In a bad space right now. REALLY BAD!

[SmeeParticipant 228]

I believe you hit the nail on the head fairly early on in this discussion.

You used to be a real simp and did everything she said – and now you just ignore her.

You have devalued her in the worst way possible and she will extract revenge.

The collateral damage is irrelevant to her, if she damages the kids and causes you to lose it and do something stupid – it will all be okay, because it will all be your fault.
You caused this by ignoring her and making her feel worthless.

She has not changed – you are now only seeing the side of her she kept from you until she needed it.

I have been there, seen and done it.

You now have to prove you are a man.

Take responsibility for your mistake, you married her.

Do not allow her to control you, you now make decisions based on what is best for the important people in your life, you and your kids.

If this means on occasions she seems to be winning, then let it seem that way.
You make your plans for you and your kids, based on your situation and the legal requirements for your locale.

It will suck and it will hurt, there will be times when you feel you just can’t do it anymore.

Always remember – YOU ARE A MAN – and it can suck to be a man, but YOU ARE A MAN and you will deal with this s~~~ like a man.
You will put your kids first and foremost and deal with this so as to impact them as little as possible.

Major differences between men and women – women do not like to delay gratification and need to be the centre of attention.

You play the long game, you may not win the battles, but you will win the war.
You drop into the background as much as you can and keep as far away from her as possible. Only contact in reference to the kids, anything else and she’ll drag you back in so that she can be the centre of it all again.

I’ve had my Ex tell my boys after her second wedding that Pete is now your Dad and you must call him that, your old Dad is now just George.
I understood it for what it was, a desperate ‘Hail Mary’, trying to break a lifetimes bonding.

When my boys told me about it I just smiled and said to them, that if they really liked Pete and wanted to call him Dad – that was up to them, not me nor their Mother. All I wanted was for them to be happy.
I also pointed out that he could never really be Dad, but was in fact ‘Step-Dad’ in legal parlance.
I also told them that if they ever decided to not call me Dad, I would accept their decision, but it would break my heart.

I managed to smile all the way through that weekend and when I closed the door after saying good-bye as they went back to their Mums, I broke down and cried like a man.
Long, hard, rib-wracking sobs with tears and mewling included.
After a while, I put my Big Pants back on and got on with life.

My boys have never stopped calling me Dad – they see me whenever they want and Pete remained Pete.

There is an innate knowledge of right and wrong in people, your boys know this and they know who the c~~~ is in this circle.

You have to teach them something I found hard to do, probably the hardest thing I had to.
You are not in control here, regardless of the morality, you are not in control. However, you will tirelessly fight to maintain and leverage the best outcome you can for your kids. But the system and their Mother have all the power here and any bad outcomes that appear will be as a result of everyone putting her before them.
But giving up is not an option, so if ANYTHING is causing them concern, they can come to you and be assured you will fight tirelessly to leverage the best outcome for them.

This is being a MAN, and from everything I’ve read here you are a MAN.

Want to flush the anger – come on site and talk, watch, listen. Feel you are going to lose it, let those of us who’ve been through empathise and try to mentor.

I can offer no quick band-aid, but I offer my friendship one MAN to another, Brother in all things now, think twice act once.

Smee Again

[Anonymous 43]

my brother, in a bad space just doesn’t cover it. My c~~~ moved her Chad in three days after I was removed from my home by the police, and an 8 week no contact order was applied. I was absolutely wrecked.

Please do not go near these people, you do not need some sort of harassment bulls~~~ charge.
Keep the lawyer informed.
Document everything
keep breathing.
Your children still love you, stay in their lives as long as you can.

Come back here and rant all you want, no one will put you in the back of a police car.

Focus on yourself right now.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

How the f~~~ does she have custody of the children if no one works in that house? Can’t you go to court and ask for custody and to move back into your house for the benefit of the children since you’re the only one who works?

Damned if I would stand there while everyone lived in my house that I paid for I’d rather burn it to the ground.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

New members and young men:

If ever there was a cautionary tale against cohabitating or marrying a woman and having children with her this is it. Read this thread.

Women are useless and dangerous evil beings. Stay the f~~~ away from them!!

