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A friend of mine from the internet showed me this website, and being I’m something of what I call a “Freedomist” I took to reading.
Full Disclosure: I’m Married. Have been for 15 years. Either she is a Unicorn, or she has the most insidious long play ever. I can’t say I’ve experienced most (if any) of the horrific things I’ve read here with this woman (Past ex-girlfriends are another story). We are both employed, so I don’t support her. We enjoy most of the same things (video games, comic books, movies etc), which includes leaving each other alone to pursue our individual goals. I’m not writing this as a “OMG GUYS, DON’T GIVE UP! NAWALT”, but simply to lend some understanding to where I’m coming from, and why I might struggle at times to understand a viewpoint if it so vastly differs from my own experiences.
It seems almost foreign to me when I see and hear a man say “I gotta go/do ‘X’. She doesn’t like when I Do(n’t) ‘X'”. My gut, and often spoken reaction to this is “Are you 12, and is she your Mom? Then who gives a f~~~? ” I begin to wonder if all married men are such f~~~ing browbeat pussies that they sacrifice their individuality and their testicles with marriage? Am I alone on the planet as the only married man not living in fear of female decree? I’ve dated some c~~~s, but they usually showed themselves pretty early (lucky for me I guess). I don’t find the female psychology to be overly complicated. You guys pretty much nail the underlying drives of most women. I think I’ve simplified it to: Gain status and garner its associated privileges. Married? Financial privileges. Pregnant? Social and financial privileges. Just being a hormonal c~~~…er ‘victim’? Legal, financial and social privileges.
I respect all of you who choose not to get involved with that sort of deplorable t~~~.“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
Welcome Chuddox. Its a men’s interest website first and foremost, preferably men with un-fogged lenses.
I’m not writing this as a “OMG GUYS, DON’T GIVE UP! NAWALT”, but simply to lend some understanding to where I’m coming from
I have an older cousin (in Germany) who has been with the same woman for 28 years (unmarried). He has 2 sisters. One is still married (she’s extremely cool and understanding) the family is rock solid – unlike ANY I have seen before. Even the kids are exemplary and they really set an example.
This is just within my personal life. So it DOES/CAN “work”.
And I have seen it first hand.My brother is also non-divorced. But his wife tried to pull s~~~ on ME that I didn’t let her get away with and neither would any other man here. I actually had to tell him “YOU married her. YOU have to do what she wants. I DO NOT”. This caused a friction in the family for 4 years, and I refused to cave.
His wife came between us and separated brothers for 4 years.
We were not even on speaking terms. Even at Christmas.What he thinks is a “good marriage” is my version of hell.
I begin to wonder if all married men are such f~~~ing browbeat pussies that they sacrifice their individuality and their testicles with marriage?
That’s not really fair, because when a man WANTS to put his foot down – he can’t legally do it. If my sister in law was my wife (instead of his) she would have f~~~ing strangled me and made my life miserable. Certainly would have divorced, I would never stood for it. But my brother did – even when it meant turning his back on his brother.
When a man decides something is totally unacceptable he can’t enforce it. The outcome of the marriage is not his to determine – even if he wants it to work. My brother is just one whim away from being divorced. On a whim, if she wants to, she can flatten him tomorrow.
And so can your wife.
It’s like the kids are only his, because she allows it.
This is the underlying reality.Am I alone on the planet as the only married man not living in fear of female decree?
It’s not “fear”. It’s sensible.
It’s not even “a moral issue”. It’s a LEGAL issue.Doesn’t matter if she’s a Unicorn. Her attorneys and the state won’t be.
understand a viewpoint if it so vastly differs from my own experiences.
You don’t need to experience it personally — just like you don’t need to “personally” murder someone to know that it’s wrong.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.We were not even on speaking terms. Even at Christmas.
my sisters did the same to me , on thanksgiving and christmas.
they knew my ex left and dragged me through court,forcing me into debt.
yet they were VICIOUS in attacking my character in the presence of my child.
then cancelled the holidays for my kid and me.
ALL on their “whims” ..On a whim, if she wants to, she can flatten him tomorrow.
And so can your wife.
It’s like the kids are only his, because she allows it.
i only see my child because the mother would rather go party with her friends…
so i gladly take care of the kid.
because SHE allows it.
one phone call and i can be ruined.
i didn’t put a gun to her head to marry and start a family..
