I changed my mind

[AstroParticipant 2045]

I wasn’t going to start anymore posts for awhile but it seems some things need to be cleared up as the backlash continues. First, I will admit that I can see where some of the things I wrote could be taken the wrong way. So I changed my mind, I have to defend myself. Staying silent over this isn’t helping and makes me feel like a coward. Now, as far as some of the charges against me:

1) I had no intent on stirring s~~~ up. I didn’t realize that MGTOW had been falsely accused of being a “Hate group” by idiots like the Southern Poverty Law Center. However, I should have guessed and took it into consideration. I pushed a button for some of you without knowing it, my bad.

2) I never stated that I spoke for all MGTOW, no one really could if they wanted to. We are not like the SJW’s that scream in rehearsed rants in sync on their soapboxes, we are individual men and are allowed different opinions in MGTOW. We have our NAWALT’s (or used to be), AWALT’s, bumps, monks ect.. and are free to be what we wish. Am I correct?

3) I have been called a “vagina” and “mangina” repeatedly. What would you have me do? Should I post a nude pic of myself on MGTOW holding up two forms of picture ID? I’m going on 54 years old, does anyone REALLY want to see that? I am also a veteran and have been through the fire with two marriages and much more, why do I need to prove myself to anyone now? I have been in a (halfway) video chat with a few MGTOW members and I don’t think they considered me a vagina or mangina but like I just said, I cannot speak for all MGTOW.

4) After a lifetime of mistaking blue pills for cereal every morning, I probably AM f~~~ed in the head! That’s why I came to MGTOW. People come here because of just that, many like me on the ledge of a very permanent solution. I am sorting out my distrust for modern women without hating them and that is why I made the post “I do not hate women” as well as others. I do not wish to hate but the bitterness is there. I would think MGTOW members would understand that above anyone else but as I said, I didn’t explain myself well. I need MGTOW desperately but now, I am walking on eggshells to avoid being accused of s~~~ by some members (not all) and I’m not very good at it. Still, I know I belong here and I’m not going to walk away from walking away.

5) As I have stated before, MGTOW is my counselling and as so, it isn’t difficult to say too much about oneself. I suppose I am guilty of that and one member really let me have it. In 1971, I was diagnosed Dyslexic and Hyperactive. I do far better now but there are times I still reverse letters and it isn’t easy to explain to others that I have too many thoughts going through my head at once. Today, I would be considered ADHD and one member attacked me over that. Times have changed. Back in 1971, if one had a problem, one could hardly get help if they needed it. Today they want to jam ritalin down every kids throat just for being a kid, there has got to be a happy medium somewhere. I can imagine some of you ready to criticize now and that is your right, my own father did. I am more than used to it, I have heard it since I was 7 years old but just remember that I also have the right to fight back. Even so, you are still my brother in MGTOW.

Now that I have written this book, I will shut up but I had to explain myself. Peace to all.

[Sparticus66Participant 508]

Great to have you, and welcome.
We don’t always agree with each other on here and why should we? Its not a cult. We come here because we want the freedom to be who we are without the blue pill indoctrination of society. So once again, welcome.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Brother,

Relax. Men have strong opinions.

I haven’t seen those posts but FYI everyone thought I was a chick when I started…Jan, really?

You don’t have to apologize to your brothers. We understand.

As far as I’m concerned, you are welcome here.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

For the record, I have spoken with Sparky personally and he immediately struck me a very nice and uncomplicated guy. I’m surprised to see any friction of any kind, and this comes as a surprise, because he’s just not the type.

Conversely, MGTOW is a tough crowd that doesn’t screw around, so don’t confuse DIRECTNESS and “tough love” with “hostility” or a problematic fiction. Too much of the world is so high on themselves with feelzies, that when you give it to them un-sugarcoated, they get all uncomfortable and think they are being “attacked “. This is no place for sensitivity.

@sparky is AOK, and he reached out to us on day one.
PLEASE go easy on the guy.

It’s a pleasure to have you here @sparky and thanks for feeling comfortable enough to unload a few rounds. That’s what the forums are for. But its’ also not a shooting range, so if you feel like you’re “under fire” by others, just let us know and well buffer if we can.

Err on the side of compassion and understanding, because the rest of the world won’t.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 11]

Astro wrote:

I have to defend myself. Staying silent over this isn’t helping and makes me feel like a coward. Now, as far as some of the charges against me:

Good, that’s the spirit! We are rough but kind so welcome.

I was called tuna in my intro post based on my handle making me a suspected feminist infiltrator which makes perfect sense. I’ve been called tuna on two other occasions too.

@jan: I knew who Jan Sobieski was. We need another one.

[Johnny84Participant 192]

If Keymaster has spoken with you, you’re OK in my book. Some topics are just very low tolerances ie: MGTOWers hate Women. We hear it enough and we’re just kind of sick of hearing the same old. Some things you just need to have a better understanding of before posting. A lot of guys here have some real battle scars.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Astro wrote:

I am sorting out my distrust for modern women without hating them and that is why I made the post “I do not hate women” as well as others. I do not wish to hate but the bitterness is there. I would think MGTOW members would understand that above anyone else

WE DO!

