….Help me

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

You have been given a lot of good advice in this thread but this one stood out to me as something I have been thinking of recently.

Anonymous wrote:

I would suggest, work on yourself, for sure, but not for women, but for you.

I was reading a book and the author was talking about seeing people and noticing the way they carried themselves. He was talking about Masons in this case and the attitude he says that he sees is summed up as “I am not done with me yet.” It is a very fundamental difference to be improving yourself just for yourself instead of caring about what anyone else says and wants.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[JjParticipant 178]

What’s up dude : )

Let me start by saying f~~~ MGTOW. Honestly f~~~ it. I use the term “Path Finder” or “Wild Stallion”; but by definition I could and would be called a “MGTOW”.

Why am I saying f~~~ MGTOW? Because you are only putting on a bandaid by desperately trying to create an identity in order to feel validation… I would advise against this my friend and instead focus more on being an individual ;  )

Can a virgin be a “MGTOW”??? Hell yea dude come join the party and stop wasting your trying to “belong” to a group and say F~~~ IT! I’m an individual and what matters to me is being my best self.

So here’s the deal; if you meet a girl, have sex with her, have your self image destroyed, then what? Really; all this stress over wanting to feel accepted, to experience the mystery of sex and women… so mysterious…. would you like me to dispelled this illusion?? Just read the many post on this forum and you’ll see the horrors of “casual dating”; it’s not this colossal, godly thing you making it out to be. Sigh..

There is nothing wrong with you dude, this culture is sick; it’s eat or be eaten and it seems like you need a break from feeling sorry for yourself.

Buy a prostitute  ; ) you’ll see sex is not all it’s cracked up to be.

[JjParticipant 178]

Also not to Moderators. This “story” presented sounds fishy.. pre planned, it’s really looks like a feminist is recreating a Elliot Rodgers Character to troll this site. Shurgs; I look for motive (what’s my motive? ; ) depends)

[BDParticipant 1146]

Great posts by the KeyMaster,

You’re 23, 23 is the age you should be aggressively chasing your dreams, travelling the world, getting some kind of career on track, and living for yourself. Don’t stress that you haven’t had a dream killer enter your life, celebrate, because the world is in the palm of your hand, go enjoy it! Don’t worry, as soon as any woman sees you having fun, she will instantly be attracted to you because she will want to ruin it, ignore her and continue on….

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;”>“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.  </span>

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Gambit1015Participant 23]

I assure you I am not a feminist or a troll and I am certainly not an Elliot Rodger character haha. I understand everyone’s suspicion but whether or not you believe me I still must thank you all. You guys are pointing me in the right direction and I will begin my journey. I know now that if I need help I can always come here without fear of being judged by others. My quest begins.

 

Eye Have You

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

That subreddit is a s~~~hole and is openly hostile to MGTOW. Stick to YouTube videos. Durden, your post has been noted.

That site contains a large amount of links about the nature of women and about improving yourself. Just because someone swallows the red pill and did not become MGTOW does not make them horrible. The important thing is guys get the red pill and decide what they want to do with their life with full knowledge of how the world works. I found it a great resource for swallowing the pill and it helped me decide to become MGTOW.  The articles and blogs attached were priceless. The important thing is he finds material and decides what he wishes to do.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[xgreenlanternoxParticipant 253]

iamblichus wrote:

I’m married in my mid-30’s and I am basically my wife’s bitch. But really, do you work out? Do you take care of your appearance? Start with that. I met my wife when I was the fittest in my life and have quickly gone downhill, and due to kids etc. can’t take care of myself the way I like. But I would start there. You’re 23, you should be able to move f~~~ing mountains. Get some endorphins pumping. At the very least you’ll feel better. I don’t see why young dudes who have no commitments can’t at the very least be in shape. Then the pussy will fling itself at you, at least something. At the very least you’ll feel better and be confident. Learn to wake up early and sleep little Hire an escort if you can. Get that virgin s~~~ out of the way. Be careful with this and don’t be stupid. Do your research. No shame in paying as you gotta pay something to get access to a woman, at least in time and effort, but probably money as well. Then maybe once you’ve accumulated some confidence you can try to pick up women, but don’t put the pussy on the pedestal. Get what you need and get the f~~~ out. Love fades, they will manipulate you, and you’ll end up like me.

