for anyone. The disparity in “rights” surrounding marriage is one of this things that sparked my curiosity about mgtow.

Anonymous wrote:

A man goes into a relationship and little by little he’s chipped away by a master jeweler (women) but she’s not seeking to enhance him with her crafty works, she’s intent on shaping him to her needs at the cost of neglecting his, AWALT.

Maybe I’m just less obtuse than most people? I work in a prison where people attempt to manipulate me daily. The first attempt to “chip” away at me will be the last.

Anonymous wrote:

Every Unicorn has a bit of AWALT in them, to deny this fact is an exorcise in foolishness.

I didn’t deny this. Nor did I claim NAWALT. Ever.

Anonymous wrote:

To sum it up the way I see you; you’re a man standing in a legal oven praising your alleged unicorn for not turning it on, but the fact is the pilot light is lit and the gas is on.

Most the men in MGTOW have been burned to a cinder in this gynocentric oven, they’ve gone up the chimney, something you apparently haven’t done. Look around, look at all the ashes of men! I think you’re a TRADCON trolling for the institution of marriage. You’re trying to legitimatize the ovens! You’re tricks won’t work here, we’re the survivors in striped rags wearing a star of David.

Yes, because saying “I don’t support getting married, don’t do it” in every single post I’ve mentioned it in somehow reads “I support marriage”. I think you are seeing what you want to see, and no amount of trying on my part is going to show you of something you have, without basis, convinced yourself is true.

Anonymous wrote:

You don’t belong here, come back when you’re ashes, we’ll teach you the morph of the Phoenix…

Lucky for me, I do what I want, and not what you want.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[Anonymous 42]

OK, I was a little hard on you, I just can’t tolerate another unicorn parade across the fields of MGTOW. With every force comes an equal and opposite reaction, I like to make sure enough force is exerted to scatter any unicorn parades, you’re making sense, and arguing against the truth is fruitless.

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