I think we should stop identifying PUA-types as red-pilled

[ScandinavianParticipant 590]

Never understood PUAs, never will, and I have as much respect as understanding of them.

Sure, sex can be fun, sometimes. But chasing it? No way in hell! If you go after sex to The frantic degree these guys do, you are in fact letting women control your life. No matter what excuses you make, no matter how “successful” you are; you will have spent a sh!teload of time and energy on: WOMEN. Ain’t that another one for the piedestal?

[HashParticipant 21]

It’s PUA that brought me to the Red Pill, and Red Pill brought me to MGTOW, but it was only PUA early on.

Back when I was in heavy depression, when I hit rock bottom and the only option for me was to go up, I went to look for help and self-improvement. One of the main things that I discovered was PUA and for a few months I devoured all PUA material that seemed sensible to me. I’m glad to say that even then, in that state, my bulls~~~ detector was operational. Thing is, I actually connected to those guys because I saw it in them that they are struggling like I am. I remember watching some Mystery videos when I finally realised he’s heavy blue pill underneath (though I did not know of the term back then).

PUA helped me get the motivation to do something, anything. It just happened that the motivation were women. I had no self esteem, terrible social anxiety and lacked any confidence or charisma. I wasn’t like that before, but I wasn’t anything special either. Many material that I selected from the PUA community was by guys that either laid down cold hard facts about how women and social dynamics operate, or were genuinely trying to help other men with self-improvement and often pointed out that chasing women is a waste of time and energy, and that the woman will come to the man when man is where he wants to be in life (assuming the man wants one). I wouldn’t call this kind of stuff blue pill, but then again one can question if that even is PUA stuff.

But the basic PUA is pretty much making one’s life revolve around (f~~~ing) women. Wasting all that time, energy, and money on women is completely blue pill stuff in my opinion. What gives hope is that this might just be a stepping stone for guys to get out of the dark hole they’ve found themselves in (like it was for me in a way).

My first instinct when I see PUA guys is that they need my help. I think that says it.

[BestoftherestParticipant 285]

Isn’t a red piller a person who knows female nature?  Aren’t PUA’s capitalizing on that knowledge?  Not all PUA’s are red but if they’re not all red, can red pill not apply to those that are?     For instance you find a red pill PUA, is he not a red pill due to being a PUA.  Does pua disqualify him from knowing female nature.   I say PUA’s are to be judged on an individual bases, if your question was that all pua’s be deemed unfit for the red pill philosophy I would disagree, but if you question was PUA’s be default should no longer be considered red pill I’d agree.

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I am working on my MGTOW degree right now with major in red pills and minor in PUA

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[MochaParticipant 90]

Have you read The Game by Neil Strauss? It’s a fun read. Worth checking out, and as Blue Pill as it gets. PUA’s are Blue Pillers trying to trick the Genie back into the bottle. Have fun with that.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Most PUA’s are full of s~~~ and greatly exaggerate their success. Of course there are some guys out there that can snap their fingers and have any woman wanting to f~~~ them, but they are of course a rare group. PUA advice is created and sold by men who are preying on the lack of self-confidence that other men have when it comes to socializing with and seducing women. It’s like a less sinister version of those pills that promise to make your dick bigger.

We shouldn’t be preying on the weaknesses of our fellow men, regardless of what stage they are in their blue to red pill awakening. People latching on to the red pill concept in order to make a buck are our enemies and must be exposed for the rest of the manosphere to see.

Regardless of how nauseating the female opposition is, the worst offenders are those amongst our own gender.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Anonymous 5]

Hash wrote:

What gives hope is that this might just be a stepping stone for guys to get out of the dark hole they’ve found themselves in (like it was for me in a way).

Great quote Hash. If it’s a stepping stone then good on them, but it’s a very slippery stepping stone.
Guys who continue with a PUA mindset have some sort of disorder. It’s all about being better and having a higher score of women than other guys. It’s not about women or sex.
When they do score you’ll never hear the end of it. They don’t tell women, they tell guys about it. It’s weird and boring at the same time. Reminds you of a small child trying to impress. It’s best to act impressed.
It’s a very slippery slope just considering the STD’s with women who are easily bedded, let alone the possible legal consequences.
Even genuine 6’6”, super rich, muscular, tattoo’d bad boy alpha’s suffer the same fate as beta’s once the female has ownership.
Just look at the divorce history of sport stars, movie stars and mega rich of every physical description to see that.
Once they have ownership, they change. In an evolutionary sense, it’s disadvantageous for a woman to be emotionally biassed towards a man as a resource, but it’s an advantage when a replaceable man takes dangerous undue personal risks to protect and nourish a breeder and offspring. That’s why men are programmed to stay “In love” after ownership, it’s great for the survival of the species.
“Love” is a woman’s biggest weapon, far greater than sex, tears or nagging.
Women will have no real sexual desire for a man they own. If they do, they’ll dole out sex regardless of output instead of sex being a reward and punishment to maximise survival chances. Ask any guy who’s ever been in a long term relationship. Sex is a manipulation tool in long term relationships.
They’ll fantasise about a hobo they step over in the gutter or the milkman or a guy they pass in the street before they’ll fantasise about their owned partner.  I’m not saying they’ll have sex with them, I’m saying they’ll sexually fantasise about any stranger before their owned partner.

Genuine PUA’s and real Alpha’s fall the hardest because they have no idea whatsoever what’s in store, just the same as 10/10 beautiful women have no idea what men are really like.

[Anonymous 13]

Guts MGTOW wrote:

Have you ever actually spoken to a PUA-type about a topic other than women? I have and mostly they had blue-pilled opinions on everything else

 

How did you even stand talking to them about anything else?

Its like talking to your average girl in her twenties.

How did you even get them talk about anything else?

Its near impossible and takes awhile.

 

I agree with you.

 

Puck Up Artist ??

What, the art of risking insemination – risking false allegations – risking jail – prison – child support – emotional attachment to her – or, at least – emotional attachment to your kids (which is natural) – and then emotional detachment from everyone and everything and life itself when you loose the chances to be with your kids, to raise your kids, to just see your kids, to be involved…after that welcome to insanity

 

What a stupid f~~~ing “art” and a waste of time…don’t they know they are being used too?  Yeah, most of them do – that is why I picture two leeches sucking on each other – leeches not only sucking on each other but when they have kids and a dysfunctional family is generated – they are leeches on society – and society is now full of leeches – welcome to paradise.

 

Personally, I don’t think its right morally or logically from an economical stand point as well to use anyone.

But I guess two people using each other doesn’t necessarily violate any trust or this moral or economical code – in the short term – but society picks up the bill for their kids later in many different facets, and the people initially involved will pay later as well.  We aren’t machines, we are people.

Personal responsibility doesn’t mean s~~~ today…so…why can’t I raise my kids again, why can’t I even see them?  That’s right, this is backwardsville full of f~~~tards.

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