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When I was younger and just learning about women, it was hugely satisfying to discover new things about them. Before MGTOW was even a thing, I used to sit and think about women a lot and why they do the things they do. I came to a lot of the realizations all of us here have come to about them. I realized the basics about how they love attention. I realized they like you more when you are a dick to them. I realized their sneaky, deceitful, and conniving ways, etc. I learned these things at a gradual pace over the years. I started off as a noob like every man does, making tons of mistakes. Buying them flowers, telling them sweet things, you name it. But I eventually graduated to where I am today, being able to see and cut through their bulls~~~ like a hot knife through butter within milliseconds.
But this topic isn’t about girls and the things all of us here have come to realize and understand about them. No, its about me. I am nearing my late 20’s and I have absolutely no direction in life. I’ve made some drastic mistakes in the past and I’ve ended up here at this point in my life with no goals, no ambitions, nothing. All the things I wanted to do as a career were always pipe dreams, and some of the more “realistic” goals were overlooked. I may have figured girls out, what makes them tick, how to get them to like you, etc. but you see, none of that s~~~ matters anymore and maybe it never did. Girls are essentially useless to me. I have their entire game figured out and I’m not interested in any of it. I feel like a martial artist who is a 9th dan black belt, but with no adversary to battle, no students to teach, and nothing to show for it. All this knowledge about girls is useless to me and only matters to horny PUA’s trying to get laid.
Life was so much easier back when the only cares I had in the world were figuring out how to make “_____” like me, what to text her, how to get laid, etc. Those days are long gone and things are much harder now. Women complicate things, but even without them I’m still struggling. I have no purpose in life and I’m just a wandering soul. School is bulls~~~ and a scam. Most jobs are slave factories with horrible wages. And to top it off I have no real useful skills. Trades are very expensive to learn and jobs aren’t even guaranteed. I have a bulls~~~ job and some money saved up, but neither of these things will allow me the financial freedom or sense of fulfillment I so desire. There must be a change in order for me to be happy but I don’t know what.
As an INTJ personality type, I am hugely creative (and very anti-social). But creating comics, being a writer, inventing a product, (the list goes on) are all things that require a bit of luck. Relying on these ideas to pay bills is not a viable strategy, unless you get lucky and your creation goes viral. Other than those strategies however, I really don’t see any other way I can ever live a happier life, and that kills me inside. I get more and more depressed as time goes on. Just envisioning myself working at my job for the foreseeable future is enough to make me want to call it quits, and its not the job that I’m referring to. I would also like to mention that I am entirely alone in my journey, and not even my family supports me. The only thing I can count on my family for is constantly shaming me, and gossiping among themselves about what a “loser” I am. I can count on them for that.
I often see a lot of helpful posts around these parts, particularly from SM, about real estate and coding. But I don’t even know how to get started with those. I also see investment advice but I’m a rookie with that too. Hopefully someone can give me some other strategies on what I can do with myself because lately this depression is tightening its grip on me.
you need to read first:
1.) Man’s Search for Meaning
THEN
2.) How I Found Freedom in an Unfree Worldif you are not reading that first book within 5 minutes of reading this, then go f~~~ yourself.
but you see, none of that s~~~ matters anymore and maybe it never did. Girls are essentially useless to me. I have their entire game figured out and I’m not interested in any of it. I feel like a martial artist who is a 9th dan black belt, but with no adversary to battle, no students to teach, and nothing to show for it.
Ah, yes….
“When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain……
he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.”( Benefits of a classical education )
Man, you’re in your 20s? SMILE because that’s the decade for f~~~ ups. You’re allowed. A 45 year old man should shake the s~~~ out of you and get you to stop thinking like that. In 10 years you will read what you just wrote and not even be able to GRASP the mammoth possibility that lay before you. Pick yourself up. Dust yourself off. And open as many goddam doors for yourself as you can. Starting tomorrow. Are you f~~~ing listening to me? I don’t give a s~~~ if you are only “partially” interested in this….. or slightly interested in that…. DO IT ALL.
A man is not “rich” when he has money.
A man is rich when he has CHOICES.The poorest people are not poor because they don’t have money.
They are poor because they have no CHOICES.Get busy creating as many choices for yourself as you can.
Every door that is not locked,.. walk through it.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.When I was younger and just learning about women, it was hugely satisfying to discover new things about them. Before MGTOW was even a thing, I used to sit and think about women a lot and why they do the things they do. I came to a lot of the realizations all of us here have come to about them. I realized the basics about how they love attention. I realized they like you more when you are a dick to them. I realized their sneaky, deceitful, and conniving ways, etc. I learned these things at a gradual pace over the years. I started off as a noob like every man does, making tons of mistakes. Buying them flowers, telling them sweet things, you name it. But I eventually graduated to where I am today, being able to see and cut through their bulls~~~ like a hot knife through butter within milliseconds.
