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Hey Boxing4Life,
Money is not important as long as you spend wisely and develop hobbies that are cost effective. The fact that your are Mgtow saves a lot of money. I’m guessing you don’t want kids…. That saves a lot of money. Don’t worry about the 100K job. You have more freedom than the people who work 9-5, slaves to their wifes, and mortgages. Stay positive. There was this one incident when I was a teenager where I was very very close to suicide. You are not alone my friend. Life is worth living.Are you feeling better since your last post on this thread……Sept 27 ??
CheersMgtowUnited, sorry I didn’t respond sooner. I figured this thread had gotten buried by now. To answer your question, I am coping with the situation better these days. I’m beginning to just accept it, but I do relapse every now and then and wonder how different (improved?) my life would be if I hadn’t made those mistakes. Your advice makes me feel better since you are probably right. I’m MGTOW, which means the people who still have good jobs probably p~~~ away all their money on wives, babies, and other s~~~. Which means the money they’re left with at the end of the day probably isn’t much different from mine, despite them having a better job. So maybe its best I didn’t go down that path. I often wonder about free will/destiny/ does everything happen for a reason? etc.
Sometimes I feel it’s all scripted and written out for us, and what is meant to be will be. Other days I feel like maybe we DO have free will? Who knows. In any case however, I am a proud MGTOW and from here on out NO MORE MISTAKES and if it wasn’t for the past mistakes, I may have not ended up here. So yes, I am feeling better these days. Thank you for your post.
Sometimes I feel it’s all scripted and written out for us, and what is meant to be will be. Other days I feel like maybe we DO have free will?
You are not the only one that feels this way. I also feel like this is all scripted and written out for us. Only even the most detailed scripts have gaps that allow us some free time and free will of our own.
As a fan of combat sports, one thing that always boggles my mind is just how “perfect” some fighters careers turn out. I’m not just talking about consistently winning or being undefeated. I’m talking about guys never getting cut or injured, referee’s/judges not noticing things that could pass for point deductions, etc. Sometimes I really wonder if there is some mystical unseen force guiding these guys to a perfect career. Why are they so blessed to have it? Why don’t their opponents have it? Who’s dick did they suck in a previous life to get this kind of help on their side?
This can be applied to people in any career or any type of person in life, not just fighters. It’s just strange to me how some people seem to have everything go their way and others don’t. Just look at the people who have won the lottery twice. Makes me really wonder if there is fate/free will. I guess in life there has to be winners and losers and the universe will decide who is who.
You can look for a job at editorials and publishers… you know those who make magazines… good for the INTJ type.
Have you tried Amazon Kindle Direct Publishing? It gives start-up writers ike us to try our hand at writing and earning a few bucks. You could try that.
I’ve just turned 20 and it might not be viable for me to give you advice… but I will share what I have learnt in my life till now:
Never believe that all doors are closed for you. God brought you into this world, and made it so that you live your ife to the point where you are now. He wil always give you opportunities to make a living.. you just have to open your eyes and notice them. ALso, never think that all jobs are below your standard or require skills other than your set of expertise. I believe if you look around you’ll find something that suits you and pay your bills.
Just fyi, I’m not religious. But bringing aesthetic words into speeches do make them sound great! (y)
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
you need to read first:
1.) Man’s Search for Meaning
THEN
2.) How I Found Freedom in an Unfree Worldif you are not reading that first book within 5 minutes of reading this, then go f~~~ yourself.
How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World <— Just started this thx for posting it seems exactly what I should have read already.
Lately I’ve actually been wondering if I suffer from some sort of “PTSD” from losing my job. 2+ years have passed since I lost the job and I still have dreams/nightmares about it very frequently. This morning was my latest one. For me to not get over something after such a long time has passed shows that it is clearly deeply affecting me.
In the dreams I usually am still working there in some way. Even if there is nothing hinting at me working there, the job still makes an appearance in my dreams regardless. Sometimes it hurts waking up and realizing it was all a dream, and I’m not actually going to work there later on in the day. It still feels new sometimes. Also, I might even dream of my current job AND my old job (both jobs in 1 dream) and compare the 2. This happened in this morning’s dream where my current job was f~~~ing something up, and my old job came to save the day. It’s my minds way of saying how lame my current job is and how completely inferior it is to the old one in every way.
