I'm coming to the conclusion that my mom is EVIL. I'm so sad. Help?

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  • #37573
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    BrainPilot
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    Your mom is not evil, but she is a very long way from emotionally healthy. And her emotional pathology is enormously destructive to anyone in a relationship with her. You do not owe her a relationship, and you are not required to prove that she is evil, or even unhealthy, in order to withdraw. You need only to realize that a relationship with her, on her terms, is unhealthy FOR YOU, and then to put your emotional health above her sick preferences. She is not going to become any healthier regardless of what decision you make for yourself, so it’s no loss to save yourself.

    But it will not be easy. She will make it as difficult for you as she possibly can, and she sounds very skilled and highly motivated. But she cannot make it impossible for you. Though she can, and certainly will, use every form of manipulation she can devise to push you to make a decision she likes, and make your life difficult if you don’t, she cannot take your decision from you.

    When I was in this situation, I did not have the choice to go back. I was already in medical school with a biology undergraduate degree that would be essentially worthless without the medical degree. I had a strong brain, but it could not carry the academic burden of medical school and the emotional burden of my mother and her mental pathology at the same time. Something had to give, and it was not going to be medical school.

    Since I still depended on parents financially, she thought I was trapped. I knew she could manipulate my dad because he had to live with her. I’m not a trained counselor either, but I was speaking to one at the time who advised me that she probably was not going to give up easily, and that I should expect other members of the family to be recruited, including my dad. When he approached me about it, I was expecting it. I didn’t let the conversation get to the point of financial threats. I explained to him that the Navy recruiter had already offered to pay the remainder of the medical school tuition, and to arrange for a name change and a station in a foreign country so that it would impossible for any of my family to find me again. If she was going to recruit him to use money to force me into a relationship with her, that was going to be my next move.

    I was in a corner. I meant it. He knew it. My dad was not a confrontational guy, especially with my mother. But on that day, he went home and told her that her relationship with me was over, and that if she didn’t see a counselor herself, her relationship with him wasn’t going to survive long either.

    She spent years in counseling and is not as nuts and abusive as she once was. I spent a few years in medical school and am a doctor now. We spent many years having zero contact, and I similarly abandoned other members of the family that she recruited. I still have no contact with many of them to this day.

    Today, she has some contact with me, but it’s at a distance, and it is respectful because she understands, finally, that a respectful relationship on my terms is preferable to none at all… but none at all is ALWAYS an option for me.

    I believe that you have no chance of getting to a better place with your mother until you can successfully deliver that message to her. But sadly, you’ll have to mean it, which means you may put it off until she corners you, and at that point, you won’t be trying to fix it anymore. You’ll just be trying to end it. She won’t believe it until she sees it end. Treat this relationship as the toxic, irreparable train wreck that it is and abandon it. It’s over. While she’s spending the months and years it will take for her to realize it’s over, you can see a professional counselor to help identify and repair the damage already done.

    Someday, WAY down the road, there might be possibility for some contact that is not toxic to you. Until she can contact you without damaging you, then you should help her to protect you from that damage by not having contact. Good mothers do whatever they need to do to protect their children.

    Help her to be one by stopping the contact that damages you.

    Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

    #37594
    Fang
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    @RedToBlue: I surmised that you would hold a low opinion of “head people” so that’s why I offered my opinions anyway.

    And I’m 100% with you on your closing sigh where you decry the fact that love is bogus bulls~~~. I never really was a Mangina as I’ve always been disinclined to take a lot of s~~~. But my White Knighthood reached Olympian heights! I was playing poker in Valhalla with Odin and the boys. Buddy, I was the classic romantic back when I believed that a female could truly love a man. A Romantic…Renaissance Man…my Whiteknightingness was squirting out of every body orifice and mucus membrane. I even taught myself French. Roses, chocolates, nauseating chick flicks, Roderer Cristal or Dom Perignon, jewelry, chocolate truffles that I made myself, gourmet picnics including caviar and smoked salmon, bresaola, prosciutto, and speck…finished off with zabaione, chocolate mousse, sabayon, or Panna cotta. When I finally figured out it was all an illusion and I’d been wasting my time and money I stayed drunk a solid week. Thank you Mexico for Patron! My fall from Olympus was like a love bug splattering on a car grille. Don’t misunderstand, I usually got sex out of it but I wasn’t looking for sex. I was looking for a woman (what you guys call a unicorn) and True Love (just as unicornish!). But it was all just a dream. Females are no more capable of romantic love than an Akistrodon piscivorus (Cottonmouth moccasin to you Yankees). F~~~ all of them.

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    Sidecar
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    I cannot cut her off completely. I am still dependent on my father and will be for the next year or two until I complete my Masters degree and start my career.

    Well that does make things more difficult, but at the same time it also leaves you with a convenient justification for minimizing contact with your toxic mother.  You are working on your masters.  You are working HARD on your masters.  Every waking second of your time is concentrating on getting that degree, so sorry but you just don’t have time to read e-mails that don’t have anything to do with getting your masters.  Ignore her and when she complains about being ignored just say you had a really important paper to write that month.  Or an important exam to study for.  Or whatever.

    I’m not suggesting you lie to her, but rather that you actually do concentrate 200% of your time on finishing your degree.  Take summer classes during the off term to get your degree faster and avoid you toxic full year.  Concentrating on your education gives you an excuse to avoid your toxic mother, something to occupy your thoughts other than your toxic mother, and gets you your sheepskin and out on your own as soon as possible.  Once you have your degree and are finally out on your own you will be in the position to call the shots on your relationship with your toxic mother.

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    BrainPilot
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    BluetoRed,
    This is a wild guess, but any chance that you are an only child, or the youngest kid in your family? or the youngest of your mother’s own children?

    I’m asking because it occurred to me reading sidecar’s post above, that your mother is probably aware that the day you get the degree is the last day you will have any tolerance of her and her negative influence. She can see this emotional amputation coming.

    I’ll admit I may very well be projecting here as a result of my own toxic mother who could be described just as easily by the description you gave of yours… but if she knows that graduation day is the day you walk and abandon her for good, what are the chances that on some level she might like to sabotage the process of you getting to that day?

    It’s a horrible thought, and hopefully doesn’t apply to your situation. But if she needs to be a mother for the validation that she is worth something, or the control, or whatever other selfish reason she may have, then as soon as you don’t need or depend on her anymore, she doesn’t get that anymore. I don’t put it past a woman to sabotage a man in order to continue to get something she believes she is entitled to, or fears losing. How a woman feels matters more to her than any collateral damage she may do in protecting that.

    If you are the only child, or the last one, it’s a greater possibility than if she has someone else to ‘mother’ on after you…
    If you are the last, or the only, then your “IT”.

    If you can find any alternate source of financing for your education (grants, student loans, internships, side jobs, military reserves…anything at all), it will go a very long way to insulating yourself from her negative influence. You may not have to even use it. Just having it available can have a very calming effect. If she knows she can’t use money to control you, she’s much less likely to try it. If you can’t find alternate financing, the advice above to withdraw and blame everything on the time required by your studies is pretty good. I used that strategy and it worked well. It’s difficult for her to openly sabotage something everyone believes is worthwhile, and it’s much harder for her to convince anyone that you are actually defective if you are in the process of achieving something as significant as a master’s degree.

    Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

    #37754
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    Mom’s strategy did not come to mind but twice, at a three decade interval:    her house over my career     her house over my child’s happiness

    unbelievable   unbelievable

    Blue To Red you have our empathy.

    "It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

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