The thrill of the chase & pursuit for the one that will actually f~~~ing love & respect me made me waste years of my life. The mystery of will I find her? How long will it take? How will I know she is the one? And a whole myriad of other thoughts and feelings. Even now, with getting their attention, long after I no longer want it. It’s not even to little to late for me at this point. Pandora’s box has been opened & I have checked out of the whole vicious BS circle.
But this topic isn’t about girls and the things all of us here have come to realize and understand about them. No, its about me. I am nearing my late 20’s and I have absolutely no direction in life. I’ve made some drastic mistakes in the past and I’ve ended up here at this point in my life with no goals, no ambitions, nothing. All the things I wanted to do as a career were always pipe dreams, and some of the more “realistic” goals were overlooked. I may have figured girls out, what makes them tick, how to get them to like you, etc. but you see, none of that s~~~ matters anymore and maybe it never did. Girls are essentially useless to me. I have their entire game figured out and I’m not interested in any of it. I feel like a martial artist who is a 9th dan black belt, but with no adversary to battle, no students to teach, and nothing to show for it. All this knowledge about girls is useless to me and only matters to horny PUA’s trying to get laid.
How I wish I had this knowledge & wisdom when I was 20 yrs younger than what I am now. I would have all that time to accomplish what I am trying to piece together at this point. My own land, off the grid, with some rental properties generating capital. When one dream gets smashed to dust, another must take it’s place. At least for myself anyway. It sure beats just having that be a great big empty hole inside me. I consider the wisdom to be paramount, and it’s a bonus when I don’t have to use it…but I can’t avoid females 24/7 , so the situations do arise. How you feel like it’s useless, and only good for PUA’s is beyond my ability to fathom & comprehend.
Life was so much easier back when the only cares I had in the world were figuring out how to make “_____” like me, what to text her, how to get laid, etc. Those days are long gone and things are much harder now. Women complicate things, but even without them I’m still struggling. I have no purpose in life and I’m just a wandering soul. School is bulls~~~ and a scam. Most jobs are slave factories with horrible wages. And to top it off I have no real useful skills. Trades are very expensive to learn and jobs aren’t even guaranteed. I have a bulls~~~ job and some money saved up, but neither of these things will allow me the financial freedom or sense of fulfillment I so desire. There must be a change in order for me to be happy but I don’t know what.
I am unable to grasp how you reconcile it to be easier with all this bothering you currently, plus trying to figure out how to make “____” like you? Seems the opposite would hold true. One less thing to stress over. A sense of direction beats going around in circles feeling nothing is worth the effort. I understand everything else you said, and where you are coming from, but without a plan of action & setting yourself on a goal/path, how will you ever stop the wandering? I have been where you are, and I know the pain & all is a motherf~~~er. I wont lie or downplay it. Us men having to revamp to survive this s~~~storm we live in now is a tall order. Hands down. As you already stated the answer, correct you are ” There must be a change” and you must pick something you deem of value & worthy of you pursuit, so you can realize what it is that will make you happy.
As an INTJ personality type, I am hugely creative (and very anti-social). But creating comics, being a writer, inventing a product, (the list goes on) are all things that require a bit of luck. Relying on these ideas to pay bills is not a viable strategy, unless you get lucky and your creation goes viral. Other than those strategies however, I really don’t see any other way I can ever live a happier life, and that kills me inside. I get more and more depressed as time goes on. Just envisioning myself working at my job for the foreseeable future is enough to make me want to call it quits, and its not the job that I’m referring to. I would also like to mention that I am entirely alone in my journey, and not even my family supports me. The only thing I can count on my family for is constantly shaming me, and gossiping among themselves about what a “loser” I am. I can count on them for that.
You could always have this be a back up plan and/or secondary plan, after you get clarity on where you would like to see yourself in 5 yrs, 10 yrs, etc…from the last points I touched on. Then if this works out as well, it’s like a bonus. Whether you go the direction of comics, music, art or whatever, that allows you to fuel that creative passion. I used to feel alone as well, but then I found MGTOW, and many men I consider brothers in a common cause. As for your comment on calling it quits, I too once was close to the brink. Out of the posts I have made, I have touched on this often, and at times have gone in to some depth & detail on why I once was. I don’t wish to sound self serving, but I never take that statement lightly when I hear someone make it. May you continue to gain strength & resolve & your reasons for living, and overcome those thoughts/feelings or even urges to express them written or otherwise.