But you also need to understand that making an overture declaration is “explaining oneself” and apologizing which is a fundamental no-no (in a way) and not even necessary. OK so maybe you feel a need to say it. But how freeing is it when you realize there is no “need” to say it at all?

You know who “hates women” more than you ever will??

— >> OTHER WOMEN.

They don’t feel bad about it either. They kill their own. Women will claw each other’s eyes out for the last handbag 50% off. Beauty pageant contestants put needles in each other’s dresses for Christ’s sake. So unless you use women as a pin cushion , you’re off the hook. You’ll never see a man treat women as badly as women treat each other – or even themselves.

You can talk about the unjust treatment you experienced at the hands of you ex-wife as much as you like. No judgement. Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. You don’t EVER need to explain it away. There’s a big difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO to men. You’re not required to take it quietly.

Johnny84 wrote:

We hear it enough and we’re just kind of sick of hearing the same old.

Exactly.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

Go EASY on YOURSELF !!

It also may help to read a lil more and comment on some threads before posting your own threads until you get the hang of it.

It’s NOT hard, but you learn kind of HOW to say things because things like your “intent” and “sarcasm” don’t always come across and can lead to misunderstandings.

Keep reading, Keep commenting, Keep posting, it will all work itself out.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Billy&The CloneasaurusParticipant]

Welcome man. I think it’s important that new members are given the benefit of the doubt, unless they clearly/unambiguously demonstrate trolling and tuna-like behaviour. That being said, a level of vigilance against this is to be expected to keep this place for men only. Women can’t handle places exclusively for men. It drives the hamster into overdrive.

I believe this place saves men’s lives…so welcome sir!

The answer, is no.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Well, I have not had a problem with you Sparky, but this seemingly constant need for attention and seeking victim status is not endearing me to you.
We are here to help men. If you need help ask. This isn’t all about you. Please stop with the “I am not posting threads anymore because…” and “I changed my mind…” threads.
Women do that s~~~ – the constant mood updates and Fishing for praise and validation.

You are not going to get along with everyone. I had a well established member tell me out of the blue that he will never get along with me… never even told me what the problem was… fine, so be it. His prerogative. I didn’t bog the board down with threads about the injustice of it all.

Surely you can post a part of your story to help other men and win the trust of your critics, instead of all of this posturing.

Good luck and welcome.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Many of us have been where you are: raw emotions can come across in a manner other than what was intended. I’ve ripped so many negative female traits but I’m also not reluctant to discuss positive relationships Ive had with females. And I’ve had a few that I’ve really enjoyed. Women are different and are wired that way – they just are. For me the issues are more the facilitating and acceptance by modern society of the worst female traits. You know we joke around here sometimes and call younger women (millennial age and younger) “snowflakes”. Well maybe us MGTOW are more like snowb~~~~. We gather strength and mass as we roll through life and and if picked up and tossed around – the well made ones remain in one piece.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Good for you for staying, proof enough to ME at any rate that you’re not a mangina. I would suggest that if you’re about to write something and you realize it might sound like feminist bulls~~~, err on the side of caution 🙂 Also, speaking out to clear up a misunderstanding is MUCH BETTER than the silent treatment. That just makes people more suspicious, especially since it’s fundamentally a female tactic.

Thanks for your story. Sorry to hear it sounds like you’ve been through some hard times. You’re not alone here!

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

LOL..We guys fight and bruise each other raw but we are still brothers…We may not agree with everyone but that is MGTOW..Each to his own…A lot of guys here including me are still in red pill rage and any inkling that a tuna has infiltrated this sacred safe haven for men is really going to p~~~ off a lot of guys. This is the last bastion of manhood we can find and I for one wont stand for a tuna destroying it when they have destroyed everything in my life including identity,my sense of worth, my self esteem, my trust and my confidence…
Hope you understand…I still havent called anyone tuna and I dislike some of my brothers here for their views but each of us is going our own way and that binds us together…We are MEN, we know the world is harsh and not everyone is going to like us…At the end, after a fight we share a beer together and that is that…Brothers united…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Men know how to be friends and women don’t. Nuff said. Let’s move on. +1 Sparky.

[Anonymous 42]

They don’t call him Sparky for nothing!

[joetechParticipant]

Us crotchety old coots get that way sometimes. The rest of you can just deal with it. Hell, we’ve all had women and manginas in our lives. That would turn anyone sour.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

you hung in there – that’s b~~~~.
Here is a hint
Next time a man confronts you start with ‘Go f~~~ yourself’
it works better than trying to explain yourself.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Anonymous 6]

For what it’s worth I spoke with Mr. Sparky on one of the video chats. He is legit. He’s a guy and actually has been through a bit. Take this for what it’s worth.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Anonymous wrote:

For what it’s worth I spoke with Mr. Sparky on one of the video chats. He is legit. He’s a guy and actually has been through a bit. Take this for what it’s worth.

It’s a good endorsement. Sparky is young and gonna learn how men from the Dirty Harry era communicate. That’s not a bad thing.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[WallyParticipant]

Glad your here Sparky, we are all going our different ways,sometimes that leads to disagreements at times but respectively.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

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