I wanna Learn more about right wing side of politics

[JuehueParticipant 1316]

Anonymous wrote:

Libertarians are way more fiscally conservative than the religious conservatives, and they are completely socially liberal, not in a fiscal/socialism sense, but in the law making sense. Libertarians believe there should be no victimless crimes, drugs, whatever…It is all about the least amount of Government intrusion into all realms.

Yup they’re a combination of “NFG and my wallet my choice”

[Anonymous 14]

Juehue wrote:

Yup they’re a combination of “NFG and my wallet my choice”

Very well put Juehue, you would think I would get far less pushback when I speak my mind here considering this site is basically founded on this type of Sovereignty. Truth be told there are many of these Tracon/Christian Zionist Conservatives here, (they have a posse of sorts here, very firmly entrenched who up vote nonsense all the time…) all fake Right Wingers really as they want your money for their bulls~~~, no different than Leftists.

I think I would describe Libertarianism as “My life, my choice”, Sovereignty.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

BoB wrote:

You honestly can’t be both a fiscal conservative and social liberal. This is because social liberals insist on spending for a million different identity groups and causes. There is no definition of what that final equality looks like. How does one measure or quantify social justice? You can’t. This is a blank check.

What would you call me if I wanted to see a leaner, less wasteful government accompanied by a balanced budget, but I could care less if gays want to get married?

I think what your describing is just a straight up tax and spend liberal, where as the fiscal conservative/social liberal types are more libertarian…more or less I don’t care what you do as long as its not harmful to me or my property and I don’t have to fund it.

[BoBParticipant 823]

Beer wrote:

What would you call me if I wanted to see a leaner, less wasteful government accompanied by a balanced budget, but I could care less if gays want to get married?

I think what your describing is just a straight up tax and spend liberal, where as the fiscal conservative/social liberal types are more libertarian…more or less I don’t care what you do as long as its not harmful to me or my property and I don’t have to fund it.

Totally fair. That is what I’m describing. I think that libertarians have lost the bubble due to drugs, but that’s just my opinion. I believe that if you and I talked about it, our opinions wouldn’t be that far apart. I was speaking of social liberal’s desire to “set things right” and spending inordinate amounts of money in that pursuit. This is precisely how women got so much power over men. Just logarithmically (is that a word?) multiply that example.

[BoBParticipant 823]

Anonymous wrote:

This guy is clearly classic Tradcon or Christian Conservative. In fact, Bob and the likes of him are a dying breed.

Easy to label folks. If only that worked in the real world… NFG. We all have strong convictions. You’re welcome to yours.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

BoB wrote:

I was speaking of social liberal’s desire to “set things right” and spending inordinate amounts of money in that pursuit.

It seems a lot like you are defaulting to the mind set that democrat = socially liberal…and with the current crop of democrats in this country, that is wrong. For example…a true socially liberal person would respect other people’s freedom of speech and right to assemble even when they don’t agree with the message that person may be delivering…yet modern democrats seem increasingly unable to do that as they think those rights are only reserved for those they agree with.

In other words…those democrat Antifa assholes that were out rioting and damaging other people’s property right after Trump got elected…yeah…those idiots aren’t socially liberal. If they were they wouldn’t be turning to violence, intimidation, and trying to silence the opposition…they’d have a little more respect for people who may think differently then them.

[Anonymous 14]

BoB wrote:

THX 1138 wrote:

This guy is clearly classic Tradcon or Christian Conservative. In fact, Bob and the likes of him are a dying breed.

Easy to label folks. If only that worked in the real world… NFG. We all have strong convictions. You’re welcome to yours.

It does work in the real world, you just did it by stating that one cannot be fiscally conservative while being socially liberal thusly casting a very wide label upon an entire political party (Libertarians), which is patently false as much of the voter base that elected Trump are exactly that, therefore my assumption was/is that you are a Tradcon, as this is an argument that I have heard from these types repeatedly. Trust me, most here know this place attracts both Tradcons and Libertarians, you must be the new guy?

