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How do I approach this?
I have a good friend, 40, single, never married, warm-hearted, handsome, well-paid highly skilled expert in his field. But… he’s fairly deeply sad for being alone and not having a family – wife and children, being with someone, sharing closeness… I’ve tried demonstrating my lousy marriage as a warning exaple to him. But he really feels a social pressure and says he feels it would be more socially accepted to marry and divorce, than to have been only single. In a way I understand him. As a 23 year old, I also very much felt that dating and relationship was THE way to go and felt I wanted and needed it, and now wise by the marriage I am exiting, I feel at ease and peace with welcoming solitude. But is it really the only way, for every man to do his own marriage-mistake before getting red-pill enlightened? I don’t know how to get the red pill passed to him in a good way, so he can cherish what he has and who he is, and be joyful over the good position he is in.
I hate to say it but he is probably going to have to get burned before he realizes that he was better off.
it’s hard to convince someone to be mgtow. it is something that a person must discover for himself either through experience or observation of society.
observation is less painful.
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
I’d tell him to save himself a whole lot of time and just find some miserable c~~~ who hates his guts and buy her a house.
Seriously though, you can never convince someone of the obvious. You’ll just have to let them figure it out for themselves, through their own experiences if necessary.
If you’ve warned him of the dangers then you’ve done the ‘due-diligence’ thing. You’ve already fulfilled your obligation as a friend…
How do I approach this?
I have a good friend, 40, single, never married, warm-hearted, handsome, well-paid highly skilled expert in his field. But… he’s fairly deeply sad for being alone and not having a family – wife and children, being with someone, sharing closeness… I’ve tried demonstrating my lousy marriage as a warning exaple to him. But he really feels a social pressure and says he feels it would be more socially accepted to marry and divorce, than to have been only single. In a way I understand him. As a 23 year old, I also very much felt that dating and relationship was THE way to go and felt I wanted and needed it, and now wise by the marriage I am exiting, I feel at ease and peace with welcoming solitude. But is it really the only way, for every man to do his own marriage-mistake before getting red-pill enlightened? I don’t know how to get the red pill passed to him in a good way, so he can cherish what he has and who he is, and be joyful over the good position he is in.
And that’s exactly where he’ll be when she dumps him, only worse.
Getting involved with a woman nowadays is the same as getting on a rollercoaster that goes up up up, a wild ride down, and then there’s no tracks.How could that happen?
Women have already sold the tracks for $$$, for themselves.
Let him know that you’ll always be there for him, like when he’s standing in front of a bottle of liquid plumber."It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
It’s easier to convince men than women about life choices and situations, all you have to do is present to him the facts, not just the theories and it should be enough to ensure he doesn’t fall out of line, in the end you are doing this because you care about your friend’s mental and physical health, also you might also care that much for him to not get killed or thrown in prison by some crazy bitch.
Women on the other side love to buy s~~~ they don’t need with money they don’t have, take it from me as a sales person with 6 years under my belt.
In the end MGTOW it’s a community of men reaching out to other men about better alternatives and staying informed of our surroundings, just like men had to shoot at palm trees in the morning in the Vietnam war to spot snipers, we need to learn from each other what’s best and what’s the worse we can do to ourselves.
But is it really the only way?
Q: How do you teach a child what “hot” is??
A: You can’t. It’s . . . . . IMPOSSIBLE.
Every child needs to burn its own finger at least once.
I don’t know how to get the red pill passed to him in a good way
If you find way to do this. Tell me how.
I didn’t go to my best friend’s wedding (2010) and I told him exactly why. Held nothing back. Less than 4 months later his new bride was swinging from another dick. Repeat: Dates and lives with her for +2 years, marries her, and in less than 4 months, she’s gobbling thug biker dick.
You can’t teach a child what “hot” is.
That’s truly what it’s like.The trouble is , a lot of men think they are doing the right thing. Even if it doesn’t sit well with them. I watched my OTHER good friend flop sweat so badly during the wedding vows, the best man had to go get him a hotel TOWEL. Not a kleenex. A towel.
…. and everyone but me was giggling during the ceremony about it. The fact that they thought it was “cute”, made me silently swear I would never attend a wedding again. — except to stop it from happening. Save a male and stop a wedding.
