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Lucas Buck 4 years, 10 months ago.
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I’m wondering how others here cope with friends and family members who find their views about women objectionable?
My friends disagree with my views and reject my criticisms of women and their behaviour. Even if you point out and can prove blatant cases of anti-male discrimination or female privilege, they aren’t interested. To criticise women is apparently misogynist by definition. All I get is blue pill bulls~~~ or white knighting women generally. I am questioning whether I want such people as friends any more when we have such a fundamentally different worldview.
My parents on the other hand, I don’t get to choose. But they also disagree with my views. My mother thinks I am wrong that ‘all women are like that’ and thinks I just need to meet the ‘right’ woman. My father I’m sorry to say is an archetypal beta/white knight type who thinks I should do what he did, ie. get married, work hard, have kids etc. To me, he isn’t happy and has never lived a fulfilling life so why would I want to emulate that anyway. Plus I don’t subscribe to the concept of marriage or monogamy anyway, and nor have I ever wanted kids.
I don’t need other people’s approval to live how I want, or to think how I want. However, having friends who disapprove and think you are an irrational woman hater who by extension must have something wrong with him (or just needs to ‘get laid’) is not something I feel comfortable with.
Have your views led to conflict or disagreement with friends or family and how have you dealt with it? Isn’t it frustrating when people can’t handle the truth and want to stay wilfully stupid and ignorant of it?
I got into a argument with one of my friends last night over MGTOW and all that. He was going on about “women going their own way” and how these site’s were “full of guys that hate women” and that the purpose of a wife was “not what I thought it was”- that is that they weren’t created to serve a man and keep him company and were intended to do their own thing.
I was going to call him a simp, but the subject got changed somehow.
I totally relate to your comments.
I have a very blue, purple pill friend that accepts everything I say, but he just reverts back to his old blue pill white knight behavior around women. On Saturday night, I explained “the wall” and how women hit it around 35, and he loved what I had to say, he found it informative and amusing. Then he ease dropped on some women and said to me that an old woman said “she could pick up and get it if she wants, to a younger woman”. He then went on to say yeah sure maybe some wino she could pick up off the floor. He still operates under that mental schema of woman are decent want a good honorable man to value long term security with. He agrees with the concept of Hypergamy, and is totally there in theory, but it seems the power of the pussy, instantaneously changes him back into a mangina white knight.
My father is good at establishing his own frame, and living by his own rules, but unfortunately he still believes in NAWALT, and is still looking for that elusive Unicorn, despite losing an absolute fortune in divorce, and now going out with a parade of women up to 35 years younger than him. I told him try going out with women without the displays of wealth and see how far he gets. He says that we are made to have children, and I should find my own unicorn, and have kids. I told him it’s just not possible in this environment. It doesn’t way up on a cost benefit analysis and the risks are far too great.
It is hard to find true “Red Pill” men to talk to, it is good being able to communicate in the MGTOW forum, Imagine MGTOW clubs, that would be great, getting together, talking about all the issues, so much knowledge is out there, it’s great to be here able to communicate on MGTOW, thanks to Keymaster and his allies.When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
I’ve had the exact things happening to me.
My dad, I love him to death. The thing that gets to me is that he’s still encouraging me to get married once the “right” one comes along. He’s first-hand experienced the gynocentric courts, has been cheated on numerous times when he was married to my mom, was abused in more ways than one, and still wants me to experience it…WHY!?
I have one friend who doesn’t agree with my newly forming view on women, marriage and all that jazz. We get in to debates sometimes but it’s never been so bad that we don’t want to be friends anymore. It’s not like our different viewpoints keep us from enjoying the same music, going to concerts and playing guitar and stuff. His sister on the other hand is surprisingly agreeable with everything (she is kind of a hippie so that might help). Today my mom just read an article about benevolent sexism (I think it was posted here) and she was disgusted by it and immediately understood where I’m coming from.
My views about women are none of anyone’s business that I don’t choose to tell. And while I may actually tell some, there is no one who is entitled to know what my views are just because they are curious. Therefore when they attempt to be intrusive by asking, I feel justified in being vague (which is preferable to telling them it’s none of their business).
Someone once pointed out that views on Religion are kind of like a penis. You may have one and you may be very proud of it. But it’s just not a good idea to pull it out and go waving it around it people’s faces. My views on women are very similar to this model. They are just not for public viewing.
The way I keep those well intentioned mangina, white knights and others who are trying to tell me how to live my life from actually succeeding in doing so, is to occasionally reassure them that I’m “…looking for the ‘right one’… but a good woman is hard to find these days…”. This is essentially truthful because I do actually look at women. And being extinct, a good woman really is hard to find… 🙂 .
