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This is a second thread based on the concept of the first one here, if you want /forums/topic/greek-mythology-through-a-red-pill-lense/ . I am doing this as a way to argue against the “NAWALT” theory. Onwards:
I have had many thoughts about Hercules and his deeds in my life. I am young enough that the Disney animated version was a childhood movie for me. I quickly realized though that it wasn’t accurate. In my search I have felt at some points like he was a great hero, some where I thought he was just an asshole. However, the more I think about it post-Red-pill, I think he was more a MGTOW than many men of his age. He made mistakes, but more than anything, His life was a story of persecution by his Uber-bitch stepmother, Hera. This is where I want to begin.
Hercules was actually originally named Heracles in the Greek myths, named after Hera by Zeus in an utterly ineffective attempt to quell her wrath. She detested that her husband cheated on her, but being to weak to actually do anything about it, she took it out on his children with other women. To be fair, she was always a c~~~, who threw her son Hephaestus off Mount Olympus because he was “ugly,” so it makes sense why he wouldn’t want to spend much time with her. Therefore it seems wrong to call him Heracles after a stupid c~~~ who hated him.
In fact, she tried to make sure he was never born, literally, by having the goddess of childbirth prevent it, and he was only born because she was tricked. To further prove the point that she was stupid, she was tricked into letting Hercules nurse from her, which at least caused her some physical pain (unfortunately, that would be repaid many time over.) So murder attempt number two on an INFANT soon followed, as she sent snakes to kill him in his crib, which he subsequently strangled, because he was a badass as an infant. In his youth he was sent to tend cattle after killing his music tutor for reprimanding him, he was sent to tend cattle and was eventually presented with a choice that (theoretically) led to much of his adventure. (note that this was a later addition to the tale) When presented by the goddesses Pleasure and Virtue with the option of an easy life of pleasure and a hard life with much glory, he chose the glory.
So he eventually got married, but our great bitch in the sky was having none of it. She Induced a fit of madness in Hercules in which he killed his wife and children. In his grief he sought atonement with the Oracle of Delphi, but still Hera was pulling the strings. She made the oracle tell him to go serve his enemy Eurystheus, a man who was made king by a promise Zeus made to Hera and she manipulated into making king where Hercules would have been if not for her delaying the pregnancy. Thus began his famed Twelve Labors, which were to be ten originally. Since you probably have some of them down, lets focus on a select few.
Labor one was the Nemean lion, in which stories differ on how he killed it. The important point is when dead he could not skin the beast with his knife. Along comes Athena, helping him by saying he should use the beasts claw. Here is my issue with this part: he can’t skin it, let’s send a woman to tell him what to do! It’s like the feminists made Athena up way back then for the sole purpose of having a woman be important. He tried everything but the claws, so by process of elimination he would have gotten to that. While not portrayed as brilliant he wasn’t stupid, or else he wouldn’t have devised a way to kill the monsters he did. Perhaps I am being too harsh, but I know she was not all good either. Story for another time.
Number two was yet another intervention by Hera to kill him, so she created the hydra, but like all women’s machinations, it can be overcome. The real problem about this is the mangina Eurystheus wouldn’t accept the trial because he had help. that’s like saying you won’t pay your employee because they had help.
Number nine saw another interference by Hera. The belt of Hippolyta, queen of the Amazons. Even this non-existent feminist paradise was more than willing to accept him (probably from rampant baby-rabies.) However, the patron goddess of c~~~s went through and spread dissent among them so they attacked him in force. He met this wit ha true display of equality by killing all of them.
So let’s skip, the moral of the story is he was awesome, and his competition was made up of a bunch of pathetic bitches. So, marriages: he was married to three women, one he killed when insane, one he was literally made slave to Omphale when he killed Iphitus, (an early recording of a lesbian dressing like a man,) and the last one killed him by being a jealous bitch. To elaborate just a little on that last one, there was a time when he and Delanira (wife number three) tried to cross a river where the centaur Nessus offers to help her cross the river and ends up p~~~ing Hercules off by trying to get his wife so he kills him with the poisoned arrow from the hydra’s blood. The centaur then tells Delanira that she could keep him from cheating on her by mixing his tainted blood and semen in his clothing. When she thinks that he is going to cheat, she kills him with it because she was too stupid to realize that trusting the dying guy her husband killed over her husband was f~~~ing dumb.
