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Wow, thanks for the advice!
Anonymous11the emotional contact with a real woman.
Are there really women who will allow a man intimate emotional contact? Alien concept from my experiences.
@op: At your age, those hormones drive hard. It’s better for your long term self to not let a relations~~~ interfere with completing your career foundation. I’ve seen more than one guy quit school after getting ensnared. Accounting and finance are not exactly simple subjects so stay focused on yourself.
Keymaster, you might say all that, but there’s an element of hypocrisy in your position in that you have had a wife and children whereas I haven’t. You have benefited in some ways from marriage, but you want to encourage others not to. I think I should be allowed to make up my own mind. I’m not a cyborg. Not everything can be reduced to a cold, ultra-rational calculus. I want to marry, have children and a family. What’s wrong with that?
I’m not naive in these matters. I understand what you are getting at here. As I said above, I was wise to what women are pretty much from the beginning (which perhaps worked against me – most ‘successful’ people seem to be ignorant, i.e. ignorance is bliss, etc.). My parents always had violent arguments – and as far as I could tell, my mother was the violent one, my father was merely defending himself. My mother was not a bad person – she was still my mother – but she was disturbed. She never gave me any love or affection – no hugs, kisses or ‘I love yous’ – and she suffered from Munchausen syndrome by proxy, inflicting physical and psychological harm on me. At school, I was psychologically bullied and became a loner. I had my first crush on a female at the age of 6 and I projected these feelings on to different women all the way into my 20s. I was professionally successful and a high earner, but very shy and socially awkward. The idea of approaching a woman in a romantic context terrified me.
Right now, I feel that the chance of a relationship with a loving, caring woman is as likely as me earning a place on the first mission to Mars. But I can’t give up hope. As long as I am breathing, I must believe in hope and that I can be redeemed.
So I can’t adopt this MGTOW position. That doesn’t mean I’m against MGTOW or don’t support lots of what it stands for – there are nuances in all this – but I can’t call myself MGTOW. I believe men and women need each other. A man without the love of a woman is only really half a man. Men can’t go their own way – at least, not in general, not if you want a healthy mind. Perhaps in small numbers, but as much as I am an individualist in most matters, I can’t join you in this. I do need women – specifically, a woman – and I have to admit this to myself. This site has been very enlightening for me, and has given coherent form to many of the early teenage premonitions – and I am sure it is useful for others – but MGTOW doesn’t represent the whole picture.
Keymaster, you might say all that, but there’s an element of hypocrisy in your position in that you have had a wife and children whereas I haven’t.
NOPE. I have never signed a marriage contract and HAVE NO CHILDREN (that I am aware of) so no hypocrisy here.
I told you that I impregnated 2 females. I didn’t tell you they both aborted — for a REASON.My point was >>> I had nothing to do with the decision.
That’s why you have to stop beating yourself up over it.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Keymaster, you might say all that, but there’s an element of hypocrisy in your position in that you have had a wife and children whereas I haven’t.
NOPE. I have never signed a marriage contract and HAVE NO CHILDREN (that I am aware of) so no hypocrisy here. I told you that I impregnated 2 females. I didn’t tell you they both aborted — for a REASON.
Nevertheless, you’ve played a hand, whereas I haven’t. My comments still stand.
I believe men and women need each other.
OK. That’s reasonable. One could even argue It’s a biological certainty actually. Nobody can fault you for thinking that. But MGTOW are not MGTOW because they don’t need women. They are MGTOW because they need self respect FIRST and to protect their own sovereignty above ALL ELSE. See the difference? A woman is a secondary consideration at best. The BEST position is a SECONDARY one. That’s the highest level in a man’s life a MGHOW will permit her to have. In many cases (and with many MGTOW) she fluctuates somewhere between secondary consideration to ZERO consideration…… right to the bottom of the list and has no place in his personal life at all. There are different degrees to that.
But YOU make her a PRIMARY consideration above all other things … or life is not worth living? Too many Britney Spears lyrics maybe? “The reason I breathe is you” and other horse s~~~ like that??? Too much Walt Disney during early development, perhaps.
Turn that s~~~ off. It’s BAD for you.
And your next statement……
A man without the love of a woman is only really half a man.
That’s not reasonable or realistic. That’s bulls~~~ social conditioning and if you want a healthy mind, you need to purge that s~~~ AT ONCE.