Over 2 years later and I still wonder/fantasize from time to time where my life would be if I was still working there. The MUCH larger amount of money in my account, less stress, etc. I know this isn’t healthy thinking and most people would say I need to let it go, but I obviously have some sort of “PTSD” regarding this traumatic event. It haunts me almost every day. Another interesting thing to note is that I can VIVIDLY remember individual days that I worked. Everything from the weather, the location I was in, what I was doing at the time, the people, etc. Some of these days are 3+ years old yet from time to time, 1 will just pop into my head randomly. I don’t do this with many other jobs.
Lately I’ve also been wondering if me being a white male had anything to do with being fired. I take responsibility for the poor choices I made while working there, but I can’t help but wonder what disciplinary action they might’ve taken if I was a woman/homosexual/minority. Probably a warning and a slap on the wrist.
This was a once in a life time job opportunity so losing it still haunts me. And to simply “get over it” is clearly something that is far more complicated. I didn’t exactly get fired from Burger King.
To anyone with real PTSD, do the symptoms I display sound familiar? Do I need to see some sort of therapist for this, and will they even help me? Will I ever get over this? As the topic title says, I miss the days as a teenager when only girls mattered. These haunting nightmares and memories have caused me serious grief the last few years.
I know the feeling. I’m late 20s. I conquered the game years ago and no longer get pleasure from it. School was indeed a scam, and working sucks. So what do we do next?
I can’t tell you that, it’s your own path.
I only know what MY path is because I’m building it myself. I’ve started and failed a couple businesses… I’m now in the middle of launching another, taking the lessons I learned from past failures. This one is already looking better than anything I’ve done before.
In doing this, I have needed to learn several skills I never imagined I would have. Programming. Cold calling. Self motivating. You say you have no useful skills? That’s fine. Figure out your goal, figure out the skills you’ll need, and acquire them. The internet provides free courses on any topic you can imagine. Even if this venture fails and I lose all my money, it’s already a victory because of the personal progress it forced me to make.
I don’t know what you need to do, but I hope you’ll dream big, go for it, and get back up every single time you get knocked down – because you will get knocked down. That’s life. We’re not women. We don’t get things handed to us because of our genitals. We get things handed to us only after working, fighting, and bleeding for it.
When I was younger and just learning about women, it was hugely satisfying to discover new things about them. Before MGTOW was even a thing, I used to sit and think about women a lot and why they do the things they do. I came to a lot of the realizations all of us here have come to about them. I realized the basics about how they love attention. I realized they like you more when you are a dick to them. I realized their sneaky, deceitful, and conniving ways, etc. I learned these things at a gradual pace over the years. I started off as a noob like every man does, making tons of mistakes. Buying them flowers, telling them sweet things, you name it. But I eventually graduated to where I am today, being able to see and cut through their bulls~~~ like a hot knife through butter within milliseconds.
But this topic isn’t about girls and the things all of us here have come to realize and understand about them. No, its about me. I am nearing my late 20’s and I have absolutely no direction in life. I’ve made some drastic mistakes in the past and I’ve ended up here at this point in my life with no goals, no ambitions, nothing. All the things I wanted to do as a career were always pipe dreams, and some of the more “realistic” goals were overlooked. I may have figured girls out, what makes them tick, how to get them to like you, etc. but you see, none of that s~~~ matters anymore and maybe it never did. Girls are essentially useless to me. I have their entire game figured out and I’m not interested in any of it. I feel like a martial artist who is a 9th dan black belt, but with no adversary to battle, no students to teach, and nothing to show for it. All this knowledge about girls is useless to me and only matters to horny PUA’s trying to get laid.
Life was so much easier back when the only cares I had in the world were figuring out how to make “_____” like me, what to text her, how to get laid, etc. Those days are long gone and things are much harder now. Women complicate things, but even without them I’m still struggling. I have no purpose in life and I’m just a wandering soul. School is bulls~~~ and a scam. Most jobs are slave factories with horrible wages. And to top it off I have no real useful skills. Trades are very expensive to learn and jobs aren’t even guaranteed. I have a bulls~~~ job and some money saved up, but neither of these things will allow me the financial freedom or sense of fulfillment I so desire. There must be a change in order for me to be happy but I don’t know what.
