IN Defense of Incels

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

I have no criticism for incels at all. I grew up being a shy teenager and it was hard for me to talk to girls. I desperately wanted a girlfriend, though. When it comes to dating, men have to be brave enough to put forth the effort to introduce themselves to women and start a conversation. For shy guys, this is easier said than done.

I remember my Army days. I was in certain situations where I just had to be bold and yell at people. I think that helped me talk to people without being too nervous. After a couple of years of being a barracks rat, I decided to go out with my buddies and meet people. Some of the women I met were at social events that other soldiers went to. I got their phone numbers and went out on dates. I had to date several women before I got comfortable enough to make a move. One day I met a woman who was a college student in a chat room. I got her phone number and we started talking. Then we started dating. Once we felt relaxed around each other, we f~~~ed.

For some women, it’s a slow process of dating, hugging, kissing, and touching that makes them feel comfortable enough to have sex with a guy. And the reason professional PUAs make so much money is: it’s very, very easy for a guy to mess up the dating/seduction process. If you say the wrong thing or make the wrong move at the wrong time, it’s over. No sex.

If an incel doesn’t feel like playing the dating game, he can always go to a legal brothel just to get the experience of being around a naked woman and f~~~ing her. That might help him get out of his comfort zone and consider dating. But to each his own.

I wish we lived in a world where we could all be rock stars. Those guys don’t have to develop some sort of strategy to get laid. The women just come to them and wait their turn to be chosen. If you’re a rock star, women will do any sexual thing you like, all night long, and they’ll even make breakfast for you the next day.

So form a rock band, and call yourselves The Incels. Nothing makes those panties wet like social value and lots of money.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

Manspread Mansplainer wrote:

I hear libtards and tradcucks suggesting the government should provide them hookers. They’re half-joking and half-serious but still contemplating as the answer.

These would be the same libtards and tradcucks who consider prostitution as the root of all evil in society? i thought two wrongs didn’t make a right, also once again the solution is more government paid for by people who are capable of sorting their own lives out.

PuniShredder wrote:

Could somebody once and for all please f~~~ing explain to me what the Hell an incel is?

Involuntary celibate, someone who wants a relationship but for whatever reason is unable to find a suitable partner.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

Ah ok..we had them growing up too but we called them either ugly, weird, geeks etc. whatever. They couldn’t get laid. No one shot up f~~~ing schools because of it. Some actually f~~~ing improved themselves.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[Anonymous 12]

PuniShredder wrote:

Could somebody once and for all please f~~~ing explain to me what the Hell an incel is?

Involuntarily Celibate. Men who want women and sex but can’t get it. As opposed to MGTOW who don’t want women at all.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

F~~~ incels, I hope they get married (yes I’m thst evil)

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[bstoffParticipant 4863]

Incels that say they want true love, are really saying they want women to lie to them.
They are better off as incels than as victims.

[Anonymous 12]

I want to help them, we as men should help them. As MGTOW I feel we are almost honor bound to clue these suffering guys in, and help them re-orient themselves so that they can find an end to their suffering.
They need help, not more criticism

Incel’s are men who believe sex is a right and if they don’t or can’t get a woman then they are worthless. They need to wake up and see what is really happening and why they should be happy to be without a woman.

Smitty Says help them
Branched off describes them as, what i perceive to be a special kind of Blue b~~~~ Blue Pill

Now, Incels currently have my pity, because i almost became one, had i not met my first woman (married, child…) and from there it took off…
But if they have a blue pill mindset, should we help them?

Does MGTOW have anything to do with helping Men that are stuck in a sexless world, whose perception and entire life revolves around “being with a woman” and having that sex?

Hmm.
No.
Women as they exist today are toxic – he who believes a woman is the solution to his life is a Fool.

Even that aside…
What action is proposed to remove the misery from an Incel’s life? Give him the sex and fuzzy feelings he craves, as to reel him in and put him INTO the Matrix?

Helping Incels: Who benefits?

They are better off as Incels than as victims.

The Matrix is scared the Incels blow a fuse and start shooting people, otherwise the Matrix does not care one Iota about Incels.

Incels will find their own path to MGTOW.
Or not.

How can MGTOW help Incels?
Let them be in peace, do not redpill them directly,
+ but point out their safe position in regards to women,
+ point out their freedom and their Mental and Physical potential, when focussed right.