This reassures them that they are ‘right’ and lets them believe I agree with them… and that serves my purposes very well. I get to maintain the interaction with those people without conflict over my views, without allowing them to pry into what those views actually are, and without pulling them out and waving them around. I have enough faith in my own ability to make decisions for myself and how I live my life that I have no need to get anyone else’s agreement or approval for my views.
Ultimately, when asked why I never got married, I’ll be able to truthfully say that I just never did find that ‘good woman’…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I don’t have a specific problem with “Women” as a gender, but I absolutely have many MAJOR problems with feminists, for me it’s important to make that distinction. I have now started to make comments to any feminist I read the comments of that are along the lines of “Not all women are Radical Feminists”, by responding that They need to be the ones to SHUT THE FEMINAZIS UP! Men aren’t going to listen to anything women say when they are constantly being shamed, humiliated, spurned and ridiculed.
The harder the fight the sweeter the victory
I am questioning whether I want such people as friends any more when we have such a fundamentally different worldview.
Excellent is the day when you have decided not to question it anymore and permanently eject them from your life.
My friends disagree with my views and reject my criticisms of women and their behaviour.
Good time to yawn.
My mother thinks I am wrong that ‘all women are like that’ and thinks I just need to meet the ‘right’ woman.
Of course she does.
Here is the BEST and most succinct way I have found to deal with that, and you will win the point EVERY single time:
Present your mother with an imaginary box of hand grenades…. open the box very theatrically (and carefully) and push it across the table. Tell her “Not all of these grenades will explode in your face. Some of them are duds. Go ahead. Pick one and pull the pin!! You just need to find a good one.”
“Whassamatter Mom? Not all grenades are like that!!
You just need to find the right one.“I don’t need other people’s approval to live how I want, or to think how I want. However, having friends who disapprove and think you are an irrational woman hater who by extension must have something wrong with him (or just needs to ‘get laid’) is not something I feel comfortable with.
Well, then… GET comfortable and accept that their approval is meaningless.
Have your views led to conflict or disagreement with friends or family and how have you dealt with it?
Most certainly, yes. It’s really quite simple: No compromise. If there is anything you don’t like about me, get out. Stop calling me. Stop emailing me. Stop telling me what you don’t like. I don’t give a s~~~ what you don’t like or approve of. I will never compromise who or what I am.
Another way to deal with it is to take what they say, agree and amplify:
I agree. You have changed my views on this. I now believe in marriage. For YOU. Not for me.
After all who’s going to keep this ridiculous gong show going?
You have totally convinced me, there must be some diamond in the rough out there.
Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. They’re just bitter.Isn’t it frustrating when people can’t handle the truth and want to stay wilfully stupid and ignorant of it?
Not your problem.
I recently saw the movie CONTACT again (Jodie Foster, 1997). She is a scientist and not based in a belief orientated view of God or the world. The panel questions her and they say “90% of the world believe in some form of God….. and you’re sitting before us telling us that you believe 90% of the world is suffering from some sort of mass delusion. We can’t in good conscience send someone [on this mission] to represent humanity if they don’t believe in God”.
This is good time to point out there are more c~~~roaches in the world than people. It doesn’t mean they are a superior breed. The 90% who believe in something is no reliable indicator of what is TRUE.
Later in the film, after her experience, there is no record of it. There is not ONE shred of proof that she experienced anything at all. She travelled through time, and to her, 18 hours had passed…. but on Earth, her journey lasted 0 seconds. The same panel now hounds and badgers her for some form of evidence. The very same assholes who pretended “faith” was the determining factor in making the decision were now DEMANDING AND EXPECTING some form of PROOF that anything took place at all.
“… and now you sit before us, telling us this story, and you expect us to take it all ON FAITH???”
Faith was good enough BEFORE the mission … but not after? This blatant hypocrisy irritated the s~~~ out of me as I was watching it. They are not even aware of their own MASSIVE contradictions. You can’t reason with people like this. They are unable to see it. Its the most obvious thing to you and I, but they are oblivious. If you want these people in your life, then you will have to internalize it. Sometimes it’s best not to go against the world TOO much. Go with it. Go with the flow. Don’t fight the world TOO much. Let them go about their lives in total delusion…. and smile to yourself.
If you had X-ray vision , could see through clothing and read peoples thoughts, would you ever TELL them?
No. You just…. smile. Because you know something they don’t.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.My views about women are none of anyone’s business that I don’t choose to tell. And while I may actually tell some, there is no one who is entitled to know what my views are just because they are curious. Therefore when they attempt to be intrusive by asking, I feel justified in being vague (which is preferable to telling them it’s none of their business).
