Hmm… female cohabitation

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Hey MGTOW dudes,

So I have a question to be subjected to the hot, fiery crucible of MGTOW. Here we go:

Say you have a friend who is a very intelligent woman (we’re talking genius level) who is also pretty good looking.. say a 6 – 7. No worries, I am too. We’re basically intellectual equals but her focus is different (Art and Biology)

Say this woman is someone you are not having, and will not have sex with, and that this is established in the friendship.What I mean is I can honestly say I think of her as a sister, in a sense, and the idea of having sex with her is kinda creepy to me.

Now say you become roommates. Not a couple.. nothing even approaching that.. but roommates. Sharing the bills etc.

Now lets add that this female friend loaned you five figures when you were down, and you have since paid it back. Lets say she is fully self supporting, and has no intention of having children.

Lets add that she has been there for you when you have had problems of other kinds, even going so far as to explain the female mind to you (which is one of the reasons I became a MGTOW before I found this place).

In those conditions, would you say that having her as a roommate is a good idea? I’ll add, she has been a wingwoman for me a couple of times, and although she likes men and is definitely hetero, I have helped her get a girl from time to time (she can be shy around girls she likes, but not guys) She has also not asked to be my roommate at all. But the idea came up in my head, and I wanted to see what you guys thought.

[experiencedParticipant]

She’s employing Dale Carnegie’s, “Let the other person think the idea is his.”

It sounds almost too good to be true.

You become roomates… … … …

then the other shoe drops.        might be a long ‘then,’ but when the other shoe drops please tell us.     [[[IOW I wouldn’t do it if I were you.]]]

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

MadScientist wrote:

Now say you become roommates. Not a couple.. nothing even approaching that.. but roommates. Sharing the bills etc.

Then it will turn into who is doing the house chores and… BAM

Before you know it, you’re paying bills, doing house chores for her and being her emotional tampon while she crams Ben N Jerry’s Ice Cream while watching The Notebook…Giving her rides to work, listening to her problems and nagging you about missing trash day.

And you don’t even want to have sex with her..

What in gods name are you f~~~ing thinking? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[RoyDalParticipant]

She’s employing Dale Carnegie’s, “Let the other person think the idea is his.”
It sounds almost too good to be true.

Ditto!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Why am I getting a sick feeling in my stomach.

So what you’re saying is there is this bi-unicorn that you wouldn’t f~~~?

Or she’s like a sister (Freud) ….

Why bother, just be you without the potential s~~~ storm that will come.

1 bullet 6 chambers …. 😭

[Anonymous 5]

Never live with a friend

[Anonymous 1]

Don’t do it, that is what I would say. Roommates are already complicated as they are (I am actually having trouble with my current one), female roommates are worse! It will not take long as all this “image” you have from her shatters as she moves in with you, and then she will make sure YOU are the villain of the story. She will probably not move a finger when I comes to house shores, or troubleshooting anything (that’s my experience).

In a nutshell: if you want to minimize the chances of a s~~~storm, don’t do it.

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Oof. Ok guys you are definitely right about this. I haven’t had a roommate in awhile, and I have been thinking it would be cool to have someone to help with the chores, but maybe it would be a lot better to hire a maid service to do that. 🙂

I will say that she IS a worker, and doesn’t like being dependent on others. She recently is learning auto mechanics and is really proud she can now fix her own car, including brakes and etc. So I don’t think it would roll that way with her. I didn’t mention she was not American, so maybe that could put it in more perspective.

However, I do think, after contemplating it, that it could easily get sticky when emotional things are getting her down. You’re right.. I could easily become a backstop for her problems in that way, and while I like helping her, if i was living with her that would make it really difficult, and could end the friendship in a s~~~storm.

“Never live with a friend”. Yep.

Thanks for your perspectives 🙂

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Don’t.  Do.  It.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[a bananaParticipant 288]

DO NOT LIVE WITH A WOMAN PERIOD

– its for your own good

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Im not going to do it. 🙂

[KahnParticipant 41]

There is no such things as being “friends” with a woman. She either sees you as a useful dildo or a subhuman machine.

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Gotta disagree with you Kahn. It may be rare, and a risk, but this particular woman has proven her bonafides and intentions over and over again, and without any interest in siphoning my resources, or making sexual advances, or encouraging any from me.