I often see a lot of helpful posts around these parts, particularly from SM, about real estate and coding. But I don’t even know how to get started with those. I also see investment advice but I’m a rookie with that too. Hopefully someone can give me some other strategies on what I can do with myself because lately this depression is tightening its grip on me.
Perhaps you could venture into owning vending machines. (soda & candy machines at apts) This may be easier to not only save up and invest in, but also quicker in generating capital for you then the real estate pursuit. As for real estate, I do know having some cash & serious high credit score to get it rolling seems to be the main road in getting it off the ground. Once that is in place, you can get a mortgage loan & buy a house (or duplex) then rent it out instead of living in it. Then you have 1 or 2 renters depending on what property you go for, paying you in rent. I am limited in my knowledge, and am currently working on how to actually get that rolling, once I get other things in place.
You have so much information & at such a young age…you could have so much more than what I have now at 46, if you play your cards right, so to speak.
Cheers
Trades are very expensive to learn and jobs aren’t even guaranteed.
Drive, bike or walk to the nearest construction site. Talk to the Men in charge. If you don’t find a job, go to the next nearest site.
You’ll start as a labourer if you don’t already have some background, but you will work your way up. By the time you are 40 you could be doing very well for yourself.
I have the same personality type as you. I found construction to be satisfying and challenging.
Real estate:
Once upon a time … I had a job with a good salary. Instead of blowing it all on toys and/or dating, I saved aggressively. I saved the money necessary for the down payment on a house. Instead of a house, I got a duplex, and lived in one unit and rented the other. The rent covered the bulk of the mortgage. My cost of housing was less than the apartment I lived in before moving. I plowed the surplus into savings.
My fun things were low cost things, such as camping, martial arts classes, and reading. I’m not made of wood, but fun need not be a money waster.
When I had enough equity, I used it to buy another multi-unit apartment. Then, I had two places that supported themselves and generated equity.
I met carpenters, school teachers, mechanics, and quite a few others who did exactly this. It can be done by anyone with a steady income. Key points: It won’t work in high cost areas where mortgages are far higher than rents. It won’t work if your girlfriend wants a dream home.
My local library had heaps of books on real estate and how to be a landlord. I made full use of it.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
A 45 year old man should shake the s~~~ out of you and get you to stop thinking like that.
I shook as much as my keyboard would allow.
I got to a point like that back when i was 17ish. I had too many choices, and they all seemed pointless due to the “whats the point?” train of thought.
The best thing to do is take a trip, the further the better. The world is not the same everywhere, culture yourself. Enjoy yourself. It might even help you to reprioritize your life goals.
Boxing4life, you are not alone. I for one don’t miss the whole “girls are the center of the universe”. F~~~’em. “I” am the one who defines “MY” life and nobody else!
One of the pivotal elements of feminine sexuality has to do with why women prefer men who are much larger than them. Most women need a man who is at least in the 200lbs weight range, they say that they feel as if big men can really “drive it home”. What does this really mean?
You have to be very careful how and where you talk about this, but at a deep primal level of their minds the sexual act of a man mounting them in a missionary style sexual embrace is interpreted in a manner that can be analogous to an act of violence.
Think about what it must feel like to a woman, probably no more than 130-150 lbs at most, to be laying beneath a 200lbs man. In the back of their minds they are very aware that they have surrendered all real control, they can only ride the event out. Now in reality this may not entirely be the case, most men would never want to harm a woman under any circumstance, but rare is the woman who can be satisfied by a man they don’t find physically imposing.
What I’m saying is, if they can’t realize what their own inner nature is, why should I give them the time of day? I may have room for women in my life at some later point; but I will make absolutely certain that they know who is calling the shots. In other words; let me be frank…. I’ll consider having a harem of handpicked beautiful, and interesting foreign women, if and when I can afford them. Otherwise women in general can go to hell! If that means I need to have my assets safely hidden away in other countries, and never allow my women to come to the west, well so be it. I’ll be damned if I allow a woman to ruin me!
Anyway, what you are going through is a transitional process. When you dump out the expectations of an illusory society, so wrapped up in it’s narcissistic delusions it cant realize that is is alienating the very source of it’s creative process; you will eventually develop your own way of being. This is more precious than you can imagine, but will be fraught with struggle and strife. The pressures of the rest of society try to force you to be a conformist, to “man up” no matter the lack of incentive.
I know very much how you feel about calling it quits, I myself wonder all the time if it’s really worthwhile to carry on? I live my life one moment at a time, determined to live free or f~~~ing die. As I see it there is the possibility for “things” to work out, I’ll only know if I keep going. I draw the line at outright tyranny though. I’d seriously rather die than submit. So far nobody has called me on it, as a matter of fact I keep seeing the “rodents” as I call them scurry away whenever I decide I’ve had enough. Apparently survival means something to them.
