I'm trapped in this gynocentric hell hole and can't wait to get out

[Charles BSpectator 251]

All my life I’ve lived with my parents. Next year, I’m turning 26 and hope to be moved out of my parents’ place by the end of this year. I’m a recent graduate in computer science and I never did an intern or got a job while I was in college because my parents nagged me about “you should focus on your studies instead.” While I agree with them that did benefit me in the short run, in the long run, that f~~~ed with my career and I’m having a hard time getting any type of job. It also doesn’t help that I look like I’m 14 years old.

I’m constantly searching for jobs 8 hours each weekday. And even with a degree like mine, which is highly sought after, it’s still very hard to find a job in this economy. Especially for people who look really young like me, because employers tend to not take younger people seriously.

And while I love my family, living with them is a complete pain in the ass. I feel like a child and emasculated constantly because I’m dependent upon my parents to give me money or take me to places (I have no car.) This makes me feel like I’m begging them for money even though me and them know I’m not.

I also have to deal with the fact whenever I’m out some place, I have to deal with letting them know when and where I’ll be going and when I’ll be back. My parents, especially my mom, are overprotected dickweeds most of the time. While I understand that they just want me to be safe, it’s a complete pain in the ass to have to deal with.

My parents are in their 60s and my mom is on SSI/disability. She has really bad health as well. Because of this, I try not to cause any drama, fights, or criticize her. This is really hard on me though. Whenever a stupid fight occurs between us, (which is very rarely now a days) she often times lashes out and insults me constantly. When I point this out to her, she just says she doesn’t remember doing that. I think this is complete bulls~~~ because after learning about this website, I’ve come to know women lie constantly in order to make themselves look like the better person.

However, I tend to just ignore it most of the time.

I’m currently trying to get a job as soon as I can though. I don’t know how much more I can take living with my parents. It just gets to be a constant pain to deal with.

While I didn’t mind living with my parents’ in my teen years, living with them in my mid twenties is a complete pain in the ass.

Sometimes I just wish I could tell them to f~~~ off, but since I’m living in their place, I try not to. However, it gets extremely unbearable to deal with some days. The thing that bugs me the most about living with my parents is that on certain days, they or my other relatives constantly nag me about getting into long term relations~~~s. When I tell them why I won’t, such as pointing out gold diggers, they just bring up “NAWALT” every f~~~ing time.

It also doesn’t help at all that I have to listen to them fight almost every other day. They argue about the most stupid s~~~ imaginable. And seeing my dad be controlled by my mom is just an unbearable experience. He’s a big f~~~ing mangina. If she doesn’t have her way, she starts fighting and nagging to everyone else in the house. My dad is too pussy-whipped to even say no to her or anyone else.

My mom even gives him an “allowance” like most Japanese women do with their husbands.

I’m also sure one of the biggest reasons my dad got married is because he wants to impress his older family members. My dad’s side of the family is big on marriage in general especially with the older men.

I’ve been taking red pills ever since I was around 12 years old. I just never fully realized the gynocentric bulls~~~ until I found this website. Since I was a kid, I’ve always been raised with the idea in mind to “get a wife,” “get a family,” “pay for dates,” “never hit a woman even if she hits you first,” “always protect women,” etc. And any time I questioned those teachings by asking my parents why should I do those things, they just say s~~~ like “because it’s old school, that’s what a gentlemen is supposed to do.”

I’ve always questioned this type of thinking. Ever since I could remember, almost everyone in my family was in a long term relations~~~. I’ve observed how they lived and thought to myself “who the f~~~ would this in their lives 24/7?” I never wanted to have kids nor get married. I also didn’t ever want to share half/all of my s~~~ with someone else just because I was f~~~ing them. I just thought it was a complete waste of time.

However, since I was about 17/18 years old, I was a complete white knight. The thing that made me take the red pill was seeing all the gynocentric bulls~~~ on TV in news and other media. They painted men to be fat slobs. They painted dads to be lazy f~~~s that never did anything around the house. They dismissed men’s issues outright; and if they even talked about men’s issues for more than 5 minutes, they would still paint women as victims and men as oppressors. They painted single men as losers. This p~~~ed me off to no end.

This, along with a lot of research on feminism and traditionalism, made me take the red pill and fully realize the gynocentric nature of the world. And the things I experienced growing up all just clicked after quite a few weeks of reading the posts on this forum as well as watching and listening to media saved on this website.

I know once I get my own place, I’m never going to live with anyone ever again. I love my solitude, my peace, and my quite. I love being able to do what I want when I want without having to notify anyone before hand. I know I’ll never get married nor have kids. And as far as sex goes, I just plan on getting a vasectomy before I ever do. It’s not like I’ll be pursing sex like a PUA, but just in case I ever do end up having sex, I’ll be safer and they’ll be less risk involved. But, at this point in my life, I’d rather just use porn for the most part.