I do not possess the ability many of you men do on this site for restraint.
If I were in this situation I would make plans and you’d read about what I would do. Daddy government is the only thing standing between The natural order and righteousness and what we have now which is slavery for men. F~~~ the government f~~~ feminism f~~~, leftism. F~~~ the Anglo western plantation civilization as it is nothing but poison for men. Self governance self ownership And trying to be as free as possible with a minimalist footprint is the way forward for MGTOW.

Good luck buddy.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[Freeman_KParticipant 3524]

Oh man, that was painful to read.

Stay strong and don’t do something stupid you will regret for whole life.

The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I have only read your top 3 posts here…… so far. Have to bolt but will be back later to read everyone else too. Thank you for bringing this to the forums.

BIG difference between you and “the new guy” is you’re able to see this from the proper perspective – with red pill vision. Yeah it sucks big time, but the new guy is f~~~ing blind and should NOT be moving in after 3 weeks – or dating a mom.

Point Of No Return wrote:

My ex has told my sons that he is their new dad! Both my sons can’t stand this guy.

That’s good news.
BEST thing you can do is be the best Dad you can be, even in your absence, your kids are clearly on your side and “the new guy” can’t compete.

Point Of No Return wrote:

I’m having one hell of a time maintaining self control at this point.

I am only imagining what this might be like, but there’s something to be said about not lashing out. It’s actually less effort to be “the better man” here.

Just a thought . . .

In another context, when you’re a “good man” and treat women well, it doesn’t seem to pay at first, but it does down the road. You want to be able to live with yourself, so that’s why “the nice guy” tends to treat women better than they deserve . . . but competing with other men isn’t really necessary because she WILL remember you.

When other guys (after the “nice guy”) are douchebags, you don’t need to be there or compete with them.

Point Of No Return wrote:

My ex has told my sons that he is their new dad! Both my sons can’t stand this guy.

She might SAY “he’s your new dad”, but HE CAN’T COMPETE. The kids already can’t stand him, so in a way, you already “win” by default without being present and have an upper hand.

Point Of No Return wrote:

I’m having one hell of a time maintaining self control at this point. For you guys that have had something similar happen to you, it only all I can do from keeping myself from doing something irreversible.

DON’T. You don’t really need to. If you can muster it, forget about her and “him” , and think of the kids only.

Point Of No Return wrote:

It takes all the inner strength I can muster not to connect with that f~~~er or tell my ex a s~~~load of nasty stuff by email.

You’re already the better man to your kids. Isn’t that most important? Most of what she is doing here is just to get to you. How awesome would it be you could remain detached by what she is doing here and leave her guessing?

The new guy is already a disaster. Forget him.

But if you can, perhaps leave her wondering if you’re affected by this. “Why doesn’t this bother him? Why isn’t he lashing out?”

It all looks like a deliberate staged manipulation to move the guy in ASAP and get on your nerves – with deliberate intent for you to lash out any way she can. And then she’s really got you doing crazy s~~~, raging on, filling her mailbox with hateful s~~~ to use against you. etc.

Can’t give her the satisfaction. Don’t arm her with anything.

NEVER do what your enemy wants you to do.
NEVER do what your enemy expects you to do.
NEVER do what your enemy hopes you will do.

Figure out what that is, and don’t do it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BeachBumParticipant 813]

Hey,

If you want to talk about this, feel free to join us on Zoom.

We’re talking about this on Zoom and you’re getting a private message for the Zoom link from Pistol Pete…

Come join us today…

BB

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Just tried to send the Zoom link and for some reason my messaging is disabled.

[BeachBumParticipant 813]

Math sent you the Zoom link since Pistol Pete was having trouble

[AttonParticipant]

Pursue any and every legal option and do not stop. Use no illegal, violent or deadly force do it for your sons.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

Here’s some inspiration from Terrance Popp on ‘The Long Game’

My son comes around and sometimes he calls me by my first name (took a while to get him back to sometimes because he’s so young) and so I told him to call me by first name at his Mum’s (so he doesn’t get abused) and call me Dad when he’s with me.

And like Keymaster said, kids know the difference between their real father and the step-Dad ‘You can’t tell me what to do! You’re not my real Father!’

When you feel angry call yourself ‘Neon’ and be the inert gas your ex doesn’t want you to be. As you will see in the video I linked it all pays off in the end.