Like I said earlier, I definitely won’t cohabitate with her for the reasons expressed above, but she is definitely a friend. If you look at my post, you’ll see she loaned me a s~~~ load of money at a time she was not sure it would ever get paid back, and with no documentation. She just wrote me a huge check without me even asking and said “I know you are good for it”

So while I fully acknowledge she is not a Unicorn NAWALT, keeping things platonic and equitable means keeping a good friendship going. Plus, she sometimes acts as a wingwoman for me in the field. 😉

[experiencedParticipant]

Hmm… female cohabitation

You titled it correctly,   phrase/ statement/  announcement perhaps, no question mark at the end.

It’s your mind, no one else can make it up for you. We are only trying to warn you.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

MadScientist wrote:

It may be rare, and a risk, but this particular woman has proven her bonafides and intentions over and over again, and without any interest in siphoning my resources, or making sexual advances, or encouraging any from me.

So what?  She may be a mythical NAWALT, but the law is the law.  Look up common law marriage in your location.  Regardless of what she might or might not do, what she might or might not say, what she might or might not want, you are opening yourself up to the state f~~~ing with you.  Don’t make that mistake.

[USMC0331Participant 40]

Yeah it probably isn’t worth the risk or the hassle. The thing is you don’t live with her now so you have a certain distance. I don’t know how much time you spend with her, but if you lived with her, it would certainly increase that time. Things can change before you realize it, and you don’t really know what her intentions are. Moving in together could likely cause problems. It is like anything else it’s risk vs. reward. I’ve made the mistake of talking myself into situations I regretted later when it came to being “friends” with women so I’ve seen how quickly they can change their whole attitude about what being a friend means.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Cohabitation in general, not just with females, opens a legal Pandora’s box. One would be ill advised to do so.

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Yeah.. the more I hear your replies, the more I realize this isn’t a judgement on anyone.. its a recognition of Human Nature, and MGTOW is a way to deal with that truth, and to forge a “Third Way’ out of the paradigm. So, no matter how good a person might be, no matter how upright and awakened, the people and culture around them and the laws create risk and potential for a person “Backsliding” into cultural norms and expectations. We see the mountain put before us clearly, we are opting to not climb it, and we save our energy for our own growth, and a mountain of our choosing.

[KahnParticipant 41]

MadScientist wrote:

Gotta disagree with you Kahn. It may be rare, and a risk, but this particular woman has proven her bonafides and intentions over and over again, and without any interest in siphoning my resources, or making sexual advances, or encouraging any from me. Like I said earlier, I definitely won’t cohabitate with her for the reasons expressed above, but she is definitely a friend. If you look at my post, you’ll see she loaned me a s~~~ load of money at a time she was not sure it would ever get paid back, and with no documentation. She just wrote me a huge check without me even asking and said “I know you are good for it” So while I fully acknowledge she is not a Unicorn NAWALT, keeping things platonic and equitable means keeping a good friendship going. Plus, she sometimes acts as a wingwoman for me in the field.

You sound like a guy who hasn’t seen some of the uglier sides of female nature, I don’t know if that makes you lucky or not.

My advice is this: be (a little) paranoid, and extremely ruthless when it comes to dealing with women. Otherwise, you won’t know what hit you when they make their move. Also, never get too attached and show very little kindness, they only interpret that as weakness.

Women NEVER really care about your well-being as a person, they may not be against you, but they are NEVER for you.

This is coming from a guy whose own mother wanted to kick him out on the street so she could move in with the guy she dumped my dad for. So yeah, female nature can be far darker then what you can even imagine, remember that.

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Thanks Kahn, I appreciate your honesty and openness. My mom was also a serious piece of work.. oof. Also, I don’t consider this woman a potential mate, so I actually want her to be in the Friend Zone.. that means I don’t have to be terribly detached.

Believe me, I Have Been Warned ™. 🙂

I have seen the darker side of female nature.. I have seen the darker side of male nature too. I have seen the darker side of human nature in general, which is why I can confidently say this one is a good human being. What that does not mean is that I will take any risks on her behalf I would not take with a male friend, and since she is a female, fewer considering the gender gap.

I am a Humanist at heart. There is a lot of nasty s~~~ out there that I see.. but here, on mgtow.com, the s~~~tiness we talk about is the Female Nature side that so often doesn’t get a voice. That’s why I’m here, and as I consider it more, and work all of this out in my life, I am choosing.

This is how I choose to go my own way.

Big Hope, but not delusion
Big Courage, but evaluate risk
Big heart, but never a doormat
Big Love, but never dependent
Big Compassion, but never a fool

And to almost paraphrase someone “Live Smarter, not harder” 🙂

Your advice is really valuable to me, and I appreciate receiving it. Thanks Kahn, and everyone.

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