I can tell you it was a f~~~ing bitch not being able to have sex during my teen years. I had a really big sex drive. But, since I was living with my parents even back then, I didn’t want to risk getting a girl pregnant and me having to worry about them paying for the damn child because I know they would have. So with just using porn and my willpower alone, I forced myself not to date or f~~~ anyone.

This website makes me extremely happy that I’ve avoided all the pitfalls of relations~~~s at a very young age by reading about the past mistakes of other MGTOW members. I’m extremely honored to be a member here because it helps me better myself, avoid the dangers of gynocentric bulls~~~, and learn from other members. It’s a great resource for men of all ages.

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

Sounds like a very f~~~ed up situation indeed. Seems you already know what to do:

1. Get your own place.
2. Get a job.

Since you are already working on that I would advice you to never start an argument with blue-pill people (including your parents). Swallow your pride and avoid any argument. You are dependent on them for now, so its in your best interest to play it cool and pretend you didn’t hear them. Act like a mangina, agree on marriage bla bla. Let them think you are cool with the whole blue-pill world. Perhaps this will make it somewhat easier. I act the same at my workplace. I am totally stealth about MGTOW.

What kind of niche are you willing to work in IT? I know IT Security is booming right now. Development / coding is also sought after bigtime. While you are at home doing nothing, read some books about the field you want to grow into. Read up on the latest things in that niche. Make sure you are well dressed, taken care of and know everything about the job if you are invited over for an interview.

PS: If you want to look older, dress older and perhaps grow somewhat of a beard. This will add about 2-3 years to your age in general. It could also boost your manliness.

Best of luck.

Also: if you are fed up being at home, go out and take run or work-out. I bought a mountainbike and took long rides when I didn’t want to be at my parents house. Its like meditation and helps you think.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hello Charles. Thanks to Skankspanker for stepping in so quickly, and I’ll elaborate with thoughts I have later too. For now, thanks for your kind message to the site last night and welcome to MGTOW and the Forums. More later….

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 25]

Welcome. Good luck with the job search. Hope you get something soon and achieve your goal.

There’s a good book called ‘great answers to tough interview questions’, well worth a read in preparing for interviews.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@The Skank Spanker

I definitely try to blend in as a blue piller for the most part. And whenever s~~~ like men’s and women’s issues come up, I tend to just ignore it. If they ask me about something, such as marriage, I usually just end up saying s~~~ like “I may or may not end up getting married, but for right now, I just want to focus on my career.” That shuts them up sometimes.

I’m also sure all women can in a sense, sense that you’re MGTOW if you give off a “no f~~~s given vibe.” So I try to act like a mangina as much as possible while I’m still at my parents’ place.

As for IT, I’m currently working towards getting a job in programming. Right now, I’m learning Java so that I can end up writing Android apps. Then when I actually end up finalizing my first few apps, I plan on posting them on Github to show employers my code and experience.

I’ve never thought of growing a beard or anything. I’ll try and start doing that as well. At least that way, it’ll make me seem a little bit older. I’m also starting to work out more and gain more muscle.

And I do have a mountain bike and tend to ride it about 1 hour or so a day. It helps relieve all the stress that’s caused by me living with my parents.

@keymaster

Thanks for that Keymaster. I’ll be looking forward to your advice as well.

@machiavelli

Thanks, I’ll look up the book. Right now, I’m getting plenty of job interviews. It’s just that they never call me back; and if they do, they end up telling me “they need someone with more experience.”

I’ll just be glad once I do finally achieve my goals.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Dude go to places where there are employers get together. Tom Leykis talks about this. If you don’t go out there and talk to people it will be harder to get a job. Maybe a local linux group might have some people who can you refer to.
Do you have any of your work available? You should regular listen to Tom Leyis broadcast he gives really good ideas.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Charles BSpectator 251]

Crazy Canuck wrote:

Dude go to places where there are employers get together. Tom Leykis talks about this. If you don’t go out there and talk to people it will be harder to get a job. Maybe a local linux group might have some people who can you refer to.
Do you have any of your work available? You should regular listen to Tom Leyis broadcast he gives really good ideas.

I listen to Tom Leykis on and off. I didn’t hear much of his videos on careers however.

I haven’t been to a lot of Linux groups because I’m not sure where to find them. I live in Las Vegas and it’s pretty hard to find groups such as that out here.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

I’m just constantly trying to find a job 8 hours a day. Hopefully by the end of this year I’ll have found one. Even if it’s just getting a min wage job full time.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

welcome pal!
i’m glad you found the path to freedom
enjoy the website and fourms

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Welcome, brother!