PS. If you can spare just 10 minutes a day to do some cardio exercise eg half-burpees or mountain runners exercises, do it, it makes you feel so much better and it will be the biggest f~~~ you to your ex too.

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[No CountryParticipant 759]

Jesus Christ Man! This is horrible.

[HermitParticipant]

Point Of No Return wrote:

My ex has told my sons that he is their new dad! Both my sons can’t stand this guy.

I cannot imagine your frustration. I can only relate to a very small fraction of your situation. Very soon after I moved out of the house, my x latched onto another man who would come around the house a lot and fix stuff and started eating a lot of meals there. He started telling my 17 year old son what to do and when my son told me this, it p~~~ed me off. I told him to tell the guy to f~~~ off which was probably not good advice, but my son wouldn’t have done that anyway. One time I was talking to my son on the phone and I heard the guy tell him to hurry up and get to the table for supper. That was a sock in my gut.

My x was so stupid that she wanted me to meet her new man! I of course flat out refused, but when I went over to the house to see my son, she went ahead and introduced me to this guy. He stuck out his hand and all I said was, “You’ll forgive me if I don’t shake hands.” (Pulled that Doc Holiday line from the movie Tombstone.) The x got p~~~ed and told me I was rude. I said, “What did you expect? I told you I had no interest in meeting him.” What a stupid bitch. When my son heard what had happened, he busted up laughing.

I know you’re going through some real s~~~ and I wish I could say something to help you, but I don’t have those words. Just hope my little story can maybe amuse you and help take your mind off your problems for a brief moment.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Thanks for the Zoom invite, I missed it, maybe next time! I’ve been quite wrapped up onto myself with all this. Thanks to all of you that posted comments. I really appreciate it. Good advice y’all. I’ve held back so far. I’ve given my ex and her Chad nothing so far. It’s between my ex and I, so I really should not even ignore Chad, I should just simply delete him from the equation; gone. As for my ex, I still have business with her. She stays in the equation, the only thing though is that I will multiply her by a big fat zero. That gives a zero. And I do agree with the idea that my multiplying her by zero, which means ignoring her completely outside of legally required and very officious communication, is sending her a strong message that I intend to challenge any request she could have or would have in the future. Either by ignoring it, or answering officiously to my advantage. My older son has been taking it on the chin, he is learning from a young age. He’s up to 16 weeks of being grounded for confronting his mom, very calmly as he explained to me, about this whole nonsense. She accused me of using him as a messenger (which we know the court frowns upon), but what she will realise is that it’s of my son’s own accord that he let’s her know what it is he disagrees with. He was supposed to contact me (there’s no order against this btw) but hasn’t so far. We are having to come up with way of communicating that are stealthy because my ex has taken away his phone, his access to the computer, etc. I told him to call me on a pay phone, but if she ordered him to stay in the house he’ll have been blocked from that too. I told him I will buy a phone that I will not give to him but LEND to him so that if she takes it away she would be possessing property that she has no right to possess. I see them twice a week and I will hopefully find that things are calm. I’m trusting that if he is not contacting me it’s because he’s smart enough to know that at this point us dudes all have to lay low. We are hoping they will f~~~ themselves up. I’m also hoping Chad will get annoyed enough with his Save-A-Hoe situation that he’ll start protesting in slight ways with my ex which will irritate her and it will hopefully resonate increasingly and cause much tension between them two at a point where, I don’t know, say, like when he’s a a few beers too many or something, and then see what happens. He’s been introduced to Red Pill concepts appropriate for his age. This is a positive aspect of what we are all a part of, we are all part of not wanting to put up with gynocentric s~~~ no more. Walk away from it. My son appreciated the thought that I encountered here for the first time, one I saw in a comment posted by KM. One chance, per chick, per lifetime. When a girl interested in seeing my son (nothing serious) canceled and backtracked about how she felt about him. He told her he was no longer interested anyhow. That’s when I told him the one chance thing. I feel so glad to have stepped into the red pill realm and embraced it, as tough as it is, it will allow me to better guide my son in affairs related to his interactions with women in the future. I told him that I don’t want to impede his exploration but that there is one thing I will not tolerate, and that is MARRIAGE! He said it was o.k. I said “Son, if you get married, I ain’t going to be there when you kiss the bride”, he said it was o.k. — I had a rough night yesterday dealing with my inner turmoil, but I kept to the plan, and gave her nothing. The No Contact Method is essential. Any newly red pilled guys reading this. It is your weapon of choice. NO CONTACT! I take this very seriously and force myself to log in detail any contact that I do have, with the date, the reason, the level of necessity etc, this may seem exaggerated but it helps me think twice before email the ex. I try to keep my score as high as possible (it’s an average over the last year of contatcs). I aim for not having more contact than one legally necessary contact per 2 weeks. I have kids so that’s why it’s relative a low score compared to guys trying to stay no contact with no kids involved. Any how this is my little trick. I’ll keep you guys posted. But I’m sure many of you guys have sons that you are immensely proud of because they are dealing with such things, things that are challenging to their little hearts (in an emotional sense). Because in the end, in a way, no matter…, it’s still their mom and their dad, and their sense of needing to maintain self-respect in front of Chad assholes hell-bent on getting involved in a family just to have their share of pathetic validation. I’ll try to keep you guys posted. Thanks again for being here and for being here for other guys just like me reading these forums.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[HermitParticipant]