SHE wanted that too.
then she CHANGED HER MIND .
child support money i pay probably keeps me “free”
i now monitor all communications with her .
like living in a “spy ” movie,but it’s real. very real.welcome chuddox, you may be on thinner ice than you realize..no offence meant !
i only see my child because the mother would rather go party with her friends…
so i gladly take care of the kid.
because SHE allows it.
one phone call and i can be ruined.
i didn’t put a gun to her head to marry and start a family..
SHE wanted that too.
then she CHANGED HER MIND .
child support money i pay probably keeps me “free”
i now monitor all communications with her .
like living in a “spy ” movie,but it’s real. very real.welcome chuddox, you may be on thinner ice than you realize..no offence meant !
None taken. Sorry to hear about your situation. I love my son, and hope I can be even half the dad my father is to me. But as to something Keymaster said, and you affirmed.
On a whim, if she wants to, she can flatten him tomorrow.
And so can your wife.
Technically, on the surface, this is true. I could come home some day and find my s~~~ out on the lawn, the cops there, and locks changed.
About as equally likely I could come home and find out she’s been running a meth lab out of the gardening shed. My skepticism is not fueled by the thought that “it can’t happen to me” Because I work in a world of s~~~, I see it every day. No, mine is more recognition of predisposition (or lack thereof). The same could be said of me. I could come home one day and kick the s~~~ out of her for making me angry. I certainly have the ability. I possess probably three to four times the upper body strength that she does. I have years of training in martial arts. I could kick the crap out of her, it would be easy. But would I? No. Not out of some fear of reprisal, or that it would be writing her a blank check as far as the legal system is concerned. I wouldn’t do it simply because it isn’t something encompassed by my morality as ‘ok’ to do. I don’t use violence to solve my problems (except when necessitated by circumstance).I notice a lot of the men here talk about how they saw the signs of general c~~~iness and made allowances, and excuses for it. Rare is the guy who says “holy s~~~ I was totally blindsided when she turned into a raging she bitch”. It happens, but its rare. 15 years is a long time to hide “the signs” of c~~~-dom. So like I said, either she is a unicorn, or she has the most insidious long play ever. I digress though. I didn’t come to talk about her.
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
My brother is also non-divorced
Brilliant. I second this motion:
Along with striking the word “unmarried” from my vocabulary to refer to bachelors, I shall henceforth refer to non-bachelors as “undivorced.”
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Many of my female family members lie, back stab and other s~~~. As I was going up it wasn’t that bad however the past 10 years it got really bad. When in conflict with women that’s when women show their true colors. It’s not even worth speaking to most women because they become forgetful all of a sudden or lie through their teeth.
Only one of my aunt is been honest for now. She was telling me going my own way is a good idea because her husband called me a loser for not marrying.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Sorry wrong thread.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
But as to something Keymaster said, and you affirmed. Technically, on the surface, this is true. I could come home some day and find my s~~~ out on the lawn, the cops there, and locks changed. About as equally likely I could come home and find out she’s been running a meth lab out of the gardening shed.
Okay. Interesting progress here.
Let’s take a look at that sentiment. The idea that “she would never destroy you… is as likely as her starting a meth lab”. Highly unlikely. Damn near impossible. Roger that. Loud and clear.
But that’s not a plus.
It’s not a positive.If you saw a sign that said “man eating alligators” and the alligator trainer was there and told you “no f~~~ing way they will eat or touch you” it’s still not a good enough reason to enter. More importantly, it’s not enough to change your opinion on alligators. Nor should it be.
1 / 5 / 10 / 100 women who won’t finish you off is not a positive enough reason to be PRO-marriage, or to think anti-divorce sentiments are silly and unreasonable.
I have actually heard women use it as a sales pitch.
“I would never do that to you!”But guess what.
/audio/awalt-all-women-are-like-that/I listened to many girlfriends and female BEST pitches for marriage, and the BEST thing they had to say about it was I won’t get robbed, or I won’t die alone. But if the are the best reasons women can come up with, they can take that wedding and shove it.
As a man, I don’t propose and discuss marriage by saying “I would never beat and abuse you”… or ….. “please date / marry me because I’m not abusive” is not a reason for a woman to go out with me.
