Howdy from Texas

[76binderParticipant 20]

I have been a MGHOW all my life I guess, but have just recently found the term, and a venue to discuss the topic.

I am from Texas and have lived here my whole life, but have traveled extensively.

I am divorced, I know shocker huh? Recently engaged to a rare woman that is a feminist, and totally agrees with the MGTOW, ideology. Kind of a “if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander.” Philosophy. It’s refreshing. <span style=”font-size: 16px; line-height: 1.5;”>So fear not, there really are good women out there that “get it.” Not many though.</span>

I consider myself unbelievably lucky. Had I not found her I would not be in a long term nor even quasi permanent relationship with anyone of the opposite sex.

I am so looking forward to discussion and debate with others who see the imbalance in society where traditional gender roles are concerned.

Looking forward to getting to know all of you. Ask me anything, you’ll likely get an answer! I defy lot’s of stereotypes, and generally love life and my choices. I’m a registered nurse because I love doing it. I enjoy cooking, because I love doing it. So some people assume I’m a big push over, and hen pecked. Nothing is farther from the truth. My significant other is also a nurse, so we both bring home bacon in equal measure. We don’t “need” each other for anything. We simply love the company and sex.

I totally get why men are staying away from marriage in droves. I simply won the lottery, and found a rational, logical woman that truly believes in equality. Otherwise I would not be in a relationship with 99% of the users… err… women out there. I have utmost respect for those who show it. Most women don’t even have a clue, and there is no social pressure to get one. Then men are blamed for opting out of their no win scenario.

We should all have the freedom to pursue happiness in this life. Free from the perceived obligation to sacrifice all of your own choices, to make a woman happy. If you aren’t happy on your own, no one else is going to do it for you. Making a woman or anyone else for that matter is not my job. Only I can make me happy and fulfilled, I don’t need a woman in my life to have that. I just happen to find one that feels exactly the same way.

Looking forward to responses and getting to know you all.

 

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

Ummm…yeah. There’s no such thing as a “MGTOW-supporting feminist”.

And “rational, logical woman” is never something you can find in the same sentence. Unless you’re talking about women that LACK such things.

And you’re engaged to this woman? Sorry to say it, pal, but once you decide to sign a legal, binding contract with her, you’ll find that the sex is disappearing, her “support on MGTOW” views are gone, and rational and logical views that you find that she has has gone straight down the f~~~ing toilet. And you wouldn’t be a MGTOW anymore. Married MGTOW do not exist, despite the outcries from whiny married men who THINK they’re going their own way, and then have to cut the argument short because they gotta go to the store to buy bath oils for Cupcake so she doesn’t get angry.

You’ve been sold a bill of goods, pal. Women are GREAT actresses. They can play the part of the “loving, supporting, rational, logical, sexed-up” woman, right up until the ring is on her finger and your name is on the dotted line of the contract.

In case you haven’t heard, marriage is a BUSINESS, a WEALTH TRANSFER to the woman’s name. The fact that you even said “I’m engaged to a feminist” on a MGTOW forum board and not talking about dumping the bitch makes everyone want to f~~~ing bolt for the doors. Feminists don’t give a S~~~ about men. When you mentioned MGTOW to her and that she “supports” it, 100 percent most likely, she’s thinking, “Awwww, isn’t that cute? The loser men all have a little club talking about how they don’t want to get involved with women anymore. And my fiancee is one of them! I’ll just smile and play along for now, but once he marries me, I’ll put his loser ass in line and we’ll see WHO is REALLY in charge!”

Might want to think about that. And welcome to the forums…for the limited time that you’ll be on here, I’m sure.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

76binder wrote:

I am divorced, I know shocker huh? Recently engaged to a rare woman that is a feminist, and totally agrees with the MGTOW, ideology. Kind of a “if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander.”

