I think of escape constantly.

[BeeParticipant 700]

I’m married, 13 years, one daughter age 10. We live in a small post war ranch. We both work decent jobs. My daughter is sweet usually. My wife has the normal ups and downs that seem to follow her hormone cycle. Our life has seemed to get into a predictable routine. Wife and I are no longer passionately in love. She has even referred to it as roommates with benefits. I get laid weekly and rub one out the other six days.

I don’t really like our family dynamic. She yells a lot. The kid doesn’t listen. I usuall come home from work and escape into the internet, pretend to not be there. I’ll look at houses for sale with big garages, old cars for sale I will never buy, motorcycles, whatever. Sometimes I dream of just being away from the drama alone ‘ n a shack in the woods. It’s winter now in kc, so I dream of getting away, to somewhere never cold. My latest thing is that I want to go to Thailand and f~~~ every woman in sight. I’d when live there, get one of their little scooters and Buzz around all day, go to the beach, and live in a little apartment for $200 a month. Idk what to do.

[Anonymous 42]

Pistol please, <reaching for pistol> BANG!

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

The kid is reasonably smart.

It sounds like there’s no reason for any drama, at all, but her awfulness. Of course, that sentence describes every single marriage in the Soviet United States today.

Eight years until you can divorce with less child support . . . although you’re still quite on the hook for college and whatnot.

Wish I had a magic solution for you. Any way to build on a larger garage and get a car or bike to futz around with? A further retreat away from her horrific self.

All I got. Other men here may have better suggestions.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

This is like watching a animal in a snare. It’s terrible and you feel helpless.

When I look back at my cheating ex …. it now seems a good thing she did. She opened the trap so I could escape and tend my wounds.

But this here scares the s~~~ out of me. To be trapped that way.

The only solice I can give is ….. hoping Bunker Mode can pass you some words as he is in a similar place …. but has a plan.

We are out here for you …. but it is you that must decide if you should jump across this void.

I hope you can.

[Anonymous 24]

I would say start planning your escape now. Hang in there for as long as you want to, not a second longer. It is really all about your kid at this point. DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER! Start saving money somehow secretly. Plan, plan, plan, dream, and plan some more. Once free of the marriage run to Thailand or whatever YOUR dream is.

Good luck-
Joe

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

You need to decide what you really want. Then make it happen.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[HitmanParticipant]

o.k. ..let’s get down to buisiness , you are in a bad place ,.your kid can handle it if you get divorced
get a lawyer ..take a loan, cash advance from a credit card ,just get the money .
get a place to sleep and eat , any family or friends to stay with will help you save money.
set up visitation rights with your kid using lawyer .
DIVORCE HER . f~~~ being miserable,it’s a FAVOR to your child , NOT a bad thing .
be HAPPY again . enjoy your life and stop “wishing ” and start DOING !
make a plan and stick with it .come here for advice , and reality checks as you need ..
ESCAPE ! don’t stay in HELL, even with the cost of a divorce , ESCAPE .
don’t wallow in self-pity .act …as in ACTION is required .
if you stay you are a volunteer .
good luck with your mission .

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

Heres what you programmer types should do, including bunker mode…

Find a friend that you trust. Open an account on fiverr or freelancer.com and start doing freelance work on your friends account.

Allow your friend to take a cut off the top, so there is some benefit for him and so that he can pay taxes on that income he earned lol.

Ok now you go move to thailand or wherever and have your friend send you your portion in bitcoin.

I know many of you don’t like/trust bitcoin at all. So just go to a bitcoin ATM and withdraw local currency immediately. Use bitcoin as an anonymous transfer service. Convert it immediately so no worry about the volatility. Encrypt all communications.

FREEDOM!

Not my property... Not my problem

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

Though as a side note:

You made the kid. It’s your responsibility until she is 18. Don’t be a deadbeat dad.

However once that kid is 18…. F~~~ lifetime alimony.

I’m sure the authorities would track ya down, so just go move somewhere inside your country.

Go by a false name and stick to cash. What’s freedom worth to you?

Not my property... Not my problem

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

NotMyProblem wrote:

bitcoin ATM and withdraw local currency

Wasn’t aware you could do this – directly from a bitcoin wallet? Or is there some kind of intermediary (bitcoin -> currency exchange) first?