I might have more to say later, just thought I’d share my thoughts.
Recently I got past the redpill rage and the apathy is wearing off for me as well. I realized that all the sexual instincts can be put into other stuff. For example the thinking about women, I still do that all the time. But I can put that into hobbies and interests. And I can focus on my other instincts to distract from my sex drive. What I mean is that I have the drives for comfort, food, peace of mind, interesting things etc and they are just as powerful as the sex drive. So if I focus on them I can lead a fulfilling life and I am totally free from women.
At the end of the day, giving up one thing which is emotional relationships with women is a small price to pay for freedom.I appreciate all the advice guys, but blowing a job that would’ve eventually made me 100k a year is just something that is impossible to overcome. People always say “everyone makes mistakes” but I believe they say that if the “mistake” in question is a minor one. Something like putting a dent in the car or blowing a small amount of cash. But what I did? Sorry but that’s just too big of a mistake. I just can’t ever get over it. I don’t think anything will ever cure me. I really don’t know what the future holds for me but its not looking up. I am completely hopeless and depressed and suicidal right now. I don’t even want to do anything really. Thanks though but nothing short of winning the lottery will ever bury this mistake.
For a MGTOW to look back on the ‘good old days’ and miss vagina, is no different than a drug addict missing the good old days of snorting cocaine.
Women’s pheromones can be as addicting as a drug. But that addiction has been shown to be able to be broken with the insight and perspective from previous experiences with the magical hole known as the vagina as well as a combination of logic, reason and MGTOW principles.
I appreciate all the advice guys, but blowing a job that would’ve eventually made me 100k a year is just something that is impossible to overcome. People always say “everyone makes mistakes” but I believe they say that if the “mistake” in question is a minor one. Something like putting a dent in the car or blowing a small amount of cash. But what I did? Sorry but that’s just too big of a mistake. I just can’t ever get over it. I don’t think anything will ever cure me. I really don’t know what the future holds for me but its not looking up. I am completely hopeless and depressed and suicidal right now. I don’t even want to do anything really. Thanks though but nothing short of winning the lottery will ever bury this mistake.
This forum is full of second (and third) chance stories. From real men, out there, in the trenches every day. You’re not a special snowflake, you’re not the first man to have to choke down a giant s~~~burger.
So you have a cloud of bad karma that’s gonna follow you around for a while. Look, up there, see it? Yup, still there, no change. It’s ok to say ‘f~~~ it’ and move forward. You don’t have to pummel yourself with guilt and regret, it achieves nothing, especially not redemption.
We could spit a million ideas at you, you’d probably find fault with them all. You’ve already looked at a million ways to get out of this hole, nothing seems to fit. Hence you’re current helplessness. Want to know why this is happening to you? Mindset.
Binge these type of vids on youtube until they start to click. Get your mind right and the rest will follow. These videos are right, I promise you this. Get your ass up bro. The good s~~~ starts right now if you’ve the b~~~~ and the heart to take the first step.
We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda
Hey, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Lucifer made a great point in watching motivational videos. Get outside and back in nature, cherish the little things. Catch the sunrise everyday this week. Stop dwelling or listening to sad music that brings you down. Start writing s~~~ out. Start writing down things you have done, accomplishments you are proud of and where you see yourself in the future. I’ve met so many people that have changed careers halfway through life, this is totally fine. Don’t be down about not being locked into a certain career, other doors will open. Weather this storm and build strong roots emotionally and mentally so that as you continue throughout life, suffering is lessened and you can find more aspects of it to enjoy. We’re all dead men walking. Your consciousness has spent 14 BILLION years traveling through space and time to get to this 70-80 year window where you are the literal universe looking back at itself. Shed the worries of this world like a cicada beetle. Find that small flame of love in your heart and start flooding that bitch. There’s an old Native American story where an elder was asked how she had become so wise, so happy and so respected. She answered: “In my heart, there are two wolves: a wolf of love and a wolf of hate. It all depends on which one I feed each day.”
My best advice to beat depression would be to start looking into Buddhism and find a cause worth standing up for that is more important than yourself. Sometimes when we are at our lowest, finding a driving force to focus on helps pull you out of the depths of depression. Having the current mindset you have, even winning the lottery, you don’t have your roots firmly placed into the ground. Hence, you will suffer again and possibly even more greatly in the future.