Men can’t go their own way – at least, not in general, not if you want a healthy mind
OK stop. THE GREATEST MINDS OF ALL TIME are MGTOW mindsets. Legendary minds for all eternity. Shapers of the world. GALILEO. Tesla. Schopenhauer. Einstein. Have you read Einstein’s marriage contract? Look it up. It’s MGTOW all the way.
Without men like Galileo we might all still think the Earth is the center of the Universe.
That ONE man had the healthiest mind of his time.My comments still stand.
Fine. Except the hypocrisy part. That, you can’t keep.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.<sighs> You’ve come here with a problem. You’ve found facts and solicited opinions. You have been provided viable options which you immediately reject as unworkable. You have chick brain, and I’m not expending any more thought on this. I’m out.
I believe men and women need each other. A man without the love of a woman is only really half a man. Men can’t go their own way – at least, not in general, not if you want a healthy mind.
Hello Victor,
How does that saying go….
Smart people learn from their mistakes
Geniuses learn from the mistakes of others…..
and some people never learn..
I am guessing that you may need to experience more of it for yourself before you learn, get a prenup, strap in tight because it’s going to be a rough ride.
This is not the case of greener grass, the only thing in my life that has made me contemplate suicide was the scorn of a woman, she attacked every single part of my life, had me falsely charged, pregnancy blackmailed me, robbed me, assaulted me, stabbed me, etc etc and the law was on her side the entire time . The man is truly f~~~ed when a woman decides to attack his life.
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
It’s “Be careful what you wish for because you might get it.”
I would really like to know where this comes from. Specifically. Britney Spears lyrics?? like “you’re the reason I breathe”…. or “I just died in your arms tonight”….. or s~~~ like “I can’t live without you”. All the kind of s~~~ you would never hear a man say unless he was really drunk or extremely horny.
Why do so many men suffer from this Center of the Universe Misconception?
They are the reason women behave the way they do.In the days of Copernicus (about 500 years ago), everyone on Earth thought “The Earth was the Center of the Universe”.
But the Earth is NOT the center of the Universe.
Is not even the center of the Solar System.Women are not the center of a man’s Universe.
SO EVERYONE CAN JUST STOP ACTING LIKE IT.They create men who don’t think life is worth living unless some chick bats their eyes at them.
This is the last website on their flat Earth that would ever perpetuate that crap. Who is responsible for it? Was it Disney for exposing minds to this garbage? Like when Aladdin sees Jasmine for the first time…. he trips all over his words and can’t even put a sentence together. Guys who subscribe to the “Center of the Universe Misconception” are the reason women BEHAVE like they are the center of the goddam Universe. I finally made the connection. The guys who think “without a woman’s love, you’re only half a man” is really screwed. I wanna know EXACTLY who taught him that… and I will personally give that other person proper s~~~.
Where does one learn that? Where do they read that?
Was it a WOMAN who tried to tell them that?? Because I really wanna know.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Where does one learn that? Where do they read that? Was it a WOMAN who tried to tell them that??
I’m wondering if it’s not so much something a guy learns as much as something a guy never grows out of.
To be in a state of mind where you need a woman’s love to feel complete, to not be able to stand with confidence on your own two feet, is closer to the psychology of a child than a grown man.
Cultures used to have initiation rituals to transform boys into men. In our culture the closest such ritual we have might be divorce. There are a lot of full grown adult boys walking around these days.
Where does one learn that? Where do they read that?
We hear it in our music, our movies, TV, our advertising, whether we acknowledge it or not, we subconsciously pick up on it. “You complete me”
Part of advertising is to make you feel inadequate about yourself, they do this by implying that if you buy this product then you will get the women.
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
A one time investment of 7K versus:
1. Mortgage
2. Two car payments and cost of gas for V8’s
3. Cost of two children
4. Cost of a pet
5. Whatever debt she brings
6. Whatever debt she’ll create
7. Her Starbucks habit
8. Misc. home improvements
9. All the free time you’ll be losing.
10. Incessant nagging.Guarantee the doll is a livelier f~~~ than most women.
Fuck this planet.Thank you
10 minutes alone with Elliot Roger and I would have saved 6 lives. Including his own. I was determined that was the last time I would ever see that s~~~ or let a man ask “How to live knowing you may never have sex”. SOMEONE needs to tell these guys it’s FAR from the end of the world…. and f~~~ everyone in the ass who perpetuates that nonsense.