Man kneels with engagement ring.
Woman says I won’t steal your house.
A sensible man requires far more incentive than that.So, the fact that there is zero likelihood that she will flatten you and the chances are greater that she will start a meth lab, doesn’t mean it’s “working”. It only means you’re quite confident it won’t fail.
Rare is the guy who says “holy s~~~ I was totally blindsided when she turned into a raging she bitch”. It happens, but its rare.
I’m really delighted to be the one to break it to you….
but NO MAN can afford to be that naive. Here it is again.
/audio/awalt-all-women-are-like-that/If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I notice a lot of the men here talk about how they saw the signs of general c~~~iness and made allowances, and excuses for it.
That’s because men have been conditioned to be the nice guy. For me I didn’t allow that happen too much. I gave women as much of a chance I would with a man. People are human and will make mistakes however most women will continue because they can get away with it.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Anonymous42Hello Chuddox,,,,
Many men have 20 to 30 year old unicorn horns broke off in their asses!
I’ve watched mellow non drama 20 year old marriages go to s~~~ over night!
I know more divorced marry’go’round riders with saddle soars that just keep hopping on and getting thrown off again and again.Unicorns have horns!, With modern marriage laws, the erosion of standards, and the influence of feminism, a unicorn is most likely to get spooked, lose awareness, and stab you with her horn as she stampedes under all the stress!
Times have changed, unicorns are corralled onto the beach of liberalism and drowned by society’s wave upon wave of feminism.
Try going on a 60 to 90 day adventure “ALONE”, and then tell me what you think about your alleged so-called unicorn.
I have actually heard women use it as a sales pitch.
“I would never do that to you!”KM here in Taxichusetts they say “I would never hurt you” then they “HURT” you… Go figure??? I like your gator analogy.
Here in Messachusetts the small number of MGTOW (myself included) learn to run over the backs of these alligators setting them off as they turn and bite each-other like a room full of mousetraps!But that’s not a plus.
It’s not a positive.I’m not trying to portray it as a positive, or for anything more than it was. A statement of “Ability does not equal intent”
1 / 5 / 10 / 100 women who won’t finish you off is not a positive enough reason to be PRO-marriage, or to think anti-divorce sentiments are silly and unreasonable.
One thing I am certainly not doing, is urging anyone to get, or stay married, or even be around women.
So, the fact that there is zero likelihood that she will flatten you and the chances are greater that she will start a meth lab, doesn’t mean it’s “working”. It only means you’re quite confident it won’t fail.
I am confident it won’t fail. What are the biggest predictors of future behavior? Past behavior. If someone acts like a greedy, whorish, insufferable c~~~, chances are they will continue to do so. If someone acts as an equitible partner for 15 years, indications are good that without significant changes to life or attitudes that this person will continue to act in said manner. Again. I’m not advocating anyone get married. I certainly would never do so again. Not with the risks it entails
I’m really delighted to be the one to break it to you….
but NO MAN can afford to be that naive.Indeed, no man should be so blinded by “love” that he dismisses signs of his imminent peril. I think the point I made was that few people are so blind that they don’t see it coming, many choose to ignore the signs right in front of them. I am not one these people. I state specifically that 15 years of observed behavior serve as the best indicators for future behaviors. If this changes, then my reaction to the behavior will change accordingly.
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
Anonymous42without significant changes to life or attitudes that this person will continue to act in said manner.
So What happens when “life” turns for the worse? What happens when you “need” her? I’ll tell ya, that sparkly horn goes through your abdomen as she flings you aside! Sure it’s nice to have a car parked in the garage in relative safety, but when you need it most, to outrun a tornado, you would have been better off building a MGTOW bunker, than getting killed by a car that (when absolutely needed) stalled and left you stranded…
I state specifically that 15 years of observed behavior serve as the best indicators for future behaviors. If this changes, then my reaction to the behavior will change accordingly.
When or if it does, the divorce process lays unequal burden on the man (you).
The benefit of marriage is for gays, lesbians, transgenders, divorce attorneys, courts, police, probation, clergy, and women!
Where do I fit in?
Hmmmmm,,,, I don’t!
I will not allow myself to be used by this form of “so-called equality”, where I serve as a pack mule to keep the slaughter house full of man-meat to keep the nutritious manburgers flowing to the above stated benefactors of the gynocentric marriage system.