Dude, RUN…. don’t wait do it now, you’ll thank me later. No feminist gives the first iota of a f~~~ about ANY man. You just think she cares because she hasn’t got you locked down yet with a ring and a contact. Mark my words, when she does…. well like Forrest Gump, just like that your runnin’ days are over.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[Anonymous 42]

MGTOW + FEMINIST = WEARY MGTOW + MARRIAGE = DEAD MGTOW….

[Anonymous 11]

I wouldn’t let a feminist lick the sweat from my b~~~~

mgtow_85 wrote:

I consider myself unbelievably lucky. Had I not found her I would not be in a long term nor even quasi permanent relationship with anyone of the opposite sex.

You are not LUCKY, there is no such thing as luck especially with womyn. You are addicted to an illusion. You will regret this. Feminist = “MAN HATER”, and you, sir, are a challenge to her. Run before the barn door closes. You know she’s a feminist.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 5]

@76binder;

Hello there, you sound like me only a few years ago. Read my intro “no such thing as a unicorn.”

I am not dispensing legal advice, just simply my experience with these matters. Like a child touching the hot stove, you have to get burned to learn from the experience. You will have to make up your own mind. I am simply offering you a likely outcome.

Marriage changes the balance of power, and the dynamics. While you might be economically equal at this point, it does not mean it will stay that way. If you were to have children, custody and support tends to be weighted towards your wife by default. I have seen this game before – first child come along; child care responsibilities cause her to reduce her hours of work. Now she has posted a material loss. She will have her proverbial foot on your neck for the rest of your life. If you don’t meet her expectations, or she gets bored, or if she was just using you to fulfill her biological need, she will have the ammunition to make your life hell. Depending on where you live, she will get sole custody of the children, spousal support, the matrimonial home to maintain a stable environment for the best interest of the children. Plus, your fiancée is educated, and by your own admissions a feminist – high likelihood of a basement apartment in your future.

Be very cautious, she might be playing possum. If things are so great, continue on just enjoying each other’s company without a property rights contact. Marriage will not keep her with you – trust me – I learned that lesson. It matters not how fantastic a human you might be.

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

Anonymous wrote:

I wouldn’t let a feminist lick the sweat from my b~~~~

mgtow_85 wrote:

I consider myself unbelievably lucky. Had I not found her I would not be in a long term nor even quasi permanent relationship with anyone of the opposite sex.

You are not LUCKY, there is no such thing as luck especially with womyn. You are addicted to an illusion. You will regret this. Feminist = “MAN HATER”, and you, sir, are a challenge to her. Run before the barn door closes. You know she’s a feminist.

Dude, what the f~~~??? You’re quoting me in s~~~ that I NEVER even said???

“Quasi permanent”??? I barely know what the f~~~ that means, much less how to use it in a sentence! Unless there is another “mgtow 85” on this forum, I’m getting sick of people changing and twisting my quotes around into s~~~ that I never even said. You can quote YOURSELF on this s~~~. Not try to say that it was something that I posted.

[OasidParticipant 116]

Welcome 76Binder

If I found myself in a similar situation I would take the advice given here and not get married. If two people enjoy being together they can be together without the marriage contract. Love is a feeling and can’t be put on paper.

May the Force Be With You

[Anonymous 11]

@mgtow_85: Chill there buddy, it’s just a bug in site. I quoted from OP, but it “credited” you. It’ll get fixed. I’ve notified Key.

I deal with IT so bugs are part of my life so do not interpret my answer as flippant. I agree it’s confusing as hell.

@Key: I’m running Chrome on Win 8.1 Pro all fully updated and did draw quote from OP.

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

Everybody and their mother thinks they are better at something then everybody else or that they are lucky or that it will never happen to them.  That you’re lucky and you can pick them blah blah blah self enhancement bias.

If I told you 55% of sky divers die on their first dive, would you do it?

If I said, hey man 54% of people who run with the bulls in Spain get gored and die of septicemia, would you chance it?

Well over 50% of marriages end in divorce, with over 70% initiated by women.

YOU’RE NOT SPECIAL OR UNIQUE!!! WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IT CAN ONLY END TWO WAYS MATHEMATICALLY.