You have a universal cure for narcissism? I just ask, because Elliot had that in spades and a bad case of entitlement. I believe his not able to get laid was masking a LOT more than that. So, if you could of saved 6 lives by 10 minutes, that would fix a LOT of things.
Actually, it is possible that positive MGTOW, and ways to do MGTOW successfully could save a lot of lives and reach the “lost boys” an article spoke of. What is needed is the how to, and proper mental work and training.
I say this, with the perspective that any man who makes a single biological function the center of his life, happens to be lacking a lot in his life.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Keymaster, you might say all that, but there’s an element of hypocrisy in your position in that you have had a wife and children whereas I haven’t. You have benefited in some ways from marriage, but you want to encourage others not to. I think I should be allowed to make up my own mind. I’m not a cyborg. Not everything can be reduced to a cold, ultra-rational calculus. I want to marry, have children and a family. What’s wrong with that? I’m not naive in these matters. I understand what you are getting at here. As I said above, I was wise to what women are pretty much from the beginning (which perhaps worked against me – most ‘successful’ people seem to be ignorant, i.e. ignorance is bliss, etc.). My parents always had violent arguments – and as far as I could tell, my mother was the violent one, my father was merely defending himself. My mother was not a bad person – she was still my mother – but she was disturbed. She never gave me any love or affection – no hugs, kisses or ‘I love yous’ – and she suffered from Munchausen syndrome by proxy, inflicting physical and psychological harm on me. At school, I was psychologically bullied and became a loner. I had my first crush on a female at the age of 6 and I projected these feelings on to different women all the way into my 20s. I was professionally successful and a high earner, but very shy and socially awkward. The idea of approaching a woman in a romantic context terrified me. Right now, I feel that the chance of a relationship with a loving, caring woman is as likely as me earning a place on the first mission to Mars. But I can’t give up hope. As long as I am breathing, I must believe in hope and that I can be redeemed. So I can’t adopt this MGTOW position. That doesn’t mean I’m against MGTOW or don’t support lots of what it stands for – there are nuances in all this – but I can’t call myself MGTOW. I believe men and women need each other. A man without the love of a woman is only really half a man. Men can’t go their own way – at least, not in general, not if you want a healthy mind. Perhaps in small numbers, but as much as I am an individualist in most matters, I can’t join you in this. I do need women – specifically, a woman – and I have to admit this to myself. This site has been very enlightening for me, and has given coherent form to many of the early teenage premonitions – and I am sure it is useful for others – but MGTOW doesn’t represent the whole picture.
Victor,
I am really troubled by everything you are saying, if you cannot listen to Keymaster because he has had a wife and kids (I think he said he didn’t) than listen to me. I have never been married and have no kids. In my line of work I get to know my clients very well. I spend hours with them every week. I can tell you happy marriages where the man is not reduced to a biological ATM are very very rare as to render them practically none existent. You don’t have to feel bad about wanting to get married and have kids. That is perfectly normal. Heck I would love to have a great marriage and healthy happy kids.
What you need to understand is that marrying a 21st century westernized woman is the equivalent of playing Russian roulette with five bullets in the chamber and deciding to pull the trigger just once. Sure it may go fine, but the odds are not in your favor. We have no axe here to grind, we just don’t want to see another guy be financially and emotionally destroyed by another “modern liberated” woman.
victor, brother..get that suicide s~~~ OUT of your head.please ! rent a hoe damnit,get drumk , ANYTHING but killing yourself. life changes in ways you cannot dream of, usually for the BETTER ! the only way for you is UP ! not DOWN into a 6 foot hole..THAT would be a tradgedy !life aint easy but dying IS ! DONT DO IT MAN ! call for help before you get stupid bro !
Anonymous5Just get a hooker and get it over with if it bothers you this much. Quit being a mangina.
Pussy is extremely easy to get in todays world. There is no excuse to not getting any.
Hookers don’t care if you’re a virgin and the sex sucks or you are awkward. They are just there to spread their legs and let you f~~~ them.
She can be in and out in 5 minutes flat and you will have finally had some pussy.
To be in a state of mind where you need a woman’s love to feel complete, to not be able to stand with confidence on your own two feet, is closer to the psychology of a child than a grown man.
Im not sure if I have this ENTIRELY correct, but this is how I remember it…..