[NoMoreParticipant 1233]

I would detail the incel as a complex psychological and social phenomena. Psychologically, they seem to bridge the borderline personality disorder with splitting and narcissistic PD.

They split in that random girl A gives them attention and they idolize her. They send her love messages, texts, or emails. When she turns them down, she is castigated as a tease, whore, slut, unworthy. The narcissism comes into play when he thinks that his overtures and actions should be rewarded with romantic prizes.

This BPD and NPD may stem from the treatment of children as being ‘the best’ and every outcome is deserving of praise. Even failure gets a participation trophy. They grow up having every good or bad effort praised as a success. Thus, they do not know failure. To them, everything should be rewarded with what they desire. You grew up striking out every time at bat, but once hit a double. Here’s a trophy. You can’t maintain a normal conversation for more than 30 seconds, you should get a woman that wants to sleep with you.

They have no capacity to accept failure. They have been taught that they are special and deserve their wildest desires. When they don’t receive them, it isn’t because they have failed, it is because society has failed them. When they were 10, they lost at the spelling bee or baseball game. Yet, they still got a prized trophy to display. At 18, they help her with homework, buy her a birthday card, and speak kindly of her. But, receive no romantic relationship or sex. How dare their adolescent reward scheme not translate into the adult world!

Society fails them again by inculcating and reinforcing the reward system of sex and relationships. Media floods us with images the successful males having multiple sexually attractive women. Drink the right tequila, live here, drive this car; hell, even watch commercials make it seem like you will bed supermodels if you sport their watch.

Our social parenting has nurtured a generation that demands reward regardless of success. Our media has insisted that the reward be sex.

We stand here in the midst of a generation of boys who do not know failure. Compounded on this is the expectation of sexual self determination due to ‘not failing’.

Boiled down, we have kids who can’t handle being mediocre and not fulfilling their sexual desires.

A co-worker recently told me, "If you want to see who someone really is, divorce them." I have found out how true this is. When your wife drops the façade of being the caring partner, you will witness all of the greed, hate, and spite that she has masked. It is truly breathtaking!

[Jim01Participant 6678]

this whole thing is society (so women) slagging off an easy target

I have nothing against incels – stupid current female shaming word – and hope they move past that need for sex/women. That is probably what women fear the most – a whole army of men just giving up totally and I bet a lot of those incels are beta orbiters so the last thing women want is those guys not simping after them anymore

just reminds me of geek culture – shamed and shamed until women realised those guys weren’t giving them attention so they infiltrated it and doing their best to ruin it (Star Wars is completely destroyed now as one example). I just want the fake girl geeks and hipster losers to get bored of it all (they will at some point) and f~~~ off so it can all be rebuilt again

[Anonymous 3]

I would like to think everyone can be helped and live a meaningful life. The truth is, people become screwed up by anything and everything, and most times they cannot be helped.

Are incels in pain? Yes.
Does their pain come from not getting a woman? Yes.
Is their ideas the result of societal indoctrination? Yes.
Is it possible to tell them that they are mistaken to think their value comes from the “holly vagina”? No.

They will not accept the only thing that could help them, because that is a core belief that defines them. So they are bound to suffer and nothing can be done about it.

But society now wants to persecute them… Double down the oppression… I sincerely hope that they react, I hope they start fighting back and hating the system. It is better than being sheep lead to the slaughter.

We sometimes talk about the end of civilization, then we become sad about the sufferings of some people. There are no omelets without breaking eggs. The end of civilization IS major suffering, injustice, death and famine.

We are going to see a lot of it.

[Anonymous 42]

Feminism has created an entire plethora of abnormal.

Incels are only a part of it, the cure is vanquishing veminism from the face of the earth!

Has anyone payed any attention to feminism and the mental illness they embrace?

Typical female nature, be the cause of the ailment, then blame it on someone or something else maintaining ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY!

I’ll be shoveling feminism’s slop back onto feminism until the day I die!

Great to see you Smitty! have ya seen John Doe lately, I know he’s still lurking around…

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

I gotta say, you guys are a mixed bag on this. We got some yeah, let’s help them with some following sound advice… much appreciated. We have a decent amount of snark, some satire…. a turd or 2 of nastiness, because I guess f~~~ you that’s why, a smidge of what the f~~~? and finally some stupid s~~~ too. I gotta say, good job guys. Now the only thing left is how to help at least 1 incel. I’ll go find one personally and see what I can do. I’ll let you guys know what I come up with.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I now have a great desire to red pill some incel cucks, just to unleash a Kraken of destruction upon the world.