OH man….. This just brought back some horrible memories. I was my x’s 4th husband and she had two kids by two other husbands. Then, here I come and marry her and was living with them in their house and I started acting like their father. S~~~! How stupid was I for marrying a woman with 2 kids?! Then how stupid was I to start telling them what they can and can’t do?

F~~~ I’m glad all that s~~~ is behind me! I was so ignorant when I was young. I’m surprised her sons still like me. Guess I wasn’t that bad to them.

Point Of No Return, I really do hope the best for you in this messed up s~~~. I’ve been on both sides of it and both sides are bad. What a red pill I just swallowed.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[OldBillParticipant]

Just keep posting to us, Point of No Return. Keep venting here, let it all hang out here, say what you need to say here.

We’re all reading and we all want to keep reading to everything you need to post.

Just keep posting. Keep us in the loop and, hopefully, we can offer some advice that will help in some small way.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Hermit wrote:

OH man….. This just brought back some horrible memories. I was my x’s 4th husband and she had two kids by two other husbands. Then, here I come and marry her and was living with them in their house and I started acting like their father. S~~~! How stupid was I for marrying a woman with 2 kids?! Then how stupid was I to start telling them what they can and can’t do?

F~~~ I’m glad all that s~~~ is behind me! I was so ignorant when I was young. I’m surprised her sons still like me. Guess I wasn’t that bad to them.

Point Of No Return, I really do hope the best for you in this messed up s~~~. I’ve been on both sides of it and both sides are bad. What a red pill I just swallowed.

Thanks for sharing, it’s not easy to admit your questionable ways of the past, for sure. I’m glad it’s all behind you too now Hermit.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

OldBill wrote:

Just keep posting to us, Point of No Return. Keep venting here, let it all hang out here, say what you need to say here.

We’re all reading and we all want to keep reading to everything you need to post.

Just keep posting. Keep us in the loop and, hopefully, we can offer some advice that will help in some small way.

I have too much pent up inside of me OldBill. It’s like when there’s a blockage because everything is trying to escape at once and it can’t. I’m going to try and vent here as much as possible because I know this is the right place. But somehow I feel like I’m walking around with ‘ticking time bomb’ written all over my angry face. I try to hold it in, try to keep a poker face, maybe I succeed at times, but to be honest such anger must be detectable by some people. This is not me, I don’t like going around being angry at everything. Like there are moments when I feel a surge of hate just at the sight of a pink muffin-top strolling around like she’s dominating the world. It’s an illusion. I’m playing games with myself when that happens. First off, many of these little bitches are too young to even realise the s~~~ and pain and anger that gynocentrism, biased family court, etc. has caused, they don’t fully grasp it all, they are too young. I try to tell myself that they are just idiots playing a fashion game, and with little effort are able to work guys like me into a state that should be overcome with manly will power. I feel stupid at times, but on the other hand I think I get upset because they play at it like it’s a game and just a tease. It’s like going around with an extremely offensive symbol of some kind on your t-shirt and not even knowing what’s behind that symbol, all the history behind it. Like an idiot wearing a provocative symbol just to get a reaction. No way! Control! I know there is so much I shoulod just let slip, ignore, do as if, keep tucked into my gut… But, this, this betrayal, not of the c~~~, big whoopty s~~~, the c~~~, it’s more the sons! How in God’s name can a woman do this? Now that must be insanity right there! There is no God damned way a rational person doesn’t see the absurdity of air-dropping a dude into a situation like the one my sons now find themselves. Something in her little hamster head has flicked the mega switch on and sent a full surge to her gina tingles brain centre. From there, she’s using her slut machine capabilities to over ride common sense, and motherly concern for her kids, and even the general perception that some decent people must have about what is going on. More later…