There was a tribe I read about that would take a 12 year old boy and they would cover him in sap or a type of honey. He would not know where he was being taken. They would shove him into a cold wet “cave” of some sort and block the opening with a rock. They would leave him there for a short while (I imagine 1 minute would feel like a month) and the insects would be attracted to him. For a moment, he would think he was going to die or that he was “buried alive” in a sense and not understand why this was happening to him.
A day(?) or three(?) would pass and they would bring him out. He would never be the same again. He was now a “man”. They accelerated the process and the transformation was remarkable. For the first time, he would be without the protection of his mother or anyone. When he emerged, he would never look at his mother the same way again, because he had accepted that he was TOTALLY ON HIS OWN in the world.
You can’t rely on anyone except yourself.
A woman would never be regarded as ESSENTIAL to his existence. At the most, she might be an ENHANCEMENT to his existence, but he was forced to accept the umbrella of motherly (or fatherly) protection did not exist. That was the basic gist of it.
In the modern world, men are not REQUIRED to go through such a journey in order to arrive at that manly place. Human males are born into a society where they don’t need to endure such a struggle or acceptance of such a reality. When they FINALLY are dragged through the mud… they wish they learned the lessons much sooner. Because the world was a COMPLETELY different place now – and so was his place in it. The understanding of it all translated to his poise, attitude, voice, posture, approach to life and body language. He was FORCED to accept a very harsh reality.
In today’s world they would say it’s “inhumane”. But is it really?
Have you ever seen the movie “The Game” with Michael Douglas and Sean Penn? Same kind of thing. The entire world stages an alternate reality so that he may accept and appreciate the life and reality has been living. A wealthy & powerful man (in todays’ world) is literally stripped and brought to the point of extreme darkness where he loses EVERYTHING. His wife, his family, his wealth, his job, his fortune and his house…. even his name and identity. He emerges from a grave somewhere in Mexico. It’s a wild ride.
He is not physically harmed. Everything he has (and is) is just stripped from him.
When that happens to you…. the “love of a woman” is the LAST f~~~ing thing on Earth that you will ever need to be “a man”.
Just thinking the thought would be utterly ridiculous.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.If you are so desperate to get your weasel greased, pay for a higher-end call girl and be done with the matter.
I want a relationship, family and children. I want a real woman, not the plastic version. That is all I have ever wanted.
Because to do this, requires you need to the approval of another, and agreement in a BIG way, it means you aren’t in as much control as you can be, and you are dependent. As a way to cope, look at the WHYs you want this, and make a list of them. Keep digging into it until you can parts you can act on, and treat it as coping. You may never have a woman coming along who you are happy with that will give this to you, so you may want to find another way to cope with it. About the only thing you need a woman for is sex. About everything else can be handled other ways, including adopting a child to be a father.
If you presume that somehow having your own family unit is going to fix the hurt in you that drives you to want to commit suicide, you are setting yourself up for disappointment. A family MAY be able to get this for you, but it also may not.
So, look at all the reasons why you want this, and break it down. I can assure you almost all those reasons can be addressed outside of getting married.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Hi bcroger.
I’m twenty-one too. And it sounds like you already have all your priorities straight. Too many people our age are taking useless degrees, wondering why they can’t get jobs, and then Occupy Wall Street.
Other people here can give you reasons why it’s not worth it. It’s easy for them, coming from the experience; and I’m not saying they’re wrong, but there’s something about youth that wants to experience unpleasantness first hand—it’s probably hormones.
Though, the best piece of advice I can give you is do not take the blame for something that is obviously not your fault.
If you f~~~ed up, and it’s obvious that you f~~~ed up, then take responsibility, and learn from it. But do not take responsibility for the s~~~ty behavior of others.
Did a girl say that she’d call you back and never did? It’s not because “you weren’t alpha” or because you came on too strong; it’s because she chose to renege on her promise. Did a girl stand you up? It’s not because you didn’t make her feel comfortable; it’s because she chose to break a commitment. Women lie to you? It’s because they’re liars.
Secondly, there’s something that I’ve been reading the guys here saying, and it’s given me a bit of comfort: we’re twenty-one. If you went back in time, and told fifteen year old you where you’d be now, what you were doing, what you were interested in, what you’ve accomplished do you think he’d believe you? No one can predict the future; it seems to be a universal human experience that things change unexpectedly and drastically.
I hope that helps.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
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