How and Why members are using Zoom video conferencing

[GregB0Participant]

Thought I would comment and share my opinion on the concerns, comments and information (correct and incorrect) published via forum the past few weeks regarding the use of Zoom Video Conference systems by MGTOW.com members. I had planned on posting this thread last weekend but was unable to due to life circumstances. This is not an attempt to add or alter any part of DYD’s weekend thread, or those that were received prior.

Since May 22 2017, numerous MGTOW.com members have been using a privately funded Zoom Video Conference system license to conduct weekly meetings. These meetings were, and remain, open to any current MGTOW.com member to allow for open, civil discussion regarding issues that are important to those members. While the session link information is currently distributed via private email and MGTOW.com Private Messaging, this endeavor is not affiliated, nor a part of MGTOW.com. Key Master has however supported the efforts of these members to go their own way and elevate their abilities to communicate in a live and secure setting.

The MGTOW.com forums are the real and tangible gateway for all members to get to know each other and demonstrate that they are due the privilege of respectful and rational dialogue. The forums however have been and continue to be targeted by trolls, feminists, and other assorted goofb~~~~. Members who routinely post via forum, and fit & comply with the MGTOW.com forum regulations (as set by Key Master), are welcome to join a scheduled Zoom Video Conference session.

The MGTOW.com forums allow members to develop a trusting relationship with other members, this same type of trusting conversation for the most part exists within Zoom Video Conference sessions. Those members who cannot conduct themselves in an appropriate manner on a simple online forum, or simply don’t exhibit essential Red Pill philosophy, don’t belong in an environment where men go to express themselves in a vulnerable fashion and discuss components of their lives that are potentially very sensitive.

The current Zoom Video Conference session culture is one of conducting civil conversations among current MGTOW.com members in a trusting and respectful manner. Sessions are managed by shared governance and not by a unified response from one or two session members.

Zoom Video session users are asked to observe the following procedures and etiquette during sessions:
• Do not release the session ID information to anyone, forward requests via the MGTOW.com forum or PM. The first line of security is the inability for non-vetted members to attend sessions.

• Be civil and polite during conversations. Do not perform or engage in activities that are distracting or demeaning to those speaking. Allow all members the opportunity to engage in the conversation and never respond in an angry or bullying manner. Sessions are expected to be productive and enjoyable for everyone investing the time and energy to attend. This is not the forum for selfish narcissistic behavior.

• Be aware of the conversation and do not attempt to deflect those that you find irrelevant or Un-productive. You can either ask the host to place you in a separate “Break-out-session” to discuss something more appealing, or you can log out and come back at another point in time.

• Take the time upon entering the Zoom Video session to listen and become aware of the conversation. Very often members are trying to resolve immediate personal issues with input from members who have relevant and direct experience beneficial to their situation. The focus of the conversation does not change when a new member joins the session, however the outcome very well might because of the new perspective.

• Relaxation after a stressful moment or day and escaping from the reality of day to day activities is a normal activity. However, members should not join sessions under the influence of drugs or alcohol. This dramatically decreases their ability to effectively communicate and results in the Zoom Video session being uncomfortable and unpleasant for all members. Having a drink and remaining under control is entirely different as opposed to being subjected to someone who is drunk, rude and perpetuating a hostile environment for all participants.

• This “opportunity” is privately funded and any user who conducts themselves in a discourteous or uncivil manner during sessions will lose the privilege to attend future sessions.

• Members who fail to display courtesy or respect for other Zoom Video Conference users will be contacted by applicable administrative volunteers to discuss the incident. Egregious issues will be dealt with as soon as possible with every effort being made to ensure that they do not happen again. Discussion topics should not cause members to be fearful for the speaker. Asking for help and guidance is actively encouraged, but displaying emotions in a threatening manner to one’s self is not encouraged nor supported.

• Live interactive video session discussions should not be reposted on other social media platforms, such as MGTOW.com. The active speaker is the only person who has that right.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[JVBParticipant]

Understood GregBO.

So I assume if someone misbehaves on Zoom they are also banned from here too? Like Gambit.

Peace is > piece.

[DocParticipant]

Great Post Gregbo.
Thankyou for taking the time to compose the content.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 42]

GregB0 wrote:

However, members should not join sessions under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

Really? Ya don’t say!

I guess my not using “share screen” showing a slut giving a dude a hand job posting on Craig’s Lust looking for another dick stick was a good move? I wanted to show it but didn’t in respect for the other members! If I was still drinking I would likely have done otherwise! and then some!

P.S. Thanks for all you’ve done organizing the Zoom conferences, GregBo, it’s appreciated!