Anonymous0As an INTJ personality type, I am hugely creative (and very anti-social). But creating comics, being a writer, inventing a product, (the list goes on) are all things that require a bit of luck. Relying on these ideas to pay bills is not a viable strategy, unless you get lucky and your creation goes viral. Other than those strategies however, I really don’t see any other way I can ever live a happier life, and that kills me inside. I get more and more depressed as time goes on. Just envisioning myself working at my job for the foreseeable future is enough to make me want to call it quits, and its not the job that I’m referring to. I would also like to mention that I am entirely alone in my journey, and not even my family supports me. The only thing I can count on my family for is constantly shaming me, and gossiping among themselves about what a “loser” I am. I can count on them for that.
I’m an INTJ personality type as well. I feel ya. 16 year old MGTOW here, it gets very depressing at times, but I’ve always been alone. I feed off of being alone. I am came out of mother’s uterus alone and as a virgin, alone and as a virgin I shall die.
As an INTJ personality type…
I’ve cautioned others in the past about the MBTI and I’ll take the opportunity to caution you two as well.
While I’ve no doubt you two are sincere in beliefs, I equally have no doubt that you’re both self-diagnosed thanks to on-line test posted by well-meaning simpletons. You are not INJTs. You are both complete human beings with all the potentials inherent in that. You are not some simplistic f~~~ing label..
Real psychiatrists, psychologists, and neuroscientists view the MBTI as little more than “fortune cookie” psychiatry. The retest reliability of the MBTI, that is whether you get the same results when taking the test again, is notoriously low. When formally studied, the MBTI routinely fails to produce convincing validity data.
I’ll sum up with a statement about the MBTI from a fairly recent issue of Nature which dealt with career counseling: “… the MBTI continues to be popular because many people lack psychometric sophistication, it is not difficult to understand, and there are many supporting books, websites and other useful sources which are readily available to the general public.”
In other words, the test is popular because it’s everywhere, it’s easy for simpletons to “understand”, and too few people know enough about either psychology or statistics to detect the test’s many flaws.
Don’t handcuff yourselves to a label. Be men and go your own way no matter what some on-line quiz has to say.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
lucifer , that video was awesome ! thank you brother-man , ..i’m sharing that with my friends right now ..
What what the the f~~~ f~~~?
Sorry, one was not enough.
You dont miss the times when girls mattered the most, you miss the times when YOU thought you could matter to them!
Because that is the only reason the mattered to you.You have no direction because you are living in the past, thinking about things you wanted back then instead of the things you want right now. Your Biology is telling you that if you are not chasing good looking women, you dont need to do anything, so now you get to do what you want.
And here is the best part: by doing what you like you will attract people similar to you, instead of pretending to be someone else just to get to bed with someone (you can still do that, its easier than it seems).
I appreciate all the advice guys, but blowing a job that would’ve eventually made me 100k a year is just something that is impossible to overcome. People always say “everyone makes mistakes” but I believe they say that if the “mistake” in question is a minor one. Something like putting a dent in the car or blowing a small amount of cash. But what I did? Sorry but that’s just too big of a mistake. I just can’t ever get over it. I don’t think anything will ever cure me. I really don’t know what the future holds for me but its not looking up. I am completely hopeless and depressed and suicidal right now. I don’t even want to do anything really. Thanks though but nothing short of winning the lottery will ever bury this mistake.
Hey Boxing4Life,
Money is not important as long as you spend wisely and develop hobbies that are cost effective. The fact that your are Mgtow saves a lot of money. I’m guessing you don’t want kids…. That saves a lot of money. Don’t worry about the 100K job. You have more freedom than the people who work 9-5, slaves to their wifes, and mortgages. Stay positive. There was this one incident when I was a teenager where I was very very close to suicide. You are not alone my friend. Life is worth living.Are you feeling better since your last post on this thread……Sept 27 ??
CheersMGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
Being in your late 20’s and not sure about your direction is totally normal if you have not allowed life and other people to dictate your options. Don’t feel that pressure to be all done searching and down to an established routine by 30 should have any control on your life.
The idea that everyone will have a solid some grand epiphany and “find themselves” sounds good, but it is bulls~~~, and it just serves to make men feel bad about themselves. If you are moving in some direction that pleases you, f~~~ everyone else. It’s none of their business,
If you try a lot of things you’ll probably find something you can be good at. That’s important, If you spend your life trying things, that is great too. Wonderful, actually. You are under NO obligation to to be stable and steady and predictable unless you either create that obligation within yourself (your own goals) or surrender and let outside forces dictate your goals (wife, mortgage, kids, alimony, child support). You can make your own way, on your own terms, for your own reasons. Your reasons are NOT less legitimate than struggling to meet the expectations of our twisted society."I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin
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