F~~~ the incels and f~~~ their c~~~y victims, too. I really want to help wind a few of them up.

It’d make a nice science experiment.

I’d like to conduct a free PUA seminar, and instead show the Turd Flinging Monkey videos.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I got laid a few times in early college but went through a 2 and a half year slump with no sex despite my intense interest to do so.

Then, in senior year of college I got into med school. Within 6 weeks a girl got me to ask her to marry her and that was a six year marriage. At least you can say for me that she was incredibly beautiful model and very intelligent (retired at 25).

There were many incels at various times in history. Boat crews are incel for long periods of time. During the industrial revolution there was a mass migration of men into the city.

These men had no women and society was concerned that they all these single men would be a public hazard.

These men got out their uges with professional women and had the comaradarie of their friends.

We need to legalize prostitution.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 3]

Smitty the Great One wrote:

Now the only thing left is how to help at least 1 incel.

You want to find out a guy that is suffering because he puts vagina in a pedestal, and convince him that it is not worth it?

You can take the horse to the water, but you cannot for him to drink.

And if blue pill men are a pain in the ass, then desperate blue pill men are a major pain in the ass!

[Anonymous 12]

CLU aint Clueless.
same assesment here… being incel appears to be a particular kind of twisted hardcore blue pill malaise.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Much hypocrisy in the comment section of YouTube videos. ‘Alphas’ giving advice about working out, clothes etc.

If a video had been made about fat women who can’t get laid, the comment section would be littered with fat shaming and body positive bulls~~~.

Women can be fat and do nothing and think they’re entitled to the best. Meanwhile, we had better be in the gym every day, get $100 haircuts and s~~~ money.

Fuck this planet.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Smitty the Great One wrote:

Well, it seems the left and right have found a subject that they can BOTH agree on….”Incels, aren’t they just the worst? Let’s destroy them!”

I could have been one of these forlorn sad hurting individuals, but I found peace and I’m good now. But I would be lying if I said I didn’t know exactly how the incels feel. They are bitter and lonely, and everyone hates them. This is the mindframe that is keeping them in a paralyzed agony. They have half an answer thinking that have the whole answer, and this only leads them to more wallowing in their pain.

I want to help them, we as men should help them. As MGTOW I feel we are almost honor bound to clue these suffering guys in, and help them re-orient themselves so that they can find an end to their suffering.

They need help, not more criticism

QFT

Excellent. They need positive male influence and help, not ridicule.

Fuck this planet.

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

CLU aint Clueless.
same assesment here… being incel appears to be a particular kind of twisted hardcore blue pill malaise.

Yes, and I am not being critical of them. How could I? I was a totally into blue pill myself… By personal experience, I doubt we can convince blue pills to stop being blue pills.

Incels do have my sympathy, but I will not delude myself to think I can help them in any way.

A man in a relationship, that is willing to suffer, be humiliated, exploited, sexually starved, emotionally abused, just to keep that woman… How can you convince him that she is not worthy?

Now take another man that does not yet have any experience with women, everything about women and sex is still a ethereal fantasy in their mind… Now convince them that women are not worthy…

[GrumpyParticipant]

I get where Smitty is coming from, and I applaud his compassion.
I would first address the term “Incel” as it implies one being forced and/or having “No choice”, therefor no agency in personal “intimate” interactions due to external forces. Which is (IMHO) is complete and utter bulls~~~, and a personal cop out.
Granted there are some external forces in play, like hypergamy, and women’s predilection for acting/pretending/assuming that they are “unachievable” for most men, however that is readily dismantled when reality smacks them in the face.
If I choose to limit my desires to a 25 year old Jessica Alba, or some close facsimile, and that is the only type of woman I will “settle” for, that is not involuntary, that is choice. ERGO, exercising my agency.
One has to desire change, and act upon that desire personally, to achieve that change. Setting unrealistic goals, then refusing to accept failures (rejection) is part of life learning. Get used to it, or set more achievable realistic goals, and take steps to make it happen.
As for the celibate part.
Ironic how the gender that screams about being “objectified” is the one that attacks sex and sexuality first, yet uses it as both a weapon and a reward. Think about that for a minute or more.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

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