No man should ever marry a woman who hates him enough to actually let him go through with it.
Why do you think so many weddings happen in churches?
AISLE. ALTAR. HYMN.
AISLE……. ALTAR……. HYMN.
“I’ll alter him”.
The groom who flopped sweat ( above ) had to sit there and listen his brand new bride make that “joke” at the wedding reception in her own speech. Holy f~~~ing s~~~. That was enough for me.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous42Society has convinced him he’s empty and missing something, if he feels that way then he’s not gonna find fulfillment only torment, he needs first to be content, then the pressure society has laid on him will vanish, then he’ll see thing as they are an not how society says they ought to be.
He’s stuck in gynocentric purgatory not realizing he’s standing at the gates of hell! Hopefully some relations~~~ tragedy he witnesses will wake him from his slumber!
Being single and childless the f~~~ing idiot owns a gold mine and doesn’t even know it!
Society has convinced him he’s empty and mussing something,
Yes.
Tell him to drop the Jerry Maguire DVD and just back away.
That “you complete me” horse s~~~ is why he thinks he’s missing out.Interesting thing is, I just watched that movie again a couple of weeks ago. Haven’t seen it in 20 years. His wife and a room full of women just said and agreed “men are the enemy”….. then he walks in and says “you complete me”.
Doesn’t anyone else see the GROSS imbalance in that?
Bolded for emphasis….. No man should ever marry a woman who hates him enough to actually let him go through with it.
If a woman was truly capable of “love”,
she would never allow a man to sign a marriage contract.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.One way to get a 40 year old smoker to consider quitting is to visit the emphysema and lung cancer ward of a hospital where you can actually see how lives are DESTROYED from smoking.
Your lousy marriage may not be a strong enough message.
Meeting some of the survivors here might be though. Or the men on your local divorce lawyer’s client list.
Anonymous18You play ball, he plays golf.
Let him.
Improve your game by not playing.
Anonymous43It is really hard to prove a negative.
Look, your friend is going to do what he wants. Yes sometimes it is sad coming home to an empty house. I get over that by remembering I was once married to an absolute bitch on wheels who s~~~ on me from the time I woke up until I fell asleep and couldn’t hear her screaming, nagging and bitching.
You friend has what I want. No memories and night terrors. OMG I woke up screaming last night thinking the c~~~ was in my room, I caught myself reaching for the gun on my bedside table. Does your friend want PTSD from a raging bitch and a divorce rape? I can’t sleep more than 4 hours at a time because when I hit the dream state, I am back in the s~~~ty marriage replaying moments trying to figure out how I could have possibly f~~~ed it all up. I have alarms set to prevent that.
I was put in jail for contempt of court…I was three days too late in finding a job, but found the job before the court date, a $8 an hour job, 20 hours a week. My job? washing s~~~ty cars at a s~~~ty former gas station used car lot at age 45 while going back to college for a teaching certificate. Too bad. Jail for a weekend. Ironically, it is this stupidity that makes it hard for me to find a job again now that I am certified. I have to work in school districts where no one wants to be. I am damaged goods, factory seconds. I was put in with a drug dealer with a 16 year old girlfriend and punching bag. My daughter at the time was 16, and this waste of skin would tell me how he wanted to get out and go f~~~ his girlfriend.
I spent $250,000 in my divorce, most of it borrowed to fight off the bitch and defend my kids right to see me and my kids told me to f~~~ off anyways. I spent a year living in the minivan while going to school and working to get by. I lost the house my parents helped pay for, and I renovated and lovingly maintained. The equity split went straight to the lawyer for services rendered. $25,000 in split equity just p~~~ed away. I wanted to shoot myself before handing over the check to the shark, that was my sweat and my labor that I put into the house. The Chad Thunderc~~~ gets to live in my house made the way I wanted it, sitting on my leather couch recliner watching f~~~ing football on my big screen tv that I bought set up and installed. He puts his underwear in the armoire I made myself, sleeping in the bed I made myself, and makes breakfast in the kitchen I designed myself, pulling oj out of the fridge that I bought and carried home in the van, carried it up the stairs and then installed the water lines myself under the floor that I selected and laid myself. Then the c~~~ and her Chad and my children moved out and bought a larger house, renting the house I made a home to some other underserving asshole and his family.