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Mister Man SmithParticipant 285]

Hey Charles, my advise is:

“Silence is golden”

I know what it’s like to have a nagging mom, but if you don’t talk back (even if you’re right) she’ll stop nagging you quicker, and remember, you’ll move away sooner or later then it’s just bliss.

If you can master the ability to look at someone straight in the face and don’t listen to one word they’re saying, you can make living in your parents house more bearable and a money saver, specially good if you only manage to land a part time job, remember that’s better than nothing.

As for having no car, consider getting a bike, they’re much cheaper to keep and maintain and at least you have some wheels to go around.

Lastly you should REALLY think about not getting that vasectomy, I’ve heard cases of guys that can’t even walk for a week or two, these are your nuts you’re talking about.
A condom works, when they say it’s only 98% effective, they mean if a woman gets it they can use it to inseminate themselves, THAT’S what you have to be careful about, flush the thing down the toilet always.
Not only that the “male-pill” has been tested and tried for years, it works, the only reason its not on the market yet is because of women pushing against it, but it will come soon, hopefully.

Get a load of this:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/the-real-reasons-we-do-not-have-a-male-birth-control-pill/

mistermansmithmgtow.blogspot.com

[Anonymous 42]

Wassa matta Charles? You don’t want to pick up the shackles of marriage only to be tied to a ballast stone and thrown overboard? What? You can’t hold your breath for 18 years? Live under crushing pressures equivalent to the Marianas Trench? Not for you?

ME NEITHER! Welcome to MGTOW!

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@Mister Man Smith

Thanks for the advice and I’ll do my best to keep quite while I’m still living with my parents. Hopefully sooner this year, I’ll have some sort of job where I could potentially save up for an RV if anything and move out.

I do have a mountain bike also so that helps some.

And for the vasectomy, I haven’t thought of that. I’ll look into it more before I decide anything. if anything, I’ll just end up doubling on the condoms while I have sex.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

Anonymous wrote:

Wassa matta Charles? You don’t want to pick up the shackles of marriage only to be tied to a ballast stone and thrown overboard? What? You can’t hold your breath for 18 years? Live under crushing pressures equivalent to the Marianas Trench? Not for you?

ME NEITHER! Welcome to MGTOW!

Nope I couldn’t handle any of that. That would be even more of a hellish position than I’m in right now. At least when I move out on my own, my parents can’t take half of everything I own and make me give them money for 18 more years! Haha.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@code Bunker (AKA “Stealthy Mgtow”)

Thanks for the great advice Code. I’ll also look more into databases as well.I have zero skills in that area so I’ll definitely end up reading a lot of books on that subject.

I’m also looking forward to working in this field. It’s a great one to be in if only because it pays great and there’s hardly any women in it at all. This is a great thing for me anyway, because I grew up mostly around women while my dad was away. They’re really annoying to deal with if you have to live with them 24/7.

I’ve never thought about moving through city for city for a job, but it seems like a great idea. What I want to be able to do at least for a few years of my life is get a RV van to live in. That way if I did needed move from place to place, all I’d need to do is drive over there. No moving my s~~~ required.

I’ve also killed my TV for the most part. Every now and then I would turn it on for background noise, but even that’s becoming a pain in the ass to listen to.

As far as my parents go, I don’t look down on them. It’s just unbearable having to live with them in my mid twenties. Seeing them at their best and their worse is really f~~~ed up.

And that sounds like a bitch. I hope you get out of your divorce relatively unscathed. I’ve heard about really horrible divorce stories and most never end well for men.

As for the “needing to feel loved” bit, I don’t feel that need anymore. If anything, I just have a high sex drive and have an urge to pump and dump women from time to time.

I also don’t hate women, at least, not anymore anyway. I do hate living with them though.

Again, thanks for the great advice. It’s helped a great deal and I definitely plan on looking into getting into that type of work.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Charles B wrote:

“you should focus on your studies instead.”

Wanted to reply earlier but had to bolt. While parents will look out for your best interests , sometimes this kind of advice can set you on a path of eternal hamster-wheeling as you pointed out.

Study….
Think it will get you work…..
Study more…..
No time to work….
= perpetual student.

Charles B wrote:

While I understand that they just want me to be safe, it’s a complete pain in the ass to have to deal with.

“Being safe” is not a recipe for greatness. They mean well, but it can hold you back. Had parents just like that. Pushing me with school, school, school, school….. but I worked 2 and 3 jobs instead. They thought it was “the right thing to do” but I knew in my gut that it wasn’t.

Start working instead – even if not in your field of choice. Be a waiter, pump coffee, pump gas, whatever. Pull double shifts. Train yourself on the side.