Yea… First off, if you are that dead-set on picking up women, the last thing I would trust is the excerpt of “broscience” as your guide. His exact quote –  “I am basically my wife’s bitch” – speaks for itself in the kind of women that this method attracts, which are plastic females who are more superficial than you could ever imagine possible. You don’t want them anyway because they have been used up by every guy in a 5 mile radius that shoves steroids up his ass.

The best advice I have ever seen is found within these forums and listen to guys like KeyMaster closely, they know whats up!

[JjParticipant 178]

Gambit1015 wrote:

I assure you I am not a feminist or a troll and I am certainly not an Elliot Rodger character haha. I understand everyone’s suspicion but whether or not you believe me I still must thank you all. You guys are pointing me in the right direction and I will begin my journey. I know now that if I need help I can always come here without fear of being judged by others. My quest begins.

; ) I’ll take your word for it. It’s nice to meet you, I’m Josh. I do alot of Co opt trolling on feminist sites, there are a few women who make fake accounts and come on this site in order to discredit MGTOW.com and I’m attempting to track one of em lol.

[GrotesqueRogueParticipant 116]

Just relax, man. You have plenty of time. Watch Bar bar, Spetznaz and Sturdask. Read the threads. Read the books presented here.

Take your time and don’t worry. Everything will make sense and be different.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

I’ve read through this, and I’m going to say something I dont think I’ve read in this thread before and its to do with how you feel yourself and related to what KeyMaster has been saying.

You are allowing them to make you feel this way. You are letting them make you feel worthless. One of my strongest beliefs is that the day you allow another to dictate how you should feel is the day you let someone else control you.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[DarkDagoParticipant 180]

Hi there i don,t know if you,ll get to read this one i,m putting here i,m 34 i,m in the same boat as you are woman don,t
hit on me and never have any come on to me ether and i still get down on it but i have or so been on the other end of
things did have a woman and been unhappy becuse of what i did not know things like i rushed thinking it would never
come agein your NOT a loser get out find things that you like doing what make you happy go get new hoppys and use them
to meet new peple i know it,s hard but you,ll get there sorry if you can,t make sence and the spilling is bad
if you need to chat send me e-mail davidjamesbain1981@gmail.com i have had to ask about things on there there is
notting worrg with asking for help tips 1 never rush anything take your time 2 if you do find someone wait about
1 year before you fall for them some woman can,t hold a good personality for that long thay can hold on to it
for about 6 months give or take any ways i hope things get better for you.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Welcome to MGTOW Gambit,

Like everyone else here, I can only speak from my own experience, and from what I’ve learned from the experience of others.  I’m 48 years old, which means that when I was your age, you weren’t born yet.  But women haven’t changed that much since then.  Their behavior may be more openly parasitic and entitled than it was, but the themes that drive it are the same.  When I was your age, I was in very similar circumstances as you re: women.  I was skinny kid, no money, no flashy car… basically nothing for them to take from me.  My experience with women at the time had my head about where yours is.  I assumed there was something wrong with me and that whatever it was, that it was so bad, it wasn’t even going to be worth even attempting to fix.  The best effort I ever made to be nice to women usually resulted in me being friend zoned.  So, I pretty much gave up making any effort.  I wasn’t doing what you’re doing here anymore.  You’re still trying to find the answer.  I wasn’t.  I just gave up.

Not trying to figure out and fix whatever it was women thought was wrong with me freed up some time and effort and energy.  It freed up a LOT of it because I over some years, I had gradually committed more and more time and effort to this until it had become a lot.  Having it all back all at once, I started to look for some worthwhile thing I could spend that time and energy on.  The only thing I had really been any good at to that point was science.  And the most worthwhile science thing I could think of was medicine.

When I changed my college major to pre-med’, I remember the faculty advisor saying to me that I shouldn’t plan on having much of a social life for about 10 years.  I remember thinking, “So?  I don’t have much of a social life now… This will be no great loss…”.  I signed the form to change my major.  Just as he’d promised, I got very busy for about 10 years.  During that time, I lived in small, cheap student housing in neighborhoods where salesman didn’t knock on the doors.

When about 10 years had gone by, I got out of training, got a real job and got a real house.  I also got MD behind me name and some money in the bank. At about the same time that all those women who previously friend zoned me started to re-connect with me and show some sudden newly discovered romantic interest, I noticed that salesmen started showing up at my door… trying to sell me all sorts of crap, or to recruit me to something or to ask me for a donation to something.  They were not there because they cared about me, or to improve my life.  They were there to get something from me to improve their own.