I spent last spring and summer living in a tent in south west Kansas. I lived among migrant farm workers. Drunk loud and crude, and violent. They ripped open my tent one night and saw that I had nothing to steal, they gave me some things. I sewed my tent back together from thread in an old shirt I found. I sold my car for a s~~~tier car and money for food and a suit to interview for a new job. The average temp here in the summer is over 90. The dust, wind, and low humidity are a curse to humanity. F~~~ the c~~~, the F~~~wit Judge, and all the women who have destroyed the good men like myself for the piece of ass and some cash. F~~~ it all to hell!
I pay a mandatory 28% of my gross income to a c~~~ who has 2 houses, 4 cars a new boat, takes trips to Europe and cruises the Caribbean, a live in Chad his two kids and my two kids, the c~~~ works for a fortune 500 company…a so called Key Employee, she makes $150,000 a year plus annual bonuses and stock options and a guaranteed 10% salary bump every year. I make $32,000. fortunately, I am excused from a lot of the other expenses like half the college because I don’t make enough money. Good thing, college costs $80,000 a year for my daughter. F~~~. The difference that allows me to have an apartment now was a $200 reduction in child support payments, down to $650 a month.
I walk to work, I can’t really afford to drive. I walk to work in the dark, and go home in the dark. I teach 25 screaming children all day, and work into the night grading horribly written papers, and prepare lessons for the next day. I read books about lesson planning and execution that education consultants assure are the best method possible for teaching modern children. I have never seen so much bulls~~~ outside the cattle feed lots that fill the county. Whatever, I am court ordered to have a job. Here is my job. I teach students of immigrant workers from Mexico, Guatemala, Caribbean nations, African nations, and these kids don’t want to be there. They curse at me in Spanish, I have to suck it up. They are illiterate in Spanish and English. The parents speak Spanish at home and aren’t much help in homework or discipline. The arrogance of the ignorant is astounding. I can’t tell the parents what assholes their children are in school…against school policy. Ok, my capacity of absorbing abuse is huge, I am a man. I can take it. I stand there, smile and just take it.
I have a parakeet. I have registered him as a service animal. There is a mutual contract at work there. I keep him fed and taken care of, and he keeps me alive. There are many days that his cheerful chirps when I come home are the only thing keeping me from shooting myself. I have to keep this innocent creature alive, he is my responsibility. And so, I stay alive. I also check in with this forum every day. If I am here, I am alive. I can’t let him starve to death in his cage because I shot myself, and no one comes here to check on me.
That is how f~~~ed up my world is. I went from happily married to evicted by armed police, homeless, unemployed, homeless in college living in the minivan in a parking lot, to living in another state far from kids to alienated from my kids completely, and homeless again to barely making it. I just bought a real bed a few months ago, moving up from the airbed I bought last March when I lost everything and downsized to the tent. Now I have an apartment with a bed, a desk a computer and a bicycle. and a little table next to my bed. I have 3 sets of clothes. I do laundry in my bathtub. I have 3 plates and some Mcdonalds cups and plastic forks. The kids living in any college dorm have it better than me.
My apartment is huge and I don’t know what to do with it, I am used to living in a car or a tent something less than 60 square feet. I don’t feel comfortable in large spaces. I don’t like shopping at failmart, but rather the convenience stores and truckstops. It is more comfortable there. In out and gone. My life is embarrassing. I hear my co workers talk about friends, family, things around the house, and I am sad. I don’t have any of that, I cant have any of that and I probably wont have any of that again. I am 47, not having kids, probably going to work until I drop dead. Honestly it cant come soon enough. I am tired.
So parakeet keeps me going, but what I am really looking forward to is May 7, 2020. This is the day my youngest daughter turns 18 and I do not have to write a check to the Illinois Disbursement Bureau. what saves me is the wage garnishment. IRS gets paid first. I make just enough to pay taxes, and not qualify for low income benefits. The c~~~ gets her money, then the landlord gets another $700, then student loan, $55,000 student loans f~~~., credit cards, car insurance, health insurance, $100 to the pension system so I get for take home after all expenses, maybe $100. WOOOOW. On May 7 I will be getting a $650 return of my money! Imagine getting a 28% raise…for me this will be about $7500 for the year. This will be the happiest day of my life!!! This is in 1181 days. 3 years, 2 months, 26 days.