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[OldBillParticipant]

Point Of No Return wrote:

More later…

I’m glad to read that. Keep venting here where it’s safe and your brothers have your back.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

I’m not wanting to be selfish, but it’s just that I’m not in the right frame of mind to be able to contribute to other threads right now. It’s my intention but I’m still too wrapped up in my thing. I’m just going to keep posting in this thread for some time until I have let enough out first.

I can’t bear the thought that a damned stranger from my persepective is there, with my sons, seeing them, telling them stuff, influencing them just by his presence. I don’t mean to be overly sensitive, but this is just how I feel. Children are a PRIVATE affair! It’s a family matter, private. And there, some save-a-hoe stranger from the park as far as I’m concerned is right there! Seriously, if I’m in the park, and a stranger make an unwarranted negative comment to my kid while I’m around, I won’t take that lightly, o.k. fine. But here, some jerk, as foreign to me as a f~~~ off out of a s~~~ pile is right there making lasting impressions on both my sons, even my 7 year old… Sitting there in front of a computer drinking a beer that my ex-c~~~ brought him, trying to work some pathetic code or something and swearing at the screen when it doesn’t go his way, and my son has to listen to that s~~~! All because the c~~~ has gone crazy in her head and but the gina-tingles engine into turbo mode. Somewhere, she must think she is getting back at me, I could be wrong but, somehow, even if it’s as a consequence of another aim, she must know that MY BLOOD BOILS constantly when I think of the situation. I don’t believe in tit for tat karma, but I do believe that there are demons that we carry with us and that they help us achieve what we are meant to achieve whether it bring evil or good to someone else. If it’s a no-go because our demon can’t hack it then the demon can’t help and we are on our own. But as soon as there’s an opening and the demon we have inside of us (and I meant demon in the ancient sense as in more related to a talent than an evil force) see it, the demon let’s us know that it can help us achieve our goal with a ‘little extra help’. When this happens, this is what some of us perceive us things happening because they were meant to. But you have to lead, only your soul can lead, the demon can’t do nothing without your soul in control. Anyhow I drifted way off concrete stuff, but I needed to express something that came to my mind and is related to what it is we call the substance of will power etc. This is a test, I must not fail it, I don’t know how long it will last, but my feeling is that it can’t go on too long, that it’s not meant to go on too long… this I think because my sons are also affected and there are other things that must be taken care of aside from all this. I have my new job I hope I can keep. Of course I will try to focus and work hard and stay focused, but there will be moments when I will think of my sons and that jerk. This is all allowed and o.k. because the setup in law says the mother when she has full custody can do what the hell she wants. There’s no law that could forbid someone from seeing someone in their home, right? So in comes the captain save-a-hoe, as if it’s natural. IT’S A DAMNED OUTRAGE! *sigh* I gotta go try and calm down now. Think of the good things… I have my own place alone (even though it’s shoebox size), it gives me peace, like nothing else (relatively quiet building). The ex c~~~ will now be Capt’n save-a-hoe’s problem very soon… you see I ignore her quite nicely, I’ve been managing well in that sense. Plus, I’ve seen my first paycheque and aside from CS due (which I can’t escape from) and debt that I will have to manage, I can FINALLY control my finances! What a relief! Also, no female around, so my body no longer absorbs estrogen and other related female molecules because of proximity. This is good because it’s known to help increase testosterone, and help the man’s body rebalance itself chemically into an optimal setup,(nature does this to allow the male to be bold and take care of himself with vigour as there is no more female around to help with anything)… So confidence can go up. I’ve managed to keep up good habits and all, and it’s essential for an MGHOW to do this. I tell my sons when I see them: “Practice discipline, if anything, it’s most important. It’s not about the marks, it’s about practising discipline, son, the marks will follow from that.”

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

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