A controlled education is not always the best thing. In fact, I personally can’t stand the idea.

A guy I worked with had a regular s~~~ty job as a waiter. Trained himself in 3D art and animation. Within 3 years (at 31) he was working for Lucasfilm® at Skywalker Ranch. No bulls~~~. Fully self-taught in various software packages. He stayed up until 5 AM creating stuff, then built a website to showcase it , and sent his work out to everyone. Got the job with no formal / controlled education.

He was 2 years older than you when he started.

I hope you can draw some inspiration from that.
And we all wish you every success.

Charles B wrote:

I’m extremely honored to be a member here because it helps me better myself, avoid the dangers of gynocentric bulls~~~, and learn from other members. It’s a great resource for men of all ages.

It’s a pleasure to have you here too, Charles.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@keymaster

I was raised to think college was the best thing ever for your career. Now, I’m still looking for a job after a year of having graduated. it sucks major ass. I only hope to be out of my parents’ place by next year.

As far as work goes, I’m looking for anything I can do as of right now. I do have some experience working as a Kitchen Steward also so that helps.

And I know personally I’m never going back to college again. I hated the whole experience from day 1. Almost none of my teachers would actually teach me. They would just send me off to do my own research. I thought to myself after I graduated, that “why spend all that time doing your own research if no one’s actually going to teach me to begin with?” I’m grateful I have a degree, but I still see my time in college as being a wasted experience.

And reading that story about your friend helps a lot. I barely have any “real world” experience with programming and only got the basics of a lot of subjects in computer science while I was getting my degree. I didn’t go to one of those official state colleges I just went to a private one that was cheaper.

Now, I don’t see the point in going to college anymore unless your job is paying for it or if you’re in a specialized field such as medicine.

Thanks for the advice also. It was very helpful and I definitely plan on getting a job first before I start studying again – even if it’s self studying.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings Charles B,

Your introduction is appreciated and has generated some outstanding reply’s with good advice.

The best MGTOWs I know personally, lived with their parents for a long time. My mentor is still living in the home his father built. He is the most lucid, intelligent, well adjusted, and happy man I know. He was with each of his parents when they died in their home with their beloved son by their side. He saved a lot of money and was planning to get his own place and there was even a marriage planned. But these plans fell through and he was able to enjoy the best things in life in spite of the stigma of living with his folks.

You may not appreciate how wonderful it is for your parents to have you with them in their home. You actually keep them feeling young and alive in spite of any complaints you may perceive from them. Society compels them to push you out of the nest, but the loss of your company will hurt them more than they realize.

I’m from your parents’ generation. And no matter how much I grumble about the faults of young people in their twenties, working with my students is the best part of my day. The promise of facing new challenges with bright young people makes me jump out of bed in the morning.

Now it may seem like no one appreciates you because of your youth, but that perception is a self-defeating illusion. The opposite is the truth. You are needed. Just look at all of the fabulous responses and advice you got here at MGTOW.

Even though this is a long way down the road for your parents, retirement homes and nursing homes are depressing indeed. Everyone there is just waiting to die.

As far as temporary part time jobs are concerned, I really like Costco. There is a fun vibe in every store that I have been to as I travel. All of the employees seem to be happy and most of the customers are in a good mood. Costco is the opposite Walmart.

A remarkable side job was done by one of the most interesting men I studied with. He was a solid looking Japanese man living in Hawaii. He was built like a “fireplug” and worked as a heavy equipment operator on construction sites. Once in a while someone would dig up an old burial ground and then terrible equipment failure would occur afterwards to cause the construction work to stop. This Japanese man was also a Reiki Master who would be called into these troublesome work sites. After his spiritual work was completed, the accidents stopped occurring and everyone resumed construction.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@The Manipulated Man

Thanks for the advice. And yeah, I know my parents would rather me stay with them until they die. If anything, once I save up enough for a down payment for a house, they can live there until they die.

I honestly don’t mind living with them, but since I’m dependent upon them with everything I do right now, it just makes it unbearable to live with them. I knew if I had my own job and they were living in my place, while I was paying the bills, I wouldn’t even need to listen to their bulls~~~ if I didn’t want to. I only do so out of respect because I’m dependent upon them right now.

Plus, I also don’t ever want my parents go to retirement homes or nursing homes. I know those places can get really f~~~ing depressing.

I also hope to get a job at some place like Costco. Hell, I’d even work at Walmart for free even if it were to just gain some job experience.

[AttonParticipant]

Charles B wrote:

I also hope to get a job at some place like Costco. Hell, I’d even work at Walmart for free even if it were to just gain some job experience.

That is a little bit of a injustice considering your past investment.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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