As an INTJ personality type, I am hugely creative (and very anti-social). But creating comics, being a writer, inventing a product, (the list goes on) are all things that require a bit of luck. Relying on these ideas to pay bills is not a viable strategy, unless you get lucky and your creation goes viral. Other than those strategies however, I really don’t see any other way I can ever live a happier life, and that kills me inside. I get more and more depressed as time goes on. Just envisioning myself working at my job for the foreseeable future is enough to make me want to call it quits, and its not the job that I’m referring to. I would also like to mention that I am entirely alone in my journey, and not even my family supports me. The only thing I can count on my family for is constantly shaming me, and gossiping among themselves about what a “loser” I am. I can count on them for that.
I often see a lot of helpful posts around these parts, particularly from SM, about real estate and coding. But I don’t even know how to get started with those. I also see investment advice but I’m a rookie with that too. Hopefully someone can give me some other strategies on what I can do with myself because lately this depression is tightening its grip on me.
I am the same way with how you think. There’s days that suicide seems like a good choice when I realize the utter futility of modern society but you know what stops me from just ending? The vision of a better future where we as men are considered actual human beings not just disposable cattle, it won’t be with this failed society but women and corrupt governments will be forced to learn eventually when the weight of their hubris is too much to bear, we both are like Atlas struggling to bear the weight of society on their shoulders but we must keep in mind this society will crash and burn rightfully too I might add so focus on yourself and ignore women even if seems difficult in your present state.
Thank you for your post. The future you speak of might not occur in our lifetime though.
I don’t. It’s quite clear to me now that all that was an illusion. I consider it wasted time, that could’ve been used better.
Fortunately I know better now.
I can identify with a lot of the things you said, wandering mghow. I’m creative, introverted, etc. My life got completely derailed in my 20’s. And I’ve dealt with some severe depression.
My advice would be to chill out. You’ve got lots of time to try and find your route through life. And without the burdens many have. Maybe spend a little time in nature.
And maybe try some meds if you keep feeling horrible. They’ve helped me. They aren’t perfect but they’re better than nothing.
I know how you feel, pal. I’ve been struggling with depression and uncertainty for years. I think your particular situation seems fine—although you’re not satisfied with it. You should try to ignore other people’s standards of what you should be—they only care about image instead of your well-being. As far as being a “loser” is concerned: some of the most admired people in the world used to have horrible lives and very little money. This is your life and the choices you make to upgrade it ought to be meaningful to you and no one else. I commend you for having a job and being independent—many people aren’t. I think your situation is a foundation to build upon. You can imagine what kind of life you want to have in the future, and then write down the tasks that have to be completed to reach that ultimate goal. I do this daily because my mind gets scattered sometimes and I need to do that physical act or speak affirmations aloud in order to keep focused. Other than that, I don’t think you should worry too much. Life is generally a series of adaptations to changing circumstances. The stuff that you’re concerned about now might not be a big deal 10 years from now.
In addition: I recommend reading Think and Grow Rich and Psycho-cybernetics. The authors of these books wrote about people who’s lives were changed based on epiphanies from their own minds. So give your mind the task of revealing some good ideas for improving your life and wait patiently for the information. Sometimes it comes to you after a few days of deep thinking and a good night’s sleep.
I HOPE YOU FIND YOUR WAY!
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
The Unbroken video had a profound message that’s meaningful to me:
“It doesn’t matter about what happened to you, what matters is:
What are you going to do about it?”"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
Anonymous0When I was younger and just learning about women, it was hugely satisfying to discover new things about them. Before MGTOW was even a thing, I used to sit and think about women a lot and why they do the things they do. I came to a lot of the realizations all of us here have come to about them. I realized the basics about how they love attention. I realized they like you more when you are a dick to them. I realized their sneaky, deceitful, and conniving ways, etc. I learned these things at a gradual pace over the years. I started off as a noob like every man does, making tons of mistakes. Buying them flowers, telling them sweet things, you name it. But I eventually graduated to where I am today, being able to see and cut through their bulls~~~ like a hot knife through butter within milliseconds.