Please think about what your doing, stay engaged but don’t ever get married.  Cohabitation is best its like being married but you can walk away at any time.  I’m not trying to scold you or condone your decisions, but if or when it ends badly and she wakes up and says, “I love you but im not in love with you,” you have no one to blame but yourself for getting married, cohabiting you can walk away mostly unscathed.

 

Think long and hard, make a spreadsheet and calculate the negatives and positives if it helps to make a decision.

As a gentlemen above said, you cannot be married and MGTOW, it doesn’t exist and IMO neither does being gay and MGTOW, its just rhetoric and utter BS in my humble opinion.

Think long and hard is all I can say, this decision is prob one of the biggest you will make with regards to your life, marriage is a death sentence sometimes, they either fry you or your bank account or if you’re really unlucky both.

Good Luck

 

[Anonymous 11]

ComingInHot wrote:

YOU’RE NOT SPECIAL OR UNIQUE!!! WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IT CAN ONLY END TWO WAYS MATHEMATICALLY.

@cominginhot: I’ve test quoted this as there are no posts between you and my quote as there was when I quoted the OP. I’m trying to provide Key another case to smoke out a possible bug. Also, it’s damn true too.

I don’t know why guys come here to show off these deep cover unicorns. We call them unicorns for a reason.

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

 

Everyone wants a unicorn and to ride pegasus the flying horse, ive riden the female pegasus/unicorn, the ride is indeed fun, its the fact she throws you off at 22,500 ft altitude with no parachute that sucks, it is not the ride nor the fall that hurts, its the sudden stop!

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

I don’t know why guys come here to show off these deep cover unicorns. We call them unicorns for a reason.

Expect to see a lot of this in the future. Naïvety or infiltration? You be the judge.

MGTOW-friendly Feminism is a joke. I would never associate with anybody who calls themselves a feminist.

 

 

 

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[76binderParticipant 20]

Thanks for the warm welcome from Men Only Going Your Way. Narrow minded much? To not like feminists you bitch just like them. Not even a dozen posts and two of you are already attacking each other. So much for solidarity I guess. The rest of you make wild assumptions without even fact finding, or getting any detail first. This is a get to know you section, not a presume I know all about you or have earned the right to say s~~~ about my life yet.

The responders so far seem more narrow minded than a Baptist preacher on coke.

So if I may have the floor back from the armchair quarterbacks….

We are not, nor probably ever will get a marriage license. We have a domestic partnership agreement that works a lot like a prenup. We own 2 homes, 2 cars, and not 1 piece of property is in both our names. My s~~~ is my s~~~, her s~~~ is her s~~~. I use the term fiancé because we long term cohabitators so it’s more than just girlfriend, but no legal commitment. We both want, and will keep it this way until one of us wants to leave. Either of us is free to do so at any time. Also she is bi, so the only dalliance we have are mutual with other women.

As far as ” friendships” go she hates most women, and most her friends are my guy friends. A true feminist is not a man hater, man haters just hijacked the concept. Seems the same has happened here. Fortunately I am active on other mgtow forums and with a local group that meets in person. So I do know your bad attitudes are not pandemic.

If we want to be taken seriously as a movement the radicalism makes you look cromagnon not manly. A real man can fight with his mind as well as his fists.

Saying I’m not a man going my own way because it is not your path… pathetic. You think I won’t be around long because you think you can bully someone who is a free thinker. I am the embodiment of being the master of my path. I’m under no obligation to any bitch or YOU, to justify my decisions. If I don’t want to do anything for they day I f~~~ing don’t. If I want to get on one of my motorcycles and disappear for 2 weeks I f~~~ing do it.

The whole idea of independence, autonomy, self reliance, and freedom of choice is to be free to pursue what makes you happy. Guess what ass hats, I’m awesome in that category. If someone else comes along to f~~~ that up they’re history regardless of what does or doesn’t swing from their crotch. Wake up, and think a new thought.