So he does a bunch of other impressive things including burying Icarus, saving Prometheus from his eternal torment, sailing with the Argonauts, and sired a hundred children (not that I just said impressive.) This is a man who did just about everything he could have done in his lifetime. His biggest flaw is that he…. what was I saying? So MGTOW attributes? Did what he wanted, didn’t let a woman define who he was (although that bitch Hera tried,) the worst part he died a martyr for us, men. Another man screwed by a woman, one that listened to her fear as opposed to logic.
"You can keep your soul, I don't want a cell-mate." - Them Crooked Vultures
Boss.
I dig your takes on this stuff. It’s true revisionist mythology. Except, ancient men were probably red-pill and saw it this way too. +1
These are very interesting posts and takes on the Greek mythology and the red-pill vs blue-pill characters. I must admit that I’m hooked on reading this minor essays on the topic. I look forward to the next installment.
"Life is the future, not the past." Wizard's 7th rule, Terry Goodkind
Astute interpretation of ancient tales, I find it amazing how many of the old myths and legends when boiled down to their essence do nothing but warn men about women!
I find it amazing how many of the old myths and legends when boiled down to their essence do nothing but warn men about women!
Just think about all of the stories from the Old Testament. How many of those stories speak directly about the underhanded and back-stabbing nature of women? Whether you believe in the bible or not is of little importance to what the stories are able to teach. Think about the first story in the book of Genesis. A woman is responsible for mankind being kicked out of paradise, because in her mind the rules simply mean nothing to her.
"Life is the future, not the past." Wizard's 7th rule, Terry Goodkind
^ I was JUST thinking about this last night! How did the mighty Samson die? He told Delilah that if his hair was cut, that he would lose his strength. Poor guy ended up dead soon after, because that wench ordered his hair to be cut.
Even worse, and this one should be familiar to today’s society…Potiphar’s wife, who tried seducing Joseph (this is in the book of GENESIS). When he actually REFUSED her, she falsely accused him of rape!
Even worse, and this one should be familiar to today’s society…Potiphar’s wife, who tried seducing Joseph (this is in the book of GENESIS). When he actually REFUSED her, she falsely accused him of rape!
Exactly, you see the warnings of false rape allegations being shared with men to warn them that women don’t have limits to how far they will stoop to get with they want to to harm those who have wounded them, in their own mind at least.
"Life is the future, not the past." Wizard's 7th rule, Terry Goodkind
I wonder if Potiphar’s wife would have carried her mattress throughout the kingdom.
Yes, the stories of all religion and are barraged with the stories of how awful women are. Monsters are also frequently females trying to beguile, to entrance, to entrap, but most assuredly to ruin the males they catch. Sirens, Succubi, Mermaids, Jorogumo, Rusalka, Yuki-Onna, and so may breeds of witch that it is disturbing beyond my ability to articulate. Furthermore, this is the short list.
"You can keep your soul, I don't want a cell-mate." - Them Crooked Vultures
I do believe that you’ve given us a very clear picture of the warnings placed in ancient writings about the danger of women. They’re are few, if any, representations of helpful women in the myths of our history.
"Life is the future, not the past." Wizard's 7th rule, Terry Goodkind
Just so you know Joseph, the one who turned don’t Potiphar’s wife ended up being second in command to Pharaoh. So, she didn’t carry around her mattress for very long, only for as long as Joseph was in jail. When he rose up, that mattress went right away.
The best Red Pill story is that of Ahab and Jezebel. Ahab was a king who married Jezebel. Ahab was a massive cry-baby and a blue-piller. Jezebel was indoctrinated in her culture’s myths. She was a believer in Astherah. Now this is Israel and they have a staunch law about exclusively serving God, and a commandment to go with it about marrying women outside of Israel. So, Ahab is a total loser. God even gives him a punishment before he dies. When he does die, Jezebel is quartered. That’s how much she p~~~ed everybody off.
When a woman p~~~es off a population that’s what happens.
"Life is the future, not the past." Wizard's 7th rule, Terry Goodkind
Oh yeah, and King David had a problem with women. Because of his behavior he threw Israel into civil war. He had a bunch of wives, a harem, but he wasn’t satisfied when he saw his best friend’s wife naked taking a bath. She was pretty slutty too, not guarding her beauty but exposing it to King David and sleeping with him. She’s a little slut.
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