I’m firmly planted in “f~~~ off and die” to marriage, it’s right where feminism has “legally” planted me!
I will not be harvested for the wayward sake of marriage and that it encompasses. NO. F~~~ING. WAY!!!So What happens when “life” turns for the worse? What happens when you “need” her?
Been there, done that. Went through a bankruptcy and months of unemployment. I’m still confused why we are hung up on this?
When or if it does, the divorce process lays unequal burden on the man (you).
The benefit of marriage is for gays, lesbians, transgenders, divorce attorneys, courts, police, probation, clergy, and women!
Of this there can be no dispute, with perhaps the only exception being the police. Again I can only speak from a position of knowledge regarding my own state. They don’t benefit from divorce, they’d rather not deal with it at all. In fact its one of the professions with the highest rates of divorce (“you’re never around”) several of my colleagues have recently been through divorce, and my department is relatively small. The majority of them are already lining up to make the same mistakes again though, and I can only ask myself: “Why? Why would you get burned and then put your hand back on the stove?”
I will not allow myself to be used by this form of “so-called equality”, where I serve as a pack mule to keep the slaughter house full of man-meat to keep the nutritious manburgers flowing to the above stated benefactors of the gynocentric marriage system.
I’m firmly planted in “f~~~ off and die” to marriage, it’s right where feminism has “legally” planted me!
I will not be harvested for the wayward sake of marriage and that it encompasses. NO. F~~~ING. WAY!!!(sarcasm) What you’re not impressed by the 40% increase in child custody awards to men in recent years? It was something like 10% of cases awarded Fathers full custody… but its up to a whopping 14% now…Amazing! (/sarcasm)
Privileges afforded to women prior to the vote should have been revoked immediately once the political situation changed. Of this there can be no doubt. As stated, I don’t question any mans reasons for being MGTOW. They are his own. I don’t live his life, and I don’t bear his consequences. The same is to be said for me. None here bear the consequences of my marriage, succeed or fail, except me, and it isn’t the reason I came here.“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
Good responses! Good enough to let them be because I understand your points – except one:
Indeed, no man should be so blinded by “love” that he dismisses signs of his imminent peril. I think the point I made was that few people are so blind that they don’t see it coming,
It’s not his problem. He should NEVER expect (or see coming) any “imminent peril” in a relationship where a woman should ONLY be loving and kind.
This isn’t his character flaw. It’s HERS.
The possibility of “imminent peril” in a loving relationships or marriage is unacceptable. The very point of a relationship or marriage that that it is ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES that you would NOT prepare for it, or be expecting it.
You don’t fasten your seatbelt when you go to sleep at night.
This is someone you sleep naked with.
PLUS she VOWED in front of everyone!
So what should a man “see coming” exactly?If I am supposed to “see it coming” before my wife cuts my dick off… then I am already able to see it coming from every f~~~ing bitch in that audience and every one who laughed at that, and I don’t even need to date her once. No one will ever be able to tell me I’m just a blind and stupid pussy because I didn’t see it coming. Even Her husband saw it coming. That’s why he didn’t want to live with her any more.
Imminent peril is possible — and expected — when you perform a daredevil stunt, or jump off a mountain, or when you fasten your seatbelt before heading out in your car. If a relationship (or marriage) is something a man should treat with the same apprehension, and he’s an “idiot” for not seeing it coming…. then that says it all right there.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous42Welcome Chuddox,
Thanks for sharing. You do indeed share a perspective that is different from most here. Hope you don’t mind us sharing our experiences, perspectives and insight.Doesn’t matter if she’s a Unicorn. Her attorneys and the state won’t be.
If she’s a Unicorn, then the attorney’s and state most definitely resemble Pestilence.
I am confident it won’t fail. What are the biggest predictors of future behavior? Past behavior….
I don’t know bud, I’d have to disagree… like any other investment, past performance does not guarantee future results. Still, I hope things continue to work out for you.
Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...
What are the biggest predictors of future behavior? Past behavior.
Hey Chud. Welcome to the site. Intelligent discourse is the order of the day here, so you know your stock market, but that doesn’t apply to women. It’s also baked into Briffault’s Law. What she does tomorrow will never be based on the last x-number of days, months or years.