You assume I’m young and naive. I’m probably older and I know I have more life experience than most of you. I work critical care, and crisis management, have for 15 years. I handle more stress before lunch than you process in a year. Bullys don’t bother me, and I’m sure as f~~~ not scared of women, which seems most of you are. Hatred is born of fear. Sure they do f~~~ed up s~~~ and cause anger in us, and I LOVE venting about it, but I don’t hate all women on principle, only the ones that have f~~~ed me over personally.

Here’s the thing. If you are happy going stag your whole life, and are happy that way. Come over for a beer, by all rights I should be there with ya. Stag is a much better situation than locked in with a bitch. You should always do what works for you. “All models are wrong, some are simply useful.” -Einstein.

My situation is unique for now. Will it change? maybe. Life is always changing, adapt or die. If I opted out tomorrow I would lose nothing. By staying I get a smorgasbord of pussy, and I’m still footloose and fancy free. Why the hell would I leave just to pander to some sore ass hats on a forum? I didn’t get myself in my current situation by being naive or stupid. I’m also not so frail of heart or weak of character to not know when and how to leave. When I do it will be to greener pastures and better things. Hate what you don’t understand all you want, I don’t mind being the bad guy, frankly I enjoy it. If me being rediculously happy p~~~es you off, good. Re-examine your own life choices, but I have the ultimate proof I have superior decision making capacity. I’m happier and more successful than the 9-5 hen pecked stiffs, or the scared of women man/boys who think talking big on a forum, then fapping off before going to sleep is the only road a man should travel.

Now if we want to continue with some civilized intelligent introductions, and decent, respectful debate. I’m all for it. So far I’ve seen a big shortage in the respect department. Honor and respect are core values in men for earning the right to have a f~~~ given about you. From men who supposedly are for solidarity and unity in fighting a gynocentric societal filosophy. Can any of you engage in intelligent debate with the grown ups, or is this just Jr. High quality pups that can’t p~~~ off the porch yet?

 

 

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

@76binder: Married men, women, feminists and their enablers cannot be men going their own way. This is not being narrow-minded. It’s just logical.

 

This is a male space and men do argue, dissent, misunderstand and disagree. This is not an indication of lack of solidarity. You seem to think like a woman though.

 

As for the rest of your post, I see a lot of shaming language and name calling: real men, bitching, armchair quarterbacks, Jr. High quality pups, ass hats, scared of women man/boys, and so on. WTF are you, a woman? When the guys advise you out of concern for you, you turn around and spit in their faces calling them Jr. High quality pups. Live your life as you deem fit but go preach your “true feminism is all about equality,” NAFALT and other bulls~~~ elsewhere.

You do not merit a debate. With all due respect, f~~~ off!

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[Yellow WizardParticipant 41]

Greetings, 76binder. Howdy from Montana.

I gave a +1 to your response because I sympathize with you. I agree that this group lacks solidarity. Many here seem to be unwilling to contemplate relationship arrangements that are different from the prescribed “party line”. I think it’s due to several influences. Some here are as you describe; wanting to argue for the sake of argument. Others are so hurt by relationships gone bad that they only see red. Some are young and overly critical and opinionated, while others are hasty and judgmental. Bitchy, even.

However, I think there are some men here that are worth listening to. I’ve gleaned a few good tips and had a laugh or two.

Also, I’ve been able to practice introspection on how I handle what I perceive to be troll-like behavior. I’ve been really frustrated and angry at times in some of the responses I’ve gotten. It gave me a chance to figure out what my buttons really are, and how to react appropriately to having them being pushed. I can’t say that I’ve figured it all out yet, only that this site has been a learning experience. You sound like an intelligent and principled individual, so I can only hope you’ll stick around, if for MY benefit alone. I too am wary of your situation, but I hope the best for you and also hope you will keep us updated on how things work out. Your relationship sounds unique and interesting.