One thing i’ve considered offering up to a few of my guy friends, as the only single one in the group – opening bank accounts in my name, but for them. Or holding their silver/gold coins or whatever. They can put away a little at a time, on the horizon of years if need be, and have some security blanket to GTFO when necessary.

As long as the asset’s not in their name, can’t be touched during the divorce mess. Of course, you’ve gotta trust that friend with all that cash, but for guys that go back a long way, not usually an issue.

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

Yes there’s only like 200 bitcoin ATM’s in the world at the moment though. I’m considering investing in a few but most states require a money transmitter license and all sorts of red tape.

I think if you try to pull out more than like $500 you need to provide identity, but don’t quote me on that.

Keep in mind bitcoin is not really anonymous. It’s pseudonymous, so there are a few extra steps you have to take, in order to be truly anonymous.

Not my property... Not my problem

[BeeParticipant 700]

I’m not having anymore children with her. I’ve had the snip. Today she came home really tired and crabby. She’s watching tv and playing with her cell phone. I’m browsing youtube videos of Pattaya. I came home from visiting my mom and my favorite chair was moved across the room and against the wall (its a recliner).

I hate this s~~~. Do not get married. If you want to have happy relationships with women, keep them short. ideally 3-6 months or so. Then move on.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Depends on the course of action you take a divorce will have the courts take your assets and a angry wife who will try to squeeze every cent from you if you dare leave. you could sliently suffer for a few more years then divorce her. And finally you could possibly try to become a complete asshole but then your wife may possibly call the cops if you get into a argument and she punched herself in the face. Think long and hard about the route you will take whether to stick it in for a few more years,fix her up, or abandon the ship now.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I told mine straight up the reasons and a timeline for when I was leaving. I changed the timeline because she made the reasons (mostly) go away.

The reason there is still a timeline is because too many times the marriage has slipped from tolerable to bad.

I say tolerable because even when sex is happening and she’s happy to see me every day, I’m still not where I want to be and doing the things that I want the majority of the time and my resources are not going where I want them to go.

Keep in mind you are also teaching your child how to have a relationship. If she sees her Mom backbite you, scream, or throw fits to get her way then you are an accessory to teaching her to fail at relationships later on.

It can be much harder to be the one to choose to end things when things are just cooled off. She’s not even necessarily a bad person, you don’t know she’s cheated and she contributes financially. The stories here of physical or emotional abuse, cheating, and weaponized law enforcement are the bad ones. She sounds like she doesn’t want to be the one to initiate the process and knows she will suffer from the break up, so she wants to quit and have you to blame for being the one to file. Be smart and make your plan.

Only you can come up with your own timeline and post marriage plan, work a little toward making it happen each day (whether it’s research or funding), execute when YOU are ready and break free.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[narwhalParticipant]

Personally, I don’t know that your wife is your biggest problem at the moment. I’m not saying wives are good, just that I don’t think getting a divorce is going to make all your problems go away.

I could be reading to things, but are you happy with yourself? When you’re wife is yelling, what do you do? When she moved your chair, how did you react? I’m not saying you should fly into a rage, but if you aren’t reacting to what’s bothering you, you’re the biggest problem. Before you start calling lawyers, make sure you are properly communicating the issues you have with your wife honestly. Not blaming her, but letting her know that you’re unhappy. It’ll make you a better person, give her a chance to possibly correct her mistakes, and if you go the divorce route, make that a lot smoother.

Most importantly though, your daughter is watching. What do you mean she doesn’t listen? What are the consequences when she doesn’t listen? You’re her father, and you have the right and responsibility to bring down the hammer. That’s how the real world works, letting her get a way with less is not doing her any favors.

So yes, in my opinion, planning your escape is getting the cart before the horse I think. Fixing yourself and focusing on parenting and setting an example should come first. You do that first, and there will be no doubt as to what your future plans should be.

Honestly, for me, I didn’t get my s~~~ together while I was still married. I did after. I honestly wish I had. I’m not saying that it would have kept my marriage a live, but it would have changed a lot of things for the better.

Ok. Then do it.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Bee wrote:

Wife and I are no longer passionately in love. She has even referred to it as roommates with benefits. I get laid weekly and rub one out the other six days.