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

CasualGuy227 wrote:

Would any one have any sources, views, books, videos or any other forms of communication they think would help me learn a bit more and give it more of a fair shot and inspection to help me grow my overall knowledge.

Frederic Bastiat’s – “The Law”
Alexis De Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America”

Youtube Dr. Ron Paul on his debates, economics, and check out his accurate predictions such as:

Ludwig Von Mises “Theory on Money and Credit”
Thomas Sowell

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

While it has a Libertarian bias to it, I consider the Nolan chart to be one of the best ways to describe the difference between left and right:
http://nolan.jimeyer.org/nolan_example.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

The Libertarian bias here is that it frames left vs right in the context of government involvement in different sectors, whether personal liberty or economic.

One can take conservative (right) to mean preservation, and returning to the past, and the left (progressive) to be changing of things. In terms of changes vs preserving, you have the Trumpian/Alt-Right side that sees government can be involved to end up actively reverse current changes going on. Given to a large degree, you end up with more of a statist conservative, that both wants to roll back globalization economically, and also roll back social change by outlawing drugs, and pushing promotion of traditional values. This use of government ends up being seen as a bad thing by Libertarians.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

Conservative politics and Capitalism is what people do when they are left alone. Ever notice how the Left have to keep on hammering away their point and try to silence people, even people who are Left wing themselves? They need to have complete servitude from it’s followers because they change the rules so often.

Right wing is more about just being free.

And don’t believe the whole thing about the Nazi’s being Right wing, they were Left as well.

If you lump Libertarian and Conservative together, then you can say this. However, when you put Libertarians and Conservatives together, they will end up clearing showing the differences. Conservatives will generally favor life over liberty, and Libertarians the opposite. Conservatives will push to shut down porn, and other ideas and forms of expression they consider destructive. You see cases where Conservatives demand boycotts against businesses that don’t honor the pledge, and want constitutional amendments banning burning the American flag. They will also speak against Islam, and other religions, not fitting. You don’t get this with Libertarianism.

To say this about Conservatives, doesn’t mean Liberals are out. Well, there are Classic Liberals, which are now best represented as Libertarian. You end up having modern Liberals, usually under Progressive, who will end up practicing a ton of forms of censorship, to get their progress to stick. They will demand conformity to a lot of things, and silence. They do this just as much as any Conservative.

And Fascists were conservative. They were no way in hell classic Liberal or Libertarian, but they were close to what you think of alt-right today. Alt-right is generally nationalistic, ethnic purity, and leans towards racial purity. NOT ALL alt-right, but a bunch is there. This is the more radical version. More mainstream would be considered Paleo-conservative and Tradcon on the cultural side. If you are a libertarian-conservative fusion type, usually liking some of Ron Paul, you aren’t going to go Fascist here. However, if you feel that preserving cultural norms are, you are getting closer to what is involved with Fascism. Fascism comes from a term meaning to bind sticks together. In this, it means all major forms of cultural norms end up connected.

Now, you go with Communists, that is a different animal, but even in communist states, there are conservatives there, who hold on to traditional values.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Big Boss wrote:

CasualGuy227 wrote:

Would any one have any sources, views, books, videos or any other forms of communication they think would help me learn a bit more and give it more of a fair shot and inspection to help me grow my overall knowledge.

Frederic Bastiat’s – “The Law”
Alexis De Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America”

Youtube Dr. Ron Paul on his debates, economics, and check out his accurate predictions such as:
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Ludwig Von Mises “Theory on Money and Credit”
Thomas Sowell

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That is good for the Libertarian side. If you want go more paleoconservative, American Conservative magazine, would be a good source of it (also looking up conservatives debating Libertarians):

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And you have Breitbart.com if you want the Alt-Right revamped version of paleoconservatism. Fox News is a good source for that also.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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