[Anonymous 6]

Rodger that. There are some vital points in there. WE ALL NEED TO FOLLOW THIS! Including me. Take this stuff to heart people, this is serious business!

[DocParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Rodger that. There are some vital points in there. WE ALL NEED TO FOLLOW THIS! Including me. Take this stuff to heart people, this is serious business!

Totally agree Travis.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[GregB0Participant]

JVB wrote:

Understood GregBO.

So I assume if someone misbehaves on Zoom they are also banned from here too? Like Gambit.

JVB,

I do not know if Gambit is banned, on probation, or still an active member on MGTOW.com.

To obtain the privilege of using the Zoom Video Conference license, you have to be a current MGTOW.com member.

Gambit lost the privilege of using Zoom video conference several weekends ago by exhibiting exceptionally bad decision making and behaving in a manner that was perceived as threatening to both himself and other members during the session.

The loss of the ability and privilege to use Zoom is completely separate from a MGTOW.com members status on MGTOW.

I hope that this helps explain the issue and Gambit’s situation.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[IRuleMeParticipant]

JVB wrote:

Understood GregBO.

So I assume if someone misbehaves on Zoom they are also banned from here too? Like Gambit.

Zoom has nothing to do with mgtow.com If someone gets banned from here, it’s because their behavior on HERE warranted it. If someone gets banned from zoom, it’s because their behavior on THERE warranted it.

[GregB0Participant]

Doc wrote:

Thankyou for taking the time to compose the content.

Thank you Doc and others for your help in drafting this thread.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Anonymous wrote:

Really? Ya don’t say!

Thanks Tower for helping ensure that the sessions are meaningful and beneficial to all members. The screen sharing is one of those features that have to have active monitoring of by the members in the session.

Members forget that the screen sharing portion of Zoom eats up 1.5 Mbps or more of data use. While a picture is truly worth a 1000 words, the abuse of screen sharing can cause a lot of mental bleach to be applied unnecessarily. Best to you

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Anonymous wrote:

Take this stuff to heart people, this is serious business!

True Travis. If Gambit had proceeded with him implied threat, this would have resulted in legal issues. Gargamel was 1/2 correct in his earlier posts about email/Internet/etc being watched, everything is watched if there is a legal reason for government to do so.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[JVBParticipant]

Understood thank you lads.

Peace is > piece.

[ghostParticipant]

GregB0 wrote:

If Gambit had proceeded with him implied threat, this would have resulted in legal issues.

I made no threats to anyone. I do not drink nor do any drugs whatsoever. I have been quiet about this and haven’t ushered a single word except for apologizing to the members who found anything offensive, in private.

If you have an issue with me, please message me privately. I do not appreciate the spreading of false information on the forums.

All Gambit did was vent his anger and rant about how male soldiers were kneeling to women. That’s nothing to ban him over. Is it possible some white knights snuck into the Zoom session and became moderators?

From now on, maybe we should only entrust moderation to those we KNOW we can trust who won’t stab us in the back!

The above comment is from a member who was present during that chat.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

I think the zoom sessions are great I was think about holding UK only sessions due to the time difference and so we can discuss Brexit but I think it’s good to have everyone on the one session.

ghost wrote:

I made no threats to anyone.

Gregbo didn’t say you made a threat he said your behaviour was threatening. I wasn’t there so I don’t know.

Still if you apologised you obviously felt you were in the wrong so I would just forget about it now and move on we don’t want nor need a long discussion about it on the forum.

GregB0 wrote:

Gambit lost the privilege of using Zoom video conference several weekends ago by exhibiting exceptionally bad decision making and behaving in a manner that was perceived as threatening

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

GregB0 wrote:

being watched, everything is watched if there is a legal reason for government to do so.

In the UK everything is watched regardless our governmnet have the most extreme and invasive surveillance powers of any where in the world and they use them.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

It’sallbs wrote:

I think the zoom sessions are great I was think about holding UK only sessions due to the time difference and so we can discuss Brexit but I think it’s good to have everyone on the one session.

There can be an extra room created for things like that, as mentioned before in this topic.

Personally, I come in for laughs, but when the topic of discussion isn’t interesting (or flatout boring), I simply disconnect, do other stuff, and come back later. As of late, more often than not the topics don’t interest me (cars, guns, work, American politics), so me popping in has become rare(r).

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Nerevar wrote:

come in for laughs, but when the topic of discussion isn’t interesting (or flatout boring), I simply disconnect, do other stuff, and come back later.

Well yes, and anyone one else would do the same. You, nor me nor anyone else can dictate the conversation just because we find a conversation a bit dull.

But what you can do is politely listen-chip in of you want and when a polite opportunity arises introduce a topic you find interesting.