She yells a lot.
Sometimes I dream of just being away from the drama alone ‘ n a shack in the woods.
My latest thing is that I want to go to Thailand and f~~~ every woman in sight.

@narwhal, I agree. He’s got some work to do on himself, but my advice was based on the desperation of these lines. She’s using him to maintain her lifestyle while returning little, he’s done. Counseling gets him to stay where she wants him, plugged in to keep providing.

I suggested a path, it requires his effort to change it. I think we’re suggesting the same thing, just different routes to the same destination.

Every day he spends trying to make her happy again is a valuable lost opportunity of his life. I know. I’m living it right now so that I don’t rip the rug out from under my kids. My wife has lived with me longer than she lived with her parents. Her responsibility level is potentially less than the chores she had living with them since mine doesn’t bring her own money in.

His wife is at least partially financially responsible for herself. It doesn’t change the fact that he and she are unhappy together. The solution might be ONE of them being more happy apart, even if the rest of her life sucks.

Bee getting to choose his own path is my goal in commenting.

Right now he can’t even have a chair left where he wants it.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

Bee wrote:

I’ll look at houses for sale with big garages, old cars for sale I will never buy, motorcycles, whatever. Sometimes I dream of just being away from the drama alone ‘ n a shack in the woods. It’s winter now in kc, so I dream of getting away, to somewhere never cold. My latest thing is that I want to go to Thailand and f~~~ every woman in sight. I’d when live there, get one of their little scooters and Buzz around all day, go to the beach, and live in a little apartment for $200 a month. Idk what to do.

Yup, you’re in a bit of a pickle, but fear not. At least you have the red pill. I’m Awakened While Married, and since I took the red pill my life has radically improved.

Since the red pill I’ve saved and made more money, I’m in better shape and health, living in a better place, removed from family drama, plus just came back from a long weekend in South America*, by myself, and bought myself a used convertible.

I’ve always had a motorcycle. Plus I’m still married with kids. My wife is utterly baffled by my metamorphosis but she can’t quite figure it out.

*i had numerous opportunities to have sex with other women, but I opted for massages instead. Sex with wifey is okay. I just enjoy the boost of having other women desire me and having enough self control to tell them no. It ain’t easy though 😉

Anyway, enough about me. See the part I quoted? You will eventually do some of those things, but you must do them intelligently or you could go from bad to worse. You’ll need to plan and save for them, plus be creative about it. However, they can be achieved and it doesn’t have to break the bank. The creatively is where the power is. Thing of the how more than even the what.

The key, as I learned, is to make sure that you digest the red pill and work on you, to be the best you can be, as well as continue to handle your parental responsibilities. All the red pill knowledge will help get you there. Good luck.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Bee- read your post in the other section and gave a little advice there.

Start taking the defensive actions that you need to take. We’re here for you brother. If it gets too bad, just go grab your daughter and get out. Do NOT get physical back with your wife. Take a picture of her on your way out the door to document and timestamp here appearance when you left.

If she’ll hurt you or your daughter there is nothing to say that she won’t beat herself up after you go and then call the cops. She will probably call them to say that you took the daughter.

When the cops stop you, understand they only have her side at that point. Being respectful and having proof to show will make everything go more quickly so you can reach the point where you and your daughter can move on.

Don’t say anything negative to your daughter about your wife,but don’t take up for her either. Kids are smart, but be better than women who poison the kids against the other. She will come to her own conclusions. No kid should have to preemptively assume a protective position from their own parent.

As I said in the other thread, we’re here for you. Keep getting red pills here, and keep your head.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[hollowtipsParticipant 681]

I’m a lot like you. Nearly a 4 year relationship, no kids or ring yet I’m luckily still young but theirs the other girl I used to be amazingly close with that I can’t get out of my head. I’m literally constantly thinking about banging her, she was so chill and cute. Only thing that kept me from being with her was the distance when I was young.

Honestly I’d love to just be free, save my money aggressively instead of seeing it get sucked up constantly every month. I’ll never get to travel to africa, europe, asia, south america and australia if I’m expected to make it a 5 star vacation. But if I lived below my means I could accomplish all of this in 2 years.

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