Even wall street is less volatile than women, and on Wall St. you can at least count on the price going up or down. Women are all over the map.
Hey Chuddox welcome aboard. You’re in a good group of guys here.
I’m going to throw a guess out there – are you running married redpill on your wife? Based on some of the discussion, it sounds like but wanted to ask outright.
If you are, then more power to you. If marriage/family is what you’re after, definitely go for it. I ask two questions though:
1) What value do you ultimately get out of it? That is, marriage + kids if you have/want to go that route.
2) And more importantly, what do you get from marriage that you can’t get elsewhere – for less cost & risk?
I’m not trying to be a smartass – it’s a genuine question. In my research i haven’t seen the “reward” part of the “risk vs. reward” side of the equation play out, for me anyway. Cheers.
Hey Chuddox welcome aboard. You’re in a good group of guys here.
I’m going to throw a guess out there – are you running married redpill on your wife? Based on some of the discussion, it sounds like but wanted to ask outright.
Pretty much. We are married. But we have separate accounts for individual asset management, and a joint account to take care of joint liabilities.
She works days, I work nights. We live our lives largely separately, but do spend some time engaging in mutual hobbies. I wouldn’t presume to tell her what to do with her time, I’d be laughed at for simply doing so. And she knows the first time I just- had
to go shopping for whateverdumbs~~~ she needed would be met with a resounding “f~~~ no”.
If you are, then more power to you. If marriage/family is what you’re after, definitely go for it. I ask two questions though:
1) What value do you ultimately get out of it? That is, marriage + kids if you have/want to go that route.
2) And more importantly, what do you get from marriage that you can’t get elsewhere – for less cost & risk?
The marriage and kid (there is and will be only one) weren’t planned, insofar as I didn’t wake up one day and say “damn I need to find me wimmin”. I have never been accused of an overabundance of empathy. Drop to one knee and beg for eternal love whilst proffering up the token band? F~~~ no. It was a rational, almost clinical discussion about why to get married (immigration was a factor). I never bought engagement or wedding rings. Other than that, even my “blue pill” feelings on Marriage were ambivalent. So, if after 15 years, I no longer feel baser urges to procreate, or really spend time with women other than if/when I seek , why would I risk agitating a person with whom I share a currently equitable division of assets, but to who the law shows significant favoritism to should those assets need to be split? Especially since, by and large, our interactions are cordial in nature? To use KM’s analogy: If I am in the alligator pen already I choose to be the alligator wrangler rather than the poor shlep passing through
I’m not trying to be a smartass – it’s a genuine question. In my research i haven’t seen the “reward” part of the “risk vs. reward” side of the equation play out, for me anyway. Cheers.
Currently there is an equitable division of resources (60/40) and domestic labor (30/70). The rewards are no more or less than one receives from any sort of roommate, other than the few tax benefits. Its why I don’t support marriage in its current form. You are correct in the assertion that the risks far outweigh the benefits. I think (I am newly introduced to the philosophy so forgive me if I’m wrong) that this is at least partially the reason for MGTOW in the first place. Men are fed up with being the societal whipping boy. Part of this is the perception of obligation toward women. True: When your wife was ineligible to hold a job, and when she was entirely financially dependent on a husband for livelihood, then institutions like Alimony and Child Support made some modicum of sense. But we don’t live in the Victorian era. That these principles are outmoded and socially abusive isn’t news to anyone in the community here.
Hoped that answered your questions. If not, I’m around.
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
Hey Chud. Welcome to the site. Intelligent discourse is the order of the day here, so you know your stock market, but that doesn’t apply to women. It’s also baked into Briffault’s Law. What she does tomorrow will never be based on the last x-number of days, months or years.
Even wall street is less volatile than women, and on Wall St. you can at least count on the price going up or down. Women are all over the map.
I didn’t make the stock market connection when I wrote it. Funny that, but more appropriately I was identifying it from a viewpoint of criminalistic behavior:
Criminals (and like women, sociopaths specifically) display a certain set of reasonably predictable traits. Poor impulse control, lack of remorse or the ability to empathize with others, malignant narcissism, manipulation, violent outbursts. All of these things are somewhat predictable within an individual sociopaths psychology and these traits are shared to at least some degree across individuals of the subtype.“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
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