I have kept a journal since July 2009 of every person I meet, every place I go, and receipts for small purchases every few hours. I do this to have some sort of an alibi against made up bulls~~~ from the c~~~. This journal has saved me 6 times in 7 years, and it continues to serve me today. I live almost 1000 miles away from the c~~~ and my kids, and so a receipt every day proves where I am, here in Kansas, not perpetrating stupidity against the c~~~, and I am too far away from her for her to f~~~ with me.
Show this s~~~ to your friend. See if this the life he really wants. See if he wants to have a f~~~ing mental breakdown when he is removed from his own house by his best friend, lover, confidante and mother of his children. See if he wants to pick up his kids at some neutral halfway point and some live in Chad Thunderc~~~ is behind the wheel of the s~~~ty work truck with your kids in it. See if he wants to be chased and rundown by the c~~~ for no good reason. The c~~~ I married stabbed me through the hand in a argument about how dishes and silverware goes in a f~~~ing dishwasher. She stabbed me to prove my point that the points go down so you don’t stab yourself. Bitch wanted points up so the stream of the soapy water cleans the points. Like who really gives a f~~~. She put tracking devices on my car and used them to track me down and intimidate me on the road. The police have done nothing to stop this bitch. I have caught and confronted three private detectives, and caught her Chad driving past my place at least 6 times. The idiot has his name for a personalized license plate. lol I registered 5 complaints against her and I am laughed out of court. She chased me through town 3 times. She also kicked my door in when she didn’t get her way, she tried running me over 3 times at the pick up point while the kids were in her car. Yet the court ruled this raging s~~~ bag was the better parent for my kids…I was the stay at home dad for 9 years did not matter. “All for the good of the minor children” is the greatest insult ever created.
You buddy sounds like he has it pretty good. Show him this post, and tell him I would like to trade places with him any time. I don’t care how hard his job is. I don’t care where he lives. If he thinks being married and divorced so that he is socially more acceptable then I think he is a damned fool. Show him this post, then whack him upside the head for me. This is from May 7, 2020. BAM!
Idiot, stay the f~~~ away from women. You are not missing anything by staying single. You get to do literally what ever the f~~~ you want. Marriage is slow death by boredom, cancer is more preferable, divorce is a firing squad you survive and the officer hasn’t delivered the coup de grace… the shot to the head, yet.
Stay single or die.
If your friend still wants to marry up some woman after reading this. Question your friendship. Divorce is not some sexy romantic wonderful sacrifice to be more socially acceptable. Idiot, Single is the state in which all married men would do anything to go back in time and be once again. Ask them. They will tell you, knowing what they know now, they would go back in time, an hour before they got married and tell them to dump that bitch.
Go to the mall, look at the married men. Misery. Deep misery makes deep wrinkles and round shoulders. They are dead men walking. Does your friend want that? Then go right ahead. Find the nearest woman and marry her today at the courthouse. You have just as much chance of staying married to that as a woman you court for a year and spend huge money on a wedding.
Good luck to you and your friend. Sure my story is anecdotal and who knows what some dude on the internet says is true. If you want casefiles and police report numbers, np, they are public record. lol case files…my divorce case files are rolled in on a cart that I had to buy…court costs. most divorce records are file folders maybe 2-3 inches worth. I have a $300 metal cart, 6 banker boxes and some large plastic mail basket on top. F~~~.
Each of us believed at some point in life that “love” was a real tangible thing that exists in the world and could be had if a man were able to find the right woman. Unfortunately the problem is that in Western society there are no longer any “right women” at all. Women today now simply use men to better themselves. Women view men and marriage as a means to an end. And the end is simply financial security. Not a lasting loving relationship with one man for the remainder of their lives. Explain to your friend that the best he could hope for is a sexless marriage for 5, 10, 15, 20 years and then to be cast aside when he’s first diagnosed with cancer, or a man with more assets comes along or simply when the woman decides that she wants the house all to herself. Bring him here to this web site and let him read the postings of all the men that are now MGTOW. That alone should wake him up to the reality of the situation. For God’s sake don’t let him get married. Even if you have to be the one who stands up in the middle of the church and screams “SLUT” at the top of your lungs.