Your approach may be the right way to treat the subject with regards to casual acquaintances or work colleagues. But where friends and family are concerned, I dunno, I feel I ought to be able to be myself and if people don’t like it, it’s their problem. I am someone who has a low tolerance for wilful stupidity, ignorance or bulls~~~ – about any subject. Being ignorant may not be a crime, but when someone doesn’t want to learn, doesn’t care about facts and wants to stay ignorant, it is hard to respect that person. And when they are your own parents, it’s difficult. I’m not going to be cutting my parents out of my life because in some ways they are stupid.
My parents’ attitude is essentially that a man’s role is to find a ‘good’ woman and then spend his life pleasing her. To them, if I have any problems with a woman then it must be something I have done wrong. I just wasn’t good enough for her. I didn’t do enough to please her you see? I should have tried harder in my designated role of woman pleaser. I’m someone who has never had a good job or earned much money, and funnily enough my most successful years with women were when I was unemployed. I think I can honestly say that no women I was ever with, was with me for my money or what they thought they could get out of me financially because they knew I was broke – including at one time living with my parents as a man in my 20s. (In my 40s now)
My parents both think, and especially my father, that I am a failure in life because I don’t have a good well paying career (indeed I realise some or maybe all here will say this is true anyway, I don’t know) and that I haven’t settled down with a woman. It isn’t because they want what makes me happy and this doesn’t even seem to occur to them. I tell them I *am* happy being on a low income which is sufficient to get by. I am not ambitious about earning lots of money or stuff like that, never have been. I value free time to do what I want, and I’ve arranged my working life over the years (or lack of working) to accommodate that. The concept that I don’t care about earning more money to ‘attract a woman’ and that a woman who wants me for that reason isn’t a woman I want anyway, doesn’t compute with them – they just think I’m in the wrong. In that regard my parents are like women, both of them; they can’t be reasoned with if they ‘think’ they are right about something, even if it’s demonstrably bulls~~~.
I think I need new (or no) friends for the sake of my sanity and happiness. As for my parents, I love them because they are my parents and they aren’t bad people. They do try to be supportive of me. It isn’t easy to visit them and to sense their general disapproval of me though. Or if they bring the subject up, not merely sense it but hear it.
Hey Lucas. Sounds like we have the same group of friends. Do you live in Toronto, Canada by any chance??? We might know each other. Dude I get the same s~~~ and it just rolls off my back now. Then I get the ones who think I’m a comedian or something. They think when I talk that way no one can be serious. Living this lifestyle you’re going to get those people the white knights, and the women to say you’re wrong. What’s that old saying?? Misery loves company. I mean they think about your freedom and get jealous they can’t do the things you can do. For me, I’m planning to get a vasectomy because I don’t want to have kids. I was supposed to get it on March 12 but had a rash down below and had to postpone the event until April 8th. I’ll be happy when my sperm won’t have dollar signs on it so these women can cash off it. So remember you will get the non-believers but tell them or maybe sing that old Billy Joel song to them. My Life was the name of the song.
Hi mate, no I live in England so I doubt we know each other 😀 I think you get the same s~~~ everywhere, or at least in the white countries (I am white btw, fwiw). People say ‘you hate women’ and I’ve always said that’s wrong. I’m not so sure any more. I actually looked up the definition of mysognist and it says ‘hatred or dislike of women’. So you don’t even need to ‘hate’ women to be a misogynist, just to dislike the way they are. If disliking c~~~y behaviour makes me a misogynist then I guess by definition I am one and maybe I should not be ashamed of the label? I dunno.
It is cathartic to be able to talk about this stuff here and not be judged as a bad person for thinking the way I do, which is awesome btw.
I don’t think our Dads are going to be of much assistance with this sort of thing. Women didn’t dress like prostitutes when my Dad was a young man. And there wasn’t any feminazis around back then. Things have changed a lot.
I think women constantly showing themselves off and dressing provocatively to compete against each other on who can look like the biggest slut is starting to get a bit weary on younger men. Men are being over-exposed to it, and realising that is all they have to offer.
The one that really bites is your family trying to lead you to destruction. I finally had to think of family not having my best interest and they are the enemy. I don’t go to family gatherings or anything. Why bother when you have to get into a debate on why I am the way I am. And there is nothing wrong with me. I just seen through all the bulls~~~ and pretty much said it’s not worth it. I don’t even date women anymore because we are worlds apart on things.
Anonymous2Wow, my mom must be a NAWALT then! Not only have my old folks been happily married adhering to a traditional relationship, they both have been supportive and understanding when it comes down to my life. They don’t care as long as I am happy, and they understand very well that I don’t date beyond The Wall and that the pickings are slim in the current iPhone generation of nubile women.
Wow, my mom must be a NAWALT then!
It happens. My mom was NAWALT in many ways too.
That said, black swans, white crows, and winning lottery tickets happen too. I am careful how I place my bets these days.
As an added personal note, mom always wanted me to get married and produce grandkids.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I have to say it is interesting being new to these forums and seeing how many have had the same shared experiences.
Sharing your views with others is like picking your battles. You just have to understand that most people are brainwashed to accept the norm that men a) are incapable of being better then women at observing human behavior and b) are better at understanding ethics and applying them to real life.
When you start talking about how women are blind, arrogant, and destructive in what they do then most of the general population goes into a programmed defensive mode. The blindness they embrace is infuriating to witness, but that is the obstacle you face. Personally, unless someone asks me about what MRA or gender war views I have, then I do not share them anymore. Too many folks already look for excuses to hate others. Haters cannot get away with being racists, homophobic or machoists any more – so naturally they pick on what society presents as the target of choice. These days that is anything related to male views on how to live a better life. Men are not suppose to have identity, and often having an identity conflicts with a woman’s need to categorize and generalize the people in her world as those she should hate or not. Women have not yet evolved enough to understand the juvenile nature of that kind of social view.
Having been at the end of a social lynch mob for other views, it simply comes down to staying out of the way of the rampaging bull. You will not educate them by waving the red cape. The angry side of the common people is tied to their irrational views. Until they start to question their own views or gain enough wisdom to see the pain such belief causes, then trying to explain what MRA rights are or why they are needed is generally pointless.
Those who believe in peaceful thoughts, decency, and happiness will question the world honestly. Those who do not will never question anything. Sadly most of them are women. It is as simple as that.
"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"
@mr_green. Welcome to the MGTOW Forums.
… and where are my manners? Salutes and welcome to @LucasBuck, @metalhead and @Inxentas.
Good Monday to you all.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Personally, I don’t discuss my views on damn near everything with 99.9% of the world. I am a historical revisionist, of the engineered history theory, we are NOT popular. You simply can’t tell people things that contradict a core belief and expect them to be open minded about it. It’s easy to convince people that they can BE fooled, but damn near impossible to convince them they already have been fooled. No, that is just unacceptable to the vast majority of folk.
I keep quiet when the subject comes up, generally walk away. I’m not going to get into a debate with people that are brainwashed, it is a colossal waste of time. My advice, nod, smile walk away, and leave them to their delusions. Experience is the greatest teacher of them all. Only when someone has experienced female nature in all it’s inglorious treachery will they open their minds. Until then just sit back and watch the show…
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
Anonymous11@Inxentas: My parents passed away after I went MGTOW though they’d both fully understand. My mom was alive long enough to see my available dating crop and was appalled at what she saw. She even made remarks that she believed I was better off never getting married. She always held out hope a magical unicorn would appear for me though. I think NAWALTS are more common among women born pre-1945.
Like you, I won’t do post wall. Why should I waste time with a post wall Jabba The Hut impersonator? I spent three years after my last serious relations~~~ meeting a series of little over 20 way younger than me women who were shot f~~~ing out completely. After that sampling, I decided to check out of the game.
Determination: No intelligent life exists among these heathens. F~~~ it!!! I then discovered MGTOW and realized I’m not alone.
As for addressing the topic of the thread, I’ll only discuss it among select men that I know very well. I do know that in my wide circle of friends more and more men are saying the hell with it. Actually, it’s kind of sad for both men and women.
All I know is that I am better off without a modern feminist poisoned woman.
Personally, I don’t discuss my views on damn near everything with 99.9% of the world. I am a historical revisionist, of the engineered history theory, we are NOT popular. You simply can’t tell people things that contradict a core belief and expect them to be open minded about it. It’s easy to convince people that they can BE fooled, but damn near impossible to convince them they already have been fooled. No, that is just unacceptable to the vast majority of folk.
When you put it like that, it makes sense. I suppose I naively think that if someone holds views which I can show them are mistaken, they will see that they were wrong and change their minds. Because that is how I would be. But clearly, as you say, a lot of people are not like that. You can give one of the most clear cut examples of something about women which proves your point, and it will be dismissed as ‘you really do have a problem with women don’t you’ which ignores the point I made entirely and just attacks me personally for daring to criticise precious women up there on their pedestals…
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