But this topic isn’t about girls and the things all of us here have come to realize and understand about them. No, its about me. I am nearing my late 20’s and I have absolutely no direction in life. I’ve made some drastic mistakes in the past and I’ve ended up here at this point in my life with no goals, no ambitions, nothing. All the things I wanted to do as a career were always pipe dreams, and some of the more “realistic” goals were overlooked. I may have figured girls out, what makes them tick, how to get them to like you, etc. but you see, none of that s~~~ matters anymore and maybe it never did. Girls are essentially useless to me. I have their entire game figured out and I’m not interested in any of it. I feel like a martial artist who is a 9th dan black belt, but with no adversary to battle, no students to teach, and nothing to show for it. All this knowledge about girls is useless to me and only matters to horny PUA’s trying to get laid.
Life was so much easier back when the only cares I had in the world were figuring out how to make “_____” like me, what to text her, how to get laid, etc. Those days are long gone and things are much harder now. Women complicate things, but even without them I’m still struggling. I have no purpose in life and I’m just a wandering soul. School is bulls~~~ and a scam. Most jobs are slave factories with horrible wages. And to top it off I have no real useful skills. Trades are very expensive to learn and jobs aren’t even guaranteed. I have a bulls~~~ job and some money saved up, but neither of these things will allow me the financial freedom or sense of fulfillment I so desire. There must be a change in order for me to be happy but I don’t know what.
As an INTJ personality type, I am hugely creative (and very anti-social). But creating comics, being a writer, inventing a product, (the list goes on) are all things that require a bit of luck. Relying on these ideas to pay bills is not a viable strategy, unless you get lucky and your creation goes viral. Other than those strategies however, I really don’t see any other way I can ever live a happier life, and that kills me inside. I get more and more depressed as time goes on. Just envisioning myself working at my job for the foreseeable future is enough to make me want to call it quits, and its not the job that I’m referring to. I would also like to mention that I am entirely alone in my journey, and not even my family supports me. The only thing I can count on my family for is constantly shaming me, and gossiping among themselves about what a “loser” I am. I can count on them for that.
I often see a lot of helpful posts around these parts, particularly from SM, about real estate and coding. But I don’t even know how to get started with those. I also see investment advice but I’m a rookie with that too. Hopefully someone can give me some other strategies on what I can do with myself because lately this depression is tightening its grip on me.
Old thread, but what the hell. First off, on the career front:
Google “INTJ careers.” Print out a list of careers that are a natural fit for your personality type. Then go back to school for one of them. You don’t even have to like the subject. But if you have a knack for it, it’ll be that much easier to excel at it. And when you excel at something, you take an interest in it.
Personally, I followed my own advice. I got into my second career in my 30s, went to college for it, and it was a good fit for my personality type. I didn’t particularly love it, figured it was just for the sheepskin, but I excelled at it and made my way to the top of my field. At the top of the field, it was challenging enough that I got into it and enjoyed it for 25 years.
Second, on enjoying life:
Girls represented a challenge, and now you feel at loose ends without that challenge. So start exploring new challenges: Scuba diving, sky diving, weight lifting, running, salsa dancing, skeet shooting, whatever. Just try stuff. Even if you get bored with each new activity after a few months or a year, you’ll have some new experiences. After enough years, you’ll stumble onto a few things that you enjoy, and you’ll have had an interesting life.
Meantime, schedule in a half hour or an hour per day of a guilty pleasure, like on-line gaming. Just so you know that you’ll be doing at least one fun thing per day.
Third, I don’t know anything about the PTSD thing you mentioned in your most recent post. Seems like you could google that and see if PTSD includes occasional nightmares about the trigger incident. You didn’t really say how frequently the dreams occur. Might be nothing (just you dwelling on old regrets), or might be something. See a therapist for clarification if you want to go further into it. Most health plans will cover that, so it’s a freebie anyway.
Just generally: Find out what’s fun for you. Without women dictating what happens, you’re free to explore what *you* enjoy. So make your life about *you* rather than about women.
I grew mostly in Toronto up to grade 8 then I moved near Niagara falls. Toronto women tend to be more cold, it always been that way. I only knew a small handful of girls going out with a guy or having a relationship. Females were really cold until I moved out of Toronto. By high school it didn’t matter because married men told me to go my own way.
So to me there was no good old days. Mind you feminism probably wasn’t that big and only started to influence cities like Toronto."If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
I wish I could stay 18 forever too – with the knowledge I have now.
Unfortunately not in this life, but maybe in the promised land.
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