Stay single or die.
Stay single or die.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous43lol yelling SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT in church at the wedding… ya might as well because you will lose your friend anyways, bitches always always always drives a man’s friends away after marriage.
“love” was a real tangible thing that exists in the world
It IS a real tangible thing that exists in the world . . . .
–>> as long as you make goddam sure you give MOST of it to yourSELF.
Love your work. Love your free time. Love your friends. Love your interests. Love your car if you want. And you can love anyone you want, because “love” is about giving, and you NEVER need a woman ( or her permission ) for that.
But most of all – goddammit – love yourself. And give yourself the lion’s share.
Because nobody else will. Especially your own wife.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Show this s~~~ to your friend. See if this the life he really wants.
Maybe try what ‘may 7 2020’ said. Show the guy this site and have him read some threads. Find some MGTOW videos on YouTube for him. Check out some movies like ‘The Red Pill Movie’ or ‘Divorce Corp”. Maybe start with the Dave Foley interview with Joe Rogan.
Ask him what makes him think that his chances of a successful relationship/marriage is better than anyone else’s. If he thinks that he’s a better man than I say it’s an ego thing and he deserves whatever happens to him.
But he really feels a social pressure and says he feels it would be more socially accepted to marry and divorce, than to have been only single.
OTOH, if he really said that ^ and he really believes it then he might be so mentally f~~~ed-up that he’s already beyond help…
Anonymous43Here’s how f~~~ed up things are…and see if your friend wants to be on the receiving end of this s~~~ sandwich.
I went to college to get a teaching certificate. I was lucky enough to get an internship at the on campus child care lab. This was a preschool for college employees and some people in the community. This was the first real job I had in 9 years. This was 2 months after divorce, and I was living in my minivan in the truck stop near the college. I made $8 for 20 hours taking care of 4 year olds, and doing college homework. The c~~~ found out I had a job and took me to court.
I made $8 an hour for 20 hours for the 16 week semester. This adds up to about $2500. Between the lawyer, the court costs and the mandatory 28% bulls~~~ for child support, this $2500 job for 16 weeks cost me over $12,000 in court costs to pay the c~~~ $715, while I am living in a f~~~ing car. She at that time only made $125,000 a year, only had the one house and three cars. She postponed a court date because she scheduled a Caribbean Cruise with the kids that week and couldn’t be in court. lol Cruise cost $5000. Oh, Judge F~~~wit f~~~ed me over on this deal, after 3 postponements, and 3 months after I left the internship, I was smacked with the $715 that was the 28%, plus court costs which is what her lawyer charged the c~~~ and what I had to pay my lawyer plus 10%. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It has been 6 years since then, and the credit card I used to pay for that s~~~ still has a $2000 balance on it. Yeah, every court date when I got f~~~ed with some huge judgment or the lawyer needed money, I applied for more and more credit cards, I have like 40 credit cards and I shuffle balances on a tight schedule to make payments, zero% offers, omg I am frantically juggling this s~~~. I need to have large debts so the c~~~ doesn’t come after me for more of the little I have left and keeping me out of jail.
Yeah, I forgot about this awesome part of my life, figuring out which card has the 0% offer…all the junk mail most people throw away is keeping me above water, just barely.
Show your friend this s~~~ too. This is what marriage and divorce do to you.
Anonymous43if looking at my s~~~ty life doesn’t straighten up your friend, I have two words that will absolutely crush any romantic notion of being with a woman, and marrying her.
Robin Williams.
Yeah, sometimes you gotta go there. Sometimes you gotta nuke it from orbit to be sure.
RIP Mr. Williams, women wont be ripping your wallet out through your genitals any more.
I hate to say it but he is probably going to have to get burned before he realizes that he was better off.
Yup.
I’d tell him to save himself a whole lot of time and just find some miserable c~~~ who hates his guts and buy her a house.
+1
Well, he could get lucky ?. He could find a NAWALT, the day after he hits the lottery, with consecutive numbers. However, the odds are against him.
"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken
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