I have engaged in 3 session now each time was there for a couple of hours & the topics were diverse on everything from American Politics, why a desert eagle is actually a bad choice (I found that quite interesting), to more light hearted topics and laughs.

It’s always a good mix off topics in my view-I see no problem for adults with reasonable social skills.

People will only get kicked off if they come on p~~~ed up acting like aholes as Gregbo has already said.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Prophet MicahParticipant 1972]

Roger that. Don’t plan on Zooming anytime soon but may be something I do in the future. Nice to know what it is now. Still new here so I’m getting the feel for the place. Overall, it’s just fan-f~~~ing-tastic to be in a place of likeminded men! Wish I came here a year or two ago!

No Wife - No Strife

[ZerenityParticipant 500]

Read and signed.

God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change: Courage to change the things I can: And Wisdom to know the difference. -Reinhold Niebuhr 1951

[IRuleMeParticipant]

ghost wrote:

GregB0 wrote:

If Gambit had proceeded with him implied threat, this would have resulted in legal issues.

I made no threats to anyone. I do not drink nor do any drugs whatsoever. I have been quiet about this and haven’t ushered a single word except for apologizing to the members who found anything offensive in private.

If you have an issue with me, please message me privately. I do not appreciate the spreading of false information on the forums.

phoenixgod1995 wrote:

All Gambit did was vent his anger and rant about how male soldiers were kneeling to women. That’s nothing to ban him over. Is it possible some white knights snuck into the Zoom session and became moderators?

From now on, maybe we should only entrust moderation to those we KNOW we can trust who won’t stab us in the back!

The above comment is from a member who was present during that chat.

Here’s what happened.

You came in, all chill, talking to Market~~~cher about amazon stocks. Then somehow the conversation turned to the military. You screen shared the twitter account you follow that sometimes posts stories/images of military personnel proposing. You professed to be triggered at this (why you continually seek out things to trigger you, I have no idea). Then you went into a screaming rant about military people being manginas.

You pulled out your gun and ranted about how they’re pussified, and that we can’t seem to win the war. You said “I’m not afraid to show them how it’s done”. You and oldschool went back and forth. At one point you pointed the gun at the screen and said “if anyone f~~~s me with on the street, I’ll kill them”. That’s what happened. At numerous times when phoenixgod tried to talk, you cut him off. Anyone who says anything else was said, or happened, has a foggy memory. Esp given that I’ve heard you said you were going to behead people. That is false. You did not say that. Everyone got worked up because you were screaming and waving your gun around. That happened. Granted because some people had nightmares after the fact, I think they’re confused on what was said.

After you logged off and came back. Calm and cool. You started talking to JD, and whoever was left about football, a marriage you went to, and some girl at the wedding you were attracted to. I was there the entire time. I know what was said. I witnessed the entire event unfold.

I don’t need to make anything up, I don’t need to “backstab” anybody. I’m simply giving a first hand account of what happened, if nothing else to clear up misinformation. There was however a very serious concern given your state of mind that you would take your own life. I think that by deflecting it, or downplaying it and saying that we overreacted is disrespectful. We had no way of knowing what your state of mind was. Had you taken your own life, this would be an entirely different conversation. To simply say “I was having a rough day” isn’t a good enough excuse for such behavior. People having rough days don’t get on zoom in an angry manner, brandishing a gun, and making the kinds of comments in the session YOU made. What I saw, and the look that was in your eyes is NOT red pill rage.

And the behavior you exhibit, and deal with as a result of your emotions is beyond the scope of this site, and the scope of our abilities to help you. I, and many others have seen your behavior on this site to be excessive (shotgun to the head thread, smash the Ferrari thread, etc)… You need professional help brother. Your issues are greater than simply “red pill rage” and “issues with women”.

I understand that by saying this, I am open to scrutiny from my brothers. If they choose to do so, that is fine. If you want to be mad at me, that’s fine. I understand. I respect their opinion and any talk that comes my way. I can handle it, and will take it. I will respect their point of view. I do not like engaging in this type of stuff and airing laundry. But that incident has hovered over the zoom group, and the session like a cloud. It’s time we got it out of the way. I think you Gambit, deserve the honest truth (at least from my perspective). What you do with that truth is up to you. I am simply one brother speaking to another.

Some would say a pm is probably best. Maybe that’s true. But what happened in zoom is tied into what is posted on this site on a routine basis. They are not unrelated. I do not want to be catty, and chat behind people’s back, or contact in secret. If I have something to say, I will say it, I will say it to your face, and I will say it in public – where what I say is open to scrutiny. Because I stand by what I say.

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