[76binderParticipant 20]

LiveFree, the shaming language, and lack of respect came after, it was dealt out. You talk s~~~ you get s~~~. I frequent a live mgtow meeting held in a tabacconist shop. We’re the majority of the conversation that followed from my 1st post to proceed in a live setting you would be asked to leave.

You seem to be under the false impression that you wrote the rules. The movement as such is still formative, and defining itself. I sincerely hope your narrow version is not what finally immerges. It would immediately be marginalized as pompous rhetoric just like PETA, and mainstream feminazis. It’s only not worth debating if your position is weak, shallow or otherwise poorly defendable. Nice try at deflection though. Try again?

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

@76binder: The only name calling I see is from you. Nobody called you names. The posts are here for all to see.

 

Where did I give you the impression that I wrote the rules? I merely stated that married men, women, feminists and their enablers cannot be men going their own way. That’s not narrow minded and that is indeed the popular consensus. It doesn’t matter which MGTOW meeting or forums you frequent. BTW do you happen to be a member of AVfM?

 

Deflection??? If you believe that feminism is about equality, you clearly do not merit a debate from me. I’m past the debating feminists phase.

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[76binderParticipant 20]

Elemental, good to meet you. Finally a conversation. You should really try to find a live meeting. The Internet seems to bring out the worst. I’m not going anywhere. I have met many really good guys at informal meetings. I have also met great guys on the Internet too, but yeah, you have to wade through the carney barkers to find them. I  am used to high emotionally charged situations, and all the emotional and psychological engineering tactics people use. It’s all old hat. I get threatened,  lied to, and have multiple attempts at manipulation ployed on me every day. I thrive in a confrontational environment.

So, I appreciate your concern, but I’m not a greenhorn. I divorced a cheating spouse, many years ago. I know first hand how the state rewards women for infidelity. I have been down the road personally. I have never remarried nor plan to.

I am a very curious person and have self taught on many, many fields of study. I am fully aware how the human animal thinks, and how much we like to deny that biology always wins. We are not logical being with the ability to process emotion. We are emotional beings with the ability to process logic. We often mistake positive emotional reinforcement with logic, and being right.

Our minds like simple, straightforward, black & white solutions. It was adaptive in the past for survival. We do so much more than survive now, but our base wiring is unchanged, we now live in a very grey world. No one paradigm is right in all situations an organism that cannot adapt dies. That is why a narrow definition of the mgtow movement is doomed to fail. It restricts your audience, and your support. It guarantees many enemies and few friends. IIt reduces us to just another frat club at best and a hate group at worst.

This is the sound of the true debate and scripting of the intelligent, thoughtful, and principled men trying to bring a movement that values us for who and what we really are and sheds light on the unfair movement of society towards gynocentric thinking, laws, and attitudes. Bashing another group only gets you labeled. Focusing on what you really support, and having real goals and objectives and a plan. That’s how you change a society.

If our group at large can’t pull it together, it will be as pointless as any other online chat and chew.

[Anonymous 11]

@76binder: Why should we have solidarity? it’s impossible. There is a spectrum here ranging from those who won’t go near a woman to those have casual sex with countless woman. First, this a group of men. We will behave like men so we’re not all about rainbows and sunshine so don’t even expect it.

76binder wrote:

I have the ultimate proof I have superior decision making capacity.

I have examined my life choices, have an IQ that is extremely high, and am in a high stress career myself as are many of the others here so quit that “I’m a special snowflake stuff”. I would never make such c~~~y claims about myself. The one thing I really know is exactly how little I know. IMHO, you come across as an extremely arrogant man who is way overconfident about himself. One day, life is going to bite you in the ass very hard. I can’t tell you what it will be, but it will happen as you are ripe for it.

Also, I do know of a couple of guys that have unicorns. They are extremely rare. I’m sure you’ve figured it out by now, but feminists aren’t exactly very popular around here. I make a sport of shredding them. I even go out in public and do it to them too so there goes your keyboard jockey thesis. I’ll argue all day long as I love it.

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