This is equally true for the women, and the salesmen.

The point is that there is nothing wrong with you.  But, women are not ever going to love you.  There’s nothing wrong with any of us here, but women are not going to love any of us either.  If you want women to (appear to) show some interest in you, go out and acquire something they want and put it on display in such a way as to make it appear that they can succeed in taking it from you.  Women may appear to show some interest in you, but that’s a practiced illusion.  It’s what they can take from you that really interests them most.

For me, I used a talent for science, and a lot of redirected time and effort and energy to get into position where I can do something really useful and valuable to a lot of very sick people.  Part of the result is that I’ve saved enough lives to fill a theater.  But neither women or salesman care anything at all about that.  However, that result of having made that investment in myself came with some money, a house and some social status.  And both women and salesman are very interested in taking as much of that from me as they possibly can.  They both got interested immediately after it become clear that I had something to take.

When those same women who had friend zoned me started to show some interest, it felt good for about 3 or 4 seconds.  That’s about how long it took me to recognize that they were only there to take something.  It was never about me, and it’s not about you either.  It’s only about the wallet, or the house, or the title or the kids or something else that we are connected to that they are interested in taking.

So, my advice is that if you want women to show interest in you, go out and find something worthwhile that you like and are good at, and re-direct all that time, energy and effort into it.  If science is not your thing, you don’t need to go into medicine.  Go to the gym and work as hard as you can and get the chiseled body, or get an education, start a business and make some money, learn some foreign languages, get into some music or some other art you have a talent for… anything at all.  Whatever you choose, just make sure it’s something that YOU enjoy, and make your maximum investment of effort into it.  But this is only the first part of my advice.

When that effort starts to return to you some money, status, reputation, body, house, ability, business… (whatever), you will likely find that women will show up and suddenly appear to be interested in you.  And if you are fool enough to believe that their interest has anything at all to do with you, then they will likely succeed in taking it from you.  Marriage is not the only way, but it is probably the most common and is practiced on an industrial scale.  If you allow it, they will take from you everything you have.

And then they will go, and you will be without what you’ve earned, and without any attention from women (again).  And if you don’t believe what you are reading here, then you will once again assume that there is something wrong with you.  So, the second part of my advice is: after you have invested all your time and effort and energy in yourself doing something you enjoy, and are reaping the return on that investment, KEEP IT!

Invest in yourself, reap the returns, and keep them.  When women show interest, see that for what it really is, tighten your grip on those things you earned, and let them wonder what it is that is wrong with them that made them unable to take those things from you.  If anyone is going to go without something they want on the premise that there is something wrong with them, it may as well be the people who were least willing to produce anything for themselves, or for anyone else.  That’s my experience, and that’s my advice.

One last thing:  if the idea of living this way seems selfish, compare it to the idea of a woman pretending to care about someone in order to use a set of unfairly rigged legal and cultural institutions in order take as much as she possibly can of all the things she needs from someone she will always consider as disposable and that she never lifted a finger to earn for herself… all the while demanding to be respected as an ‘equal’.

 

 

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

<p style=”text-align: left;”>The women that rejected you helped avoid your misery. You should be thankful. Do what you want.</p>

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I’m going to tell you a story about David Choe, you probably heard of him.  He did have two girlfriends when he was in highs chool for a short duration.  Most of his life growing up he couldn’t get girls.  It’s funny when women found out David Choe was worth hundred of millions of dollars they all wanted to date him.  He said the best revenge is success.  He said these stupid c~~~s wouldn’t even give him the time of day during his high school years yet had the nerve to call him after he was on the news of his facebook stocks.

 

Just look at it this way the same women might want to date you when you’re in your 30’s to 40’s, but you can choose to not to date them or give them time of day.   You can instead date some hot young woman in her early 20’s and this will p~~~ off all the women who rejected you in the past.

 

I was like you I didn’t have a girlfriend until my 30’s.  There was one girl was interested in me however I just couldn’t trust women however in my 30’s I just naturally was be able to talk to women.  Eventually a boat loads of women wanted to date me after a few years when I started working out.  Frankly I lost interest in dating considering the fact many women were willing to cheat on their boyfriend or hubby.

 

What I’m saying your day is coming but don’t expect it.  I’m in my late 40’s and I could careless about getting women, it’s not my goal.  I don’t need to compare myself with other men